Originally posted by Alindale

WoW died for me when they announced this expansion.  Raid grind till you get the top gear so you can start all over again with the new expansion.  What bothered me most was knowing that many players will not get to see all of the end game content of the last expansion before the next one comes out.  Only the upper guilds will have gotten to see the content, rest would have to wait till they could get the gear in future instances and go back to the older ones.  Same happened for Naxx when BC came out.

oh my lootwhore lost... starting again is one of best thing.. i am raider.. or once was.. pre tbc i saw all.. in tbc i saw half.. another half after 3.0.2 which enable content to be seen by everyone who gets 25 ppl

Originally posted by WargoleM

no

Answer is that simple, people that like wow will still like it, no other game is as polished and thats good alot of people from other mmos want the wow community to stick with wow.

Unfortunatly TOR might bring a few people from wow. still WoW will be a big hit with Wotlk dont u worry little dudes

wow community > war worst gaming community ever , anyday in a year,

Originally posted by Alex_123

I was checking up on a blog that I recently started to follow and saw an article the author posted on the upcoming World of Warcraft expansion. (Wrath of the Lich King) The blog can be found here: rpgfeed.blogspot.com

In the blog he brings up a few key points that will pretty much spell the end of WoW for me. For those too lazy to read it, I will summarize.

First he goes on to say that the game has had a lack of quality content as of late, and is pretty much ruining the WoW lore by killing off key figures. He also gives some examples.

He then goes on to explain how the dev team seems to be loosing direction since the new Inscription profession is a re-tooled Enchanting, and gives an example of how they could have come up with a better profession, the example being a pretty damn cool one.

Finally he mentions the fact that a large influx of Death Knights are going to hit the game as soon as the expansion comes out, and pretty much overwhelm the population.

I don't really do his article justice, but those are some of the key points.
What do you guys think? We will be killing Arthas in WotLK. Who else is after that? I agree with him 100% that I will be done with Warcraft after I finally see Arthas die. Oh well, I guess it's for the best. Maybe I can get back to my real life.
 

Well personally and about 30 other Ex-WoW players wont be coming back for this expansion for one reason and thats because we dont like starting the game over once every 2 years. We dont enjoy having our gear we worked for for a good year and half to be complettly useless in 1 lvl....

Originally posted by Kailash

Originally posted by Alex_123

I was checking up on a blog that I recently started to follow and saw an article the author posted on the upcoming World of Warcraft expansion. (Wrath of the Lich King) The blog can be found here: rpgfeed.blogspot.com

In the blog he brings up a few key points that will pretty much spell the end of WoW for me. For those too lazy to read it, I will summarize.

First he goes on to say that the game has had a lack of quality content as of late, and is pretty much ruining the WoW lore by killing off key figures. He also gives some examples.

He then goes on to explain how the dev team seems to be loosing direction since the new Inscription profession is a re-tooled Enchanting, and gives an example of how they could have come up with a better profession, the example being a pretty damn cool one.

Finally he mentions the fact that a large influx of Death Knights are going to hit the game as soon as the expansion comes out, and pretty much overwhelm the population.

I don't really do his article justice, but those are some of the key points.
What do you guys think? We will be killing Arthas in WotLK. Who else is after that? I agree with him 100% that I will be done with Warcraft after I finally see Arthas die. Oh well, I guess it's for the best. Maybe I can get back to my real life.
 

 

Well personally and about 30 other Ex-WoW players wont be coming back for this expansion for one reason and thats because we dont like starting the game over once every 2 years. We dont enjoy having our gear we worked for for a good year and half to be complettly useless in 1 lvl....

This is such a non argument.

Originally posted by Kailash

Well personally and about 30 other Ex-WoW players wont be coming back for this expansion for one reason and thats because we dont like starting the game over once every 2 years. We dont enjoy having our gear we worked for for a good year and half to be complettly useless in 1 lvl....

I don't grind my butt off in Raids and Arenas so I don't have this problem. Why does everyone who plays WoW feel the only point of the game is to get the best gear/loot. I couldn't care less what gear I have as long as I'm having fun, which I am.

Originally posted by Kailash

Originally posted by Alex_123

I was checking up on a blog that I recently started to follow and saw an article the author posted on the upcoming World of Warcraft expansion. (Wrath of the Lich King) The blog can be found here: rpgfeed.blogspot.com

In the blog he brings up a few key points that will pretty much spell the end of WoW for me. For those too lazy to read it, I will summarize.

First he goes on to say that the game has had a lack of quality content as of late, and is pretty much ruining the WoW lore by killing off key figures. He also gives some examples.

He then goes on to explain how the dev team seems to be loosing direction since the new Inscription profession is a re-tooled Enchanting, and gives an example of how they could have come up with a better profession, the example being a pretty damn cool one.

Finally he mentions the fact that a large influx of Death Knights are going to hit the game as soon as the expansion comes out, and pretty much overwhelm the population.

I don't really do his article justice, but those are some of the key points.
What do you guys think? We will be killing Arthas in WotLK. Who else is after that? I agree with him 100% that I will be done with Warcraft after I finally see Arthas die. Oh well, I guess it's for the best. Maybe I can get back to my real life.
 

 

Well personally and about 30 other Ex-WoW players wont be coming back for this expansion for one reason and thats because we dont like starting the game over once every 2 years. We dont enjoy having our gear we worked for for a good year and half to be complettly useless in 1 lvl....

Not that it makes a difference to you, but the gear reset is not huge, Im in T4 gear and lvl 73 in beta and have only replaced a ring, trinket and polearm.  And yes ive been running dungeons and group quests.

Others in T5 gear are not replacing gear till the high 70's.

But WoW has always been this way, you increase in lvl you need higher lvl armour, it always been this way.

I'm a WoW "veteran" myself...although burned out for quite sometime now...

The only game I currently know of, that's comming out and could possibly be a WoW-killer is Darkfall; people just need a new dimension in MMO games, the level-based, grinding approach is aged...

I'm sorry, but in no way will Darkfall be a "wow killer".

Not that I'm saying it will be a bad game or anything, but you got to remember what kind of game WoW is, and what kind of game Darkfall is looking to be.

For one, Darkfall is looking a lot like a Niche game. Only a small minority of players will really get it and get into it.

Another problem with Darkfall is it is basically only heard of in the MMO community.

Maybe a few in the general gaming community, but past that, it's "whats Darkfall?".

While I am sure Darkfall will have it's own playerbase, it won't kill wow.

Of course that could be sarcasm.

In that case, damn you.

I won't disagree with the facts you state...as things stand right now.

Darkfall appears to have the same game approach WoW has - in terms of low system requirements, user-friendliness, etc-, the main difference being it is set in a FFA PvP, Full Loot environment.

Once the player balance has been established, however, and the majority of the world is relatively peaceful, I think that two key elements will attract new people like a magnet: the FPS approach to combat (everyone's gonna love that), and the huge game world.

Originally posted by Galadourn

I won't disagree with the facts you state...as things stand right now.

 

Darkfall appears to have the same game approach WoW has - in terms of low system requirements, user-friendliness, etc-, the main difference being it is set in a FFA PvP, Full Loot environment.

Once the player balance has been established, however, and the majority of the world is relatively peaceful, I think that two key elements will attract new people like a magnet: the FPS approach to combat (everyone's gonna love that), and the huge game world.

 

You mean, it will attract you as a magnet, right?

Originally posted by Alex_123

I was checking up on a blog that I recently started to follow and saw an article the author posted on the upcoming World of Warcraft expansion. (Wrath of the Lich King) The blog can be found here: rpgfeed.blogspot.com

In the blog he brings up a few key points that will pretty much spell the end of WoW for me. For those too lazy to read it, I will summarize.

First he goes on to say that the game has had a lack of quality content as of late, and is pretty much ruining the WoW lore by killing off key figures. He also gives some examples.

He then goes on to explain how the dev team seems to be loosing direction since the new Inscription profession is a re-tooled Enchanting, and gives an example of how they could have come up with a better profession, the example being a pretty damn cool one.

Finally he mentions the fact that a large influx of Death Knights are going to hit the game as soon as the expansion comes out, and pretty much overwhelm the population.

I don't really do his article justice, but those are some of the key points.
What do you guys think? We will be killing Arthas in WotLK. Who else is after that? I agree with him 100% that I will be done with Warcraft after I finally see Arthas die. Oh well, I guess it's for the best. Maybe I can get back to my real life.
 

All lies WOW FOREVER.

Look at illidian for the first tiem in a month they could raid last night and most thing blizzard is a god to provid them with that 1 day of play time in the last month.

Too bad killing aree peke was funny stuff.

Originally posted by SonofSeth

You mean, it will attract you as a magnet, right?

I'm already attracted

Originally posted by Alex_123

I was checking up on a blog that I recently started to follow and saw an article the author posted on the upcoming World of Warcraft expansion. (Wrath of the Lich King) The blog can be found here: rpgfeed.blogspot.com

In the blog he brings up a few key points that will pretty much spell the end of WoW for me. For those too lazy to read it, I will summarize.

First he goes on to say that the game has had a lack of quality content as of late, and is pretty much ruining the WoW lore by killing off key figures. He also gives some examples.

He then goes on to explain how the dev team seems to be loosing direction since the new Inscription profession is a re-tooled Enchanting, and gives an example of how they could have come up with a better profession, the example being a pretty damn cool one.

Finally he mentions the fact that a large influx of Death Knights are going to hit the game as soon as the expansion comes out, and pretty much overwhelm the population.

I don't really do his article justice, but those are some of the key points.
What do you guys think? We will be killing Arthas in WotLK. Who else is after that? I agree with him 100% that I will be done with Warcraft after I finally see Arthas die. Oh well, I guess it's for the best. Maybe I can get back to my real life.
 

I disagree with this on alot of diffrent levels. Key figures are dieing off but you have to think with the coming of Warcraft 4 (which was announced at blizzcon) alot of new elements will be gatherd from this and brough over to WoW.

Secondly, I rather like inscription. We have gear enchants, what is the problem with getting spell enchants? Just because it seems re-tooled does not make it a bad idea. This opens up more options and actually makes some useless talents now worthwhile.

And finally, I agree with alot of death knight population. But we have to take into consideration that you have to be 55+.  Yes 55 is easy to get, but not everybody has the time to play. And while we are on the Dk topic, people are overrating it. Just because there will be a new class does not mean everybody will quit everything else. I plan to play my main aswell as DK. And alot of people I know actually dont plan to play DK. But all this really cant be accurate till nov 13, now can it?

Originally posted by Silas26

Originally posted by SonofSeth

Originally posted by Silas26

Originally posted by faefrost

Originally posted by gentlecasca

I've had a chance to play WotLK's Beta and I will tell you flat-out that WoW's numbers are only going to skyrocket.

They have completely revamped their design philosophy and have actually mapped out the way this expansion will go.  The new continent is absolutely beautiful and every inch of it screams 'WE'RE SORRY FOR ALL OF THE HIGH FANTASY IN OUTLANDS, PLEASE FORGIVE US!'.

Going back to their D2 roots, Blizzard will tell the story of this expansion in 3 acts, culminating with an encounter at Icecrown Citadel against the dread Lich King.  This means that we KNOW who the guy we're after is and won't have a surprise appearance by Kil'jaeden sprung on us all of a sudden...Or another famous lore character.

It's easily one of the coolest things I've ever seen done with an expansion and I won't be surprised if nothing can stop the Blizzard juggernaut save for Blizzard themselves.

One last sidenote; Blizzard has said that they will release a sort of XBox-like Achievement system that will keep track of player achievements across Starcraft II, Diablo III, and WoW...There's encouragement for playing all 3 games right there and I can assure you that people will be playing all 3; not quitting one for the other.

 

Agreed. The blogger the OP referenced obviously has no idea what is actually in the X-pac that he is proclaiming to be the death of WoW.

Wrath is unbelievably respectful to lore, and advances it as a coherrant story. New tech is used to enhance this entire experience. The PvE game in Wrath is incredible. The PvP game is tweaked and strengthened, with Lake Wintergrasp being the best of it (and the emphassis on Arenas being the worst).

Overall Wrath will bring back tons of old players, if just to see some of teh stories play out in ways that have never been done before.

 

So you are going to pass another year doing the exactly same stuff you have been since you started wow? is any of it really worth passing all the time on, I mean, the nice graphics and the Lore, is it worth it? I though that no.

 

If  only purpose of MMORPGs was to usher in new ways in which am indivdual can interact with virtual enviroments, WoW would be dead years ago, since it isn't, people play it to have fun while bashing in some heads either with friends or with strangers.

It's only same as you make it. If you really try hard enough to miss stuff that is new, you can be 100% right, I just don't know why you would do such a thing. Maybe to prove a point?

 

My point is that I played one week with the patch echoes of doom and I just though, it's the same again, from when I got TBC, except I'm more experienced with the game. WotLK = restart from when TBC came out.

didn't most of the gear you had at level 5 get replaced by level 20?
 

Didn't most of the gear you had a level 20 get replaced by level 35?

Didn't most of the gear you had at level 35 get replaced by level 50?

Why does it really matter at the end game, be it level 60, 70 or 80 have to be the end of gear progression?  Is it because some people feel like fools for going after gear?  It is because you want to remain uber? Be honest.  Because gear replacement is what people have been doing since they started the game. So this is an issue a given player might have rather than a game problem.

I personnaly think WOTLK will not have an impact on the popularity of wow. I think it will even increase the popularity. Wow is now a huge game with loooooooots of content and looooots of players. I don't think i gonna return to wow, I'm bussy with other games and with RL, so i'll stay away for atleast another 6 months, so i can see what happens

I haven't red all the posts but i think WotLK will be just fine. They added tons of new stuff, just what you expect from an expansion. It feels like players sometimes forget that it IS and expansion. Not a new game.

And the thing about Arthas dieing and how it "destroys" the lore. As Blizzard have said many times. Arthas wasen't going to be one of the main character in the Warcraft lore, people just happend to like him alot. They still have tons of lore in their backpacks and new stronger guys to interduce, that we will learn to like in time.

Lothar got killed too in Warcraft.....

He was the main character you played through with, at the end you got to see a screen him fighting a desperate battle against the black rock orcs, and dying.

Lothar was a legendary warrior of heroes, yet he died, so will anyone in time, better be in fight.  You get to be in the fight itself here!

The illidan fight was legendary, when Nihilum released their video it was the top for a looooong time and to this day, still is quite a legendary wow video, because they captured it all pretty well, and honestly it was an epic battle, worth a while, illidan died, yes it was with help from 2 other heroes, whom you had been playing with in Warcraft 3: frozen throne.

They aren't the only heroes in the game, you know, have you ever passed through the stormwind entrance? Not to mention many people only talk about the heroes from Warcraft 3, mostly.

Arthas was a big main character, no doubt, he was obviously both pretty strong in both Warcraft 3 and the expansion, with lots of parts to play in with. People won't like him dying, since he was the lead character throughout those two games alone, he was both righteous and became wicked evil, he was quite badass, he betrayed everyone, killing off his own father, he became king of a kingdom of his own, walking dead perhaps but still his own, sorta, he defied The burning legion, he has now EVEN outlived Kil Jaedan! I mean, i didn't expect to see the end of the burning legion, or at least it's current leader, this soon.

We will probably witness some legendary Titans in the future, not to mention perhaps get to dig into Sargeras's past. Maybe he'll even be revived. The warcraft lore is vast, bigger than people seem to know.

Originally posted by Alex_123

I was checking up on a blog that I recently started to follow and saw an article the author posted on the upcoming World of Warcraft expansion. (Wrath of the Lich King) The blog can be found here: rpgfeed.blogspot.com

In the blog he brings up a few key points that will pretty much spell the end of WoW for me. For those too lazy to read it, I will summarize.

First he goes on to say that the game has had a lack of quality content as of late, and is pretty much ruining the WoW lore by killing off key figures. He also gives some examples.

He then goes on to explain how the dev team seems to be loosing direction since the new Inscription profession is a re-tooled Enchanting, and gives an example of how they could have come up with a better profession, the example being a pretty damn cool one.

Finally he mentions the fact that a large influx of Death Knights are going to hit the game as soon as the expansion comes out, and pretty much overwhelm the population.

I don't really do his article justice, but those are some of the key points.
What do you guys think? We will be killing Arthas in WotLK. Who else is after that? I agree with him 100% that I will be done with Warcraft after I finally see Arthas die. Oh well, I guess it's for the best. Maybe I can get back to my real life.
 

I don't believe Lore is that important to most players. They just want to have fun and do it with a bunch of other people around.

WoW's most important selling point is that it runs very well on low end machines. No other MMO does that.

Most MMO's are better games than WoW but they require machines that the average WoW player isn't capable of buying or maintaining. Until a MMO comes out that runs as well as WoW on low end junk pc's WoW's subscription numbers are probably safe.

Originally posted by Z3R01

While I don't play WoW anymore (Tbc killed it for me).

Both my brother and my sister both resubbed for the patch and are totally dissapointed with the patch.

With WotLK I strongly believe that WoW will start to have a steady decline of people playing it since Arthus is supposed to be the be all end all in bosses ( i know there are others but none are as cool as him).

If it wasn't for the 40 to 25 man raid cap decision I would probably still be playing WoW but to be honest the only reason I started playing WoW was to fight Arthus and illidian since I was a big WC rts fan.

Now that these lore bosses will be dead I see a lot of people moving on.

With the lore not being as interesting and the game being on the old side people will start leaving and the game will be too ugly to play graphics wise to catch on with the up and coming new MMO players.

Every MMO goes through this cycle, happened with UO, EQ and DAoC back before WoW.

 

 

And then there's project Hydra.

Originally posted by Grim11 

I don't believe Lore is that important to most players. They just want to have fun and do it with a bunch of other people around.

WoW's most important selling point is that it runs very well on low end machines. No other MMO does that.

Most MMO's are better games than WoW but they require machines that the average WoW player isn't capable of buying or maintaining. Until a MMO comes out that runs as well as WoW on low end junk pc's WoW's subscription numbers are probably safe.

Actually, WoW is the best game of all MMOs. Some are better worlds, some got better PVP, better economy, better social mechanics, better graphics, but every MMO that has something better than WoW is worse in every other area.

WoW might not have best everything, but it's just better enough and has nothing really shitty.