So it's saturday. I log on to play and immediatly notice the lack of players. It's the end of the first month (trial month). Where has everyone gone? I play on order side on a server that at the time I first started playing on it was a high/full(50). Now it's low/med?

Wheres the open RvR? All anyone ever does is scenarios and quests.

My solution: remove scenarios all together so that the only form of PvP is open world. Sorry to say it but the longer scenarios remains in the game the more players will be quitting.

Ive become very fearful and after waiting to play this game for two years it's very disheartening to see the game die to something as simple as scenarios.

Any words of encouragement from anyone?

personally i love the game and i think ( and hope) that the game will be just fine.  i play on ironfist and it was pretty busy today with ppl taking keeps and all.  hopefully the numbers will pick up around the holiday season and when they get those two classes put in

 if scenarios are really as bad as you think, why do you think it is that they're so popular that everyone is playing them? And why would the game be dying when it lets people do what they want to do? At tier 4 of course there's less interest in scenarios, as people want the Renown and gear from open RvR, rather than just get quick XP, and that's where you'll be spending 99% of your play time anyway. So I wouldn't worry too much if I were you. IMO it's a lot better to have options rather than being forced to solo quest all the way to max level like in other games.

I agree open RvR is more fun. On my server there's open RvR going on every night, though. Out of interest, what's the population on your server? At what times do you play?

just give the peeps time to buy the next time card...like me I wont be able to go to the store for another 3-4 days ...oh noes end of the world...woa cmon!

Originally posted by Ixnatifual

 if scenarios are really as bad as you think, why do you think it is that they're so popular that everyone is playing them? And why would the game be dying when it lets people do what they want to do?

I agree open RvR is more fun. On my server there's open RvR going on every night, though. Out of interest, what's the population on your server? At what times do you play?

Well, originally I played on a low pop server when the game released (wurtbad) and decided to reroll on a higher pop server (azazel(order)). When I first rolled on this server the population on..say a weekend like today...was high/full and sometimes had a que time to log in for order side. Usually que times have been instant like the second I que up something pops. Today I log in and it's almost a 5-10 min que. I go to my map and look at the effort and nothing is going on except one warband in badlands with around 20 or so ppl attacking a keep. I play primetime hours.

Concerning scenarios. The point of this game is open rvr, not scenarios. I think the game is going to die due to scenarios because they will only last so long before people get bored of it and quit.

Originally posted by Dynamo112

So it's saturday. I log on to play and immediatly notice the lack of players. It's the end of the first month (trial month). Where has everyone gone? I play on order side on a server that at the time I first started playing on it was a high/full(50). Now it's low/med?

Wheres the open RvR? All anyone ever does is scenarios and quests.

My solution: remove scenarios all together so that the only form of PvP is open world. Sorry to say it but the longer scenarios remains in the game the more players will be quitting.

Ive become very fearful and after waiting to play this game for two years it's very disheartening to see the game die to something as simple as scenarios.

Any words of encouragement from anyone?

Just curious what server are you on ?  My server has held steady at med/med -- slightly over half are med/med or better, the rest are low/,low -- save for a few low/med.  With the trial over I think server pop is doing well enough -- If they didnt open too many servers there would be no server issues at this time.  But still, more then half at med/med is good for the first month, end of the trial.
 

Or maybe people just prefer the scenario play to open RVR? Just because one style is your preference doesn't mean it should be pushed on everyone else (by removing the style the numbers seem to support). I've personally never been a huge fan of the open RVR and prefer scenarios and quests (both public and private) and it seems (judging by how quickly I can cycle through scenarios) that many others feel at least similarly to how I do.

It seems to me that, at this point, the game would be better served by removing open RVR and further implementing scenario play, if you want to push the concept that is going to keep the greater number of players active. Of course, that won't happen because the lore of the world is based around the open RVR concept, but the raw numbers make that a much more reasonable option than pulling all the scenarios.

And if you think people are going to quit because they get bored of scenarios, I'd have to begrudgingly point to WoW and their Battlegrounds system. I played WoW for a couple of months and never really got into the game, but it's hard to deny the fact that Battlegrounds are one of the main things that keeps that game so active.

So, if you want some words of encouragement, mine would be these: get involved in scenario-based play, it's quite a lot of fun and the wide variety of battle arenas means you're almost sure to find at least one or two you really enjoy playing on in each tier.

Originally posted by Dynamo112

Concerning scenarios. The point of this game is open rvr, not scenarios. I think the game is going to die due to scenarios because they will only last so long before people get bored of it and quit.

 And the Arena will be the death of WoW... oh wait.

I can only truly gage the retention by what I see, and the guild I am in started with about 80 players when the game launched and has 120 now, and we did that without open recruitment.  So my experience makes it hard for me to see any substance in the OP's observation.

Well, right now, 6:00pm on a saturday and half the servers are on low while the rest are still on medium. I logged into my servers of Skull Throne, Phoenix Throne and Azazel and there's still plenty of people running around, short queues for scenarios..

Originally posted by NightGod473

 

And if you think people are going to quit because they get bored of scenarios, I'd have to begrudgingly point to WoW and their Battlegrounds system. I played WoW for a couple of months and never really got into the game, but it's hard to deny the fact that Battlegrounds are one of the main things that keeps that game so active.

 

Exactly. And if WAR Is going to be centered around this kind of PvP then why play it at all? Why switch from WoW to WAR to do this kind of PvP? Why when you have this beefed up character you've been working on for years would you switch to a new game to do the samething all over again? People are quitting because they dont want the same with a different look.

Ive waited to play this game to do open RvR not scenarios. If i wanted to do that kind of PvP id have stuck with WoW.

Originally posted by Dynamo112

So it's saturday. I log on to play and immediatly notice the lack of players. It's the end of the first month (trial month). Where has everyone gone? I play on order side on a server that at the time I first started playing on it was a high/full(50). Now it's low/med?

Wheres the open RvR? All anyone ever does is scenarios and quests.

My solution: remove scenarios all together so that the only form of PvP is open world. Sorry to say it but the longer scenarios remains in the game the more players will be quitting.

Ive become very fearful and after waiting to play this game for two years it's very disheartening to see the game die to something as simple as scenarios.

Any words of encouragement from anyone?

Playing on KARAK EIGHT PEAKS EU server. Infact population has increased even more. However sometimes i wish that less people were playing on this server. Its hard to take two steps in Avelorn warcamp without lagging because its so jam packed with peole.

What is it with the doomsayers on this forum? Jesus, give the thing a chance, it's only been out for a month and already we have tools like the OP predicting imminent demise.

You know what it is with WAR - people go into it expecting it to be the same as the normal MMO experience, all overland adventuring and quests and levelling up and all....then they discover that it's not and so they're out of their comfort zone and they quit. Some of them end up on here, railing against the game simply because it wasn't what they expected.

If you go into with an open mind, don't expect it to be anything it's not and just play it for what it is, you'll have a great time. This game is different to all the other MMOs out there and we should be welcoming this kind of innovationa and encouraging it, this is what the future of MMOs is all about.

If you want a game to criticise, just take your pick from some of the absolutely shameful shite that's listed to the left of this post.....

Hard to tell. I've seen some noticeable overall pop decrease on most of the EU servers I play, but I'll wait to see how things are next week.

Loss of players is inevitable in todays market.  The trick is keeping enough subs in order to sustain the development and overheads.

I'm here dude! I'm wasted and I had a pretty normal restaurant night, but I'm here!

Kill you (ahem: see you) tomorroww

i ve noticed the server i m on dropped from high to medium which is nothing unexpected . as i ve said in these forums it should be given a free trial and quick . it will be a mistake not to offer one when the game is this good . espeacially when warcraft is about to launch an expansion . i ve spoken to a lot of people in wow and a lot of players would like to give it a try . but they wont buy it untill theres a free trial for two very good reasons 1/ a number of mmos have been released far too early 2/ they want to know if thier pc can run it well .

this is not the begining of the end . this is the end of the begining .

Originally posted by Ixnatifual

 if scenarios are really as bad as you think, why do you think it is that they're so popular that everyone is playing them?

No no. I think your not understanding what hes saying.. Hes right by the way. It will be a huge problem. People will be more indulged in scenarios and quests because thats the way people level fast. And the problem has already shown... most of the time the rvr pvp with the keeps is just a teeter toter.. that goes back and forth...

one huge group comes and annialates the keep while the other side, having only a  small group of people, retreats, then they happen to have enough, the other side loses people becuase of rl stuff or leveling and what have you... and they retreat.. and that other side coems and annialtes the keep.

I really havent seen a good hour fight between two huge massive forces... it never happens like that.. and i blive its due to scenarios... but that really isnt the only issue.. the lands do seem more dead becuase people go into scenarios, but that isnt the only contributing factor.. the chat system is bad too... it really seems somtims on some servers that even say medium that there isnt many around when you try and form a group.

Hes right man.. hes right... you just have to look a bit closer and read between the lines... he didnt say scenarios are nt nejoyable.. he said.. they are going to be bad in the long run.. and i agree..

Originally posted by Dynamo112

Originally posted by NightGod473

 

And if you think people are going to quit because they get bored of scenarios, I'd have to begrudgingly point to WoW and their Battlegrounds system. I played WoW for a couple of months and never really got into the game, but it's hard to deny the fact that Battlegrounds are one of the main things that keeps that game so active.

 

 

Exactly. And if WAR Is going to be centered around this kind of PvP then why play it at all? Why switch from WoW to WAR to do this kind of PvP? Why when you have this beefed up character you've been working on for years would you switch to a new game to do the samething all over again? People are quitting because they dont want the same with a different look.

Ive waited to play this game to do open RvR not scenarios. If i wanted to do that kind of PvP id have stuck with WoW.

here is why:
 

1: WAR is first and foremost a pvp game.  it has open world rvr, scenarios, Kepp and castle sieges.  wow  has BGs and the laughable arenas and weak world pvp.  wow is also first and foremost a pve game with pvp being a afterthought.

2: wow as of right now, has the same exact classes for its 2 factions.  In pvp fights this is boring, lame, it is a joke.  paladin v paladin fights in wow was the end for me.

3: WAR has more classes and diverse classes.  the two opposing factions dont have the exact same classes to choose from.

4:  In WAR the bad guys really are bad guys.  In fact they epitomize evil.  In wow there are no bad guys, the horde according to Blizz are jsut "misunderstood."  ummm...ok, whatever they say.

Also please refrain from the same with a different look line.  WAR is a PvP game with solid PvE and wow is a PvE raid/faction grindfest with weak, sorry excuse pvp thrown in at the end.  I played wow I am playing WAR, they are not as similar as you might think and most of the similarities Blizzard stole from games workshop years and years ago.  this is coming from someone who started playing Blizzard games in 1995.

I think that's right, WAR is just about as far from the WoW experience as you can get...