Originally posted by Tarka

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Tarka

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Tarka

The footage shown is the same footage on the official movie on the Darkfall website. Except the one on the DF website is not a camera looking at a screen, its taken from inside the game.

I got to admit though, I had to laugh  when I saw the "magical hovercrafts" that join in the battle at the end of the official trailer.  I mean, c'mon, how silly to they look?

Yes good graphics don't make a good game on their own. But, people are very fickle and superficial. If the game looks like its 5 years old, then that WILL have a big impact on potential sales and subs.

i feel sorry for DF, because it SOUNDS like it could be fun, but when you see the trailers it makes you whince.

The thing that is puzzling me though is, you look at the official trailer and it looks completely CRAP. However, you look at the screenshots on the website and they look at lot better. So which is the truth and which is the "marketing" strategy? I'm puzzled because no one in their right minds would use THAT video to market the game IF they've been able to screencapture images that look 10x better.

So wheres the movie that coincides with the screenshots on the website? Or are they just "staged"?
 

Well that I can answer. The video was ,from what we have been told, done on low/meduim settings. The screenshots aren't done on a special screen shot setting. The actual game once it hits our comps is supposed to look even betterthan the screen shots. Honestly I prefer this approach to the normal Cinematic followed by screen shots taken at a setting you will never play on, just so that once I try the game I feel jipped because it's no where near what was shown. An example of this would be the latest MMO released, War. Cinematic trailer that does not represent what the game will look like or be like in any way shape or form. It's kind of retarded to do that anyways. I mean thats part of the hype people complain about. You hype a game up as much as you can just to get these high expectations from players only to let them down when they play which kills many of your subs. The Devs over at Aventurine seem to want to let the game speak for itself rather than hype it up to the point where it can only let you down.

Well, I can appreciate your point.  Nevertheless, people ARE fickle when it comes to MMO's.  The list of requirements that people are using to judge whether or not they should play an MMO is getting longer each time a new one is released.  Which includes the first impressions they get when they see trailers.  And as people have pointed out, movies and trailers can tell you FAR more about an MMO than screenshots can.

So, if the video shows low res settings, and the screenshots show high rez settings, why don't the devs release the SAME video footage but each video is using different settings?  Then people can compare, they would have the information to hand and the game could then perhaps sell itself better than just showing what looks to be a bloody awful MMO movie shot 5 years ago.

 

And that my friend is the beauty of it. The screen shots aren't even high rez. They have also stated that they want EVERYONE to try the game free before ever spending a dime on it. So all they are doing is letting people know it's there, giving them a taste of it and then let the game speak for itself through a free trial of some sort. Which in my opinion is exactly how it should be done.  So the first impression is fine but they have said this is just a sample and they are willing to let you try it for free before spending any money. I don't see how this is going to be a bad thing at all.  I guess you didn't see the vid of the game being played live at the convention. Which was shot oct 16th 2008 not 5 years ago. The cam doesn't give it justice but those that attended have said it blew away the in game footage vid we have seen so far. So if you can't accept any of that then my advice is to wait till you can try it for yourself, since you will get to free of charge lol.

And if that doesn't work for you then I have to say you may be just another Troll because I and others have more than adaquetly answerd your question in this thread and the other where you post the exact same thing. Besides the whole arguement gets demolished by the simple fact you will get a chance to try the game free of charge before spending money on it so you will get the chance to see exactly what it will be like for yourself on your comp and not just through a vid.

So I try to discuss with you the power of marketing using trailers and you call me a troll?

I fully appreciate that trials can be used to good measure.  But if that trailer on the DF website is so old, then it's hardly going to help market the product now is it?

So, care to provide me with a link to this new video I'm supposed to have missed out on?

numerous links have been given on this forum....though a few were taken off, but you can also take the time to check out the offiicial forums where they are all over.

Originally posted by Tarka

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Tarka

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Tarka

The footage shown is the same footage on the official movie on the Darkfall website. Except the one on the DF website is not a camera looking at a screen, its taken from inside the game.

I got to admit though, I had to laugh  when I saw the "magical hovercrafts" that join in the battle at the end of the official trailer.  I mean, c'mon, how silly to they look?

Yes good graphics don't make a good game on their own. But, people are very fickle and superficial. If the game looks like its 5 years old, then that WILL have a big impact on potential sales and subs.

i feel sorry for DF, because it SOUNDS like it could be fun, but when you see the trailers it makes you whince.

The thing that is puzzling me though is, you look at the official trailer and it looks completely CRAP. However, you look at the screenshots on the website and they look at lot better. So which is the truth and which is the "marketing" strategy? I'm puzzled because no one in their right minds would use THAT video to market the game IF they've been able to screencapture images that look 10x better.

So wheres the movie that coincides with the screenshots on the website? Or are they just "staged"?
 

Well that I can answer. The video was ,from what we have been told, done on low/meduim settings. The screenshots aren't done on a special screen shot setting. The actual game once it hits our comps is supposed to look even betterthan the screen shots. Honestly I prefer this approach to the normal Cinematic followed by screen shots taken at a setting you will never play on, just so that once I try the game I feel jipped because it's no where near what was shown. An example of this would be the latest MMO released, War. Cinematic trailer that does not represent what the game will look like or be like in any way shape or form. It's kind of retarded to do that anyways. I mean thats part of the hype people complain about. You hype a game up as much as you can just to get these high expectations from players only to let them down when they play which kills many of your subs. The Devs over at Aventurine seem to want to let the game speak for itself rather than hype it up to the point where it can only let you down.

Well, I can appreciate your point.  Nevertheless, people ARE fickle when it comes to MMO's.  The list of requirements that people are using to judge whether or not they should play an MMO is getting longer each time a new one is released.  Which includes the first impressions they get when they see trailers.  And as people have pointed out, movies and trailers can tell you FAR more about an MMO than screenshots can.

So, if the video shows low res settings, and the screenshots show high rez settings, why don't the devs release the SAME video footage but each video is using different settings?  Then people can compare, they would have the information to hand and the game could then perhaps sell itself better than just showing what looks to be a bloody awful MMO movie shot 5 years ago.

 

And that my friend is the beauty of it. The screen shots aren't even high rez. They have also stated that they want EVERYONE to try the game free before ever spending a dime on it. So all they are doing is letting people know it's there, giving them a taste of it and then let the game speak for itself through a free trial of some sort. Which in my opinion is exactly how it should be done.  So the first impression is fine but they have said this is just a sample and they are willing to let you try it for free before spending any money. I don't see how this is going to be a bad thing at all.  I guess you didn't see the vid of the game being played live at the convention. Which was shot oct 16th 2008 not 5 years ago. The cam doesn't give it justice but those that attended have said it blew away the in game footage vid we have seen so far. So if you can't accept any of that then my advice is to wait till you can try it for yourself, since you will get to free of charge lol.

And if that doesn't work for you then I have to say you may be just another Troll because I and others have more than adaquetly answerd your question in this thread and the other where you post the exact same thing. Besides the whole arguement gets demolished by the simple fact you will get a chance to try the game free of charge before spending money on it so you will get the chance to see exactly what it will be like for yourself on your comp and not just through a vid.

So I try to discuss with you the power of marketing using trailers and you call me a troll because I question the effectiveness of the trailer on the DF website?  Please, stop being so defensive.

I fully appreciate that trials can be used to good measure.  But if that trailer on the DF website is so old, then it's hardly going to help market the product now is it?

So, care to provide me with a link to this new video I'm supposed to have missed out on?

I said if you can't accept what I and others have said and wait to see for yourself you must be a troll.  I see by your assesment  that I called you a troll you can not accept it. Click my sig it will take you to the official site where you can find the links you need/want if you actualy want them. I am not going to continue with the debate though. The marketing you want apparently is the type of Marketing AoC had which ended up being a bad idea lol.  I personaly like that Aventurine is going this route because this does exactly what advertising/marketing should do. Let people see for themselve's how good or bad the product is. As it is there is no truth in advertising, people seem to accept this and thats fine. I personaly respect those that chose not to go this route and shake my head at those that find it acceptable to leave truth out of advertising.

Anyways if you are truely interested the link in my sig takes you to the DF main site. From there you can find all the info available. Other than that you have to wait and see. Good luck to you though.

Thanks OP.  But whilst you was typing, I think I managed to find another link.

I hope that I found the right one:  http://darkfallworld.com/node/125

I'll be truthful and honest, from what I did see, it doesn't look like much has changed from the trailer.  Apart from shadowing and planetary movements (ooooo).

As for the other stuff mentioned on the conference vid, thats pretty much standard on todays MMO's.  Vanguard allows you to move EVERY part of the GUI around.  AOC has its customisation too and shows group members on the map.

I'm still not seeing anything "revolutionary" yet. Although they DO have different ships with working cannons which is more than Vanguard managed with theirs lol.  As the game is only now reaching Beta, a lot COULD change.  However, that hasn't always been the case with previous MMO's.  In the past what you saw in Beta is what you got.

P.S. Lighten up Gray.  Other people managed to give me advice without making little comments whenever possible.  Maybe you could learn from them.  I just hope that the rest of the DF community ISN'T as touchy about discussing positives and negatives as you are.  Otherwise, it will be in trouble.

Originally posted by Tarka

Thanks OP.  But whilst you was typing, I think I managed to find another link.

I hope that I found the right one:  http://darkfallworld.com/node/125

I'll be truthful and honest, from what I did see, it doesn't look like much has changed from the trailer.  Apart from shadowing and planetary movements (ooooo).

As for the other stuff mentioned on the conference vid, thats pretty much standard on todays MMO's.  Vanguard allows you to move EVERY part of the GUI around.  AOC has its customisation too and shows group members on the map.

I'm still not seeing anything "revolutionary" yet. Although they DO have different ships with working cannons which is more than Vanguard managed with theirs lol.  As the game is only now reaching Beta, a lot COULD change.  However, that hasn't always been the case with previous MMO's.  In the past what you saw in Beta is what you got.

P.S. Lighten up Gray.  Other people managed to give me advice without making little comments whenever possible.  Maybe you could learn from them.  I just hope that the rest of the DF community ISN'T as touchy about discussing positives and negatives as you are.  Otherwise, it will be in trouble.

Well my appologies. It was begining to look like a troll post because you made duplicate posts in different threads. Here we have to deal with trolls a lot and it gets on my nerve's at times.  So again I appologise if I seemed rude. And yes that is the right link, the full 30 minute vid you will have to download at the moment found here      http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4453732 30 minutes of game play footage lol I am still waiting for the download to finish.

Yes, mmorpg.com is FULL of asshat fanboi's and haters alike.  So I can appreciate the fact that you feel the need to defend the game you love so readily.   It takes a mature person to apologise and I respect that.

I try to stay objective in ANY discussion I get involved with, even on mmorpg.com.  Although I'll admit it's hard to discuss things with certain individuals to appear to only want to put games down and refuse to acknowledge that each game has a certain appeal. 

I'll admit that PVP isn't necessarily my "thing" but I do like to keep abreast of up and coming releases in the MMO industry.  I find it fascinating to watch the industry shape and evolve as a whole entity. I truely hope that whilst it may not suit MY own tastes completely, that DF will suit enough players tastes to receive a healthy subscription income.  I say that because many people scream how there needs to be a "sandbox" MMO released.  And so I'm eager to see just how a concept survives in todays market.

Personally, I'm not so sure that one can in an industry that is boldly dominated by MMO's that are more quest driven than sandbox.  But, we'll see....... Holy crap its 5am here!  I'm off to bed.

Originally posted by imbant

It is also nice to see many of the old time vapor ware trolls now making posts that admit DF is real and going to release.  You guys have come a long way, though some are still trying hard not to admit they were wrong.

State of the game on release is now the hot topic, and until beta starts soon no one will really be able to know about that. 

But for now, it is definitely innocent until proven guilty. 

This is exactly why you and your ilk arent good for Darkfall. You and your rabid pals cant stop overdoing it. You guys are condescending, you gloat like youve actually proven something. Funny thing is, since you havent seen the game, and dont know how its really going to be, you are gloating over conjecture.

Ive followed the game for a long time, and the more fans like this I see, the more I want to see it fail, not because I have anything against the game, but because you guys have pushed the envelope so far, someone ought to feed it to you.

You wanna know why there are so many trolls? You guys irritate people to the point of disliking the game because of your narrow mindedness.

P.S. Just to clarify, you arent not superior simply because you froth at the mouth and disrespect anyone with an iota of realistic expectation of what this game will truly be.

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by imbant

It is also nice to see many of the old time vapor ware trolls now making posts that admit DF is real and going to release.  You guys have come a long way, though some are still trying hard not to admit they were wrong.

State of the game on release is now the hot topic, and until beta starts soon no one will really be able to know about that. 

But for now, it is definitely innocent until proven guilty. 

 

This is exactly why you and your ilk arent good for Darkfall. You and your rabid pals cant stop overdoing it. You guys are condescending, you gloat like youve actually proven something. Funny thing is, since you havent seen the game, and dont know how its really going to be, you are gloating over conjecture.

Ive followed the game for a long time, and the more fans like this I see, the more I want to see it fail, not because I have anything against the game, but because you guys have pushed the envelope so far, someone ought to feed it to you.

You wanna know why there are so many trolls? You guys irritate people to the point of disliking the game because of your narrow mindedness.

P.S. Just to clarify, you arent not superior simply because you froth at the mouth and disrespect anyone with an iota of realistic expectation of what this game will truly be.

Congratulations, you just entered the flame war. Here's your flamesuit and trollbat. Good luck.

the 30 minute video, streaming

Why do they keep dangling carrot in front of our heads? They keep coming up with these cinematic videos but won't give us a simple beta? Whats going on here??

Originally posted by Briansho

Why do they keep dangling carrot in front of our heads? They keep coming up with these cinematic videos but won't give us a simple beta? Whats going on here??

wha??

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by imbant

It is also nice to see many of the old time vapor ware trolls now making posts that admit DF is real and going to release.  You guys have come a long way, though some are still trying hard not to admit they were wrong.

State of the game on release is now the hot topic, and until beta starts soon no one will really be able to know about that. 

But for now, it is definitely innocent until proven guilty. 

 

This is exactly why you and your ilk arent good for Darkfall. You and your rabid pals cant stop overdoing it. You guys are condescending, you gloat like youve actually proven something. Funny thing is, since you havent seen the game, and dont know how its really going to be, you are gloating over conjecture.

Ive followed the game for a long time, and the more fans like this I see, the more I want to see it fail, not because I have anything against the game, but because you guys have pushed the envelope so far, someone ought to feed it to you.

You wanna know why there are so many trolls? You guys irritate people to the point of disliking the game because of your narrow mindedness.

P.S. Just to clarify, you arent not superior simply because you froth at the mouth and disrespect anyone with an iota of realistic expectation of what this game will truly be.

Looks like another member of the War community has come to try and tell those that follow DarkFall are inferrior to them and that the community here is the root of all evil.

Sorry but dude these are just video games. There meant for fun and enjoyment. I don't think I or this community is better than any other. I simply believe I will have more fun playing DarkFall than the other MMO's you guys keep telling us are better than DarkFall ever could be. From the feature list and from what I have seen DarkFall looks like something I will enjoy. If you can't accept that well it's not really my problem lol.

I can actualy tell you why there are so many trolls.

1) Some are worried DarkFall will take players away from there game of choice.

2) Some people just feel the need to start chit.

3) Some listend to some other troll that said the DarkFall community was the root of all evil and came here trolling and calling it Vaporware and insulting as many as they could. Those generaly get flamed in response and then they say SEE! the DarkFall community is horrible, they flamed me for merely pointing out the game sucks with unfounded statements and insulting as many of them as I could on a personal level and as a whole.

There are others but I think that is the big three.

Anyways if you don't have any interest in playing DarkFall or don't have any interest in the concept then there really isn't a reason to be here other than you desire to troll. Which honestly makes YOUR community look bad not ours lol.

So if you have any interest in DarkFall what so ever then please by all means take a seat, join in debates ask questions but cease with the unfounded statements and trolling. If there is something you wish to debate all I ask is that you debate in an intellegent manner.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by imbant

It is also nice to see many of the old time vapor ware trolls now making posts that admit DF is real and going to release.  You guys have come a long way, though some are still trying hard not to admit they were wrong.

State of the game on release is now the hot topic, and until beta starts soon no one will really be able to know about that. 

But for now, it is definitely innocent until proven guilty. 

 

This is exactly why you and your ilk arent good for Darkfall. You and your rabid pals cant stop overdoing it. You guys are condescending, you gloat like youve actually proven something. Funny thing is, since you havent seen the game, and dont know how its really going to be, you are gloating over conjecture.

Ive followed the game for a long time, and the more fans like this I see, the more I want to see it fail, not because I have anything against the game, but because you guys have pushed the envelope so far, someone ought to feed it to you.

You wanna know why there are so many trolls? You guys irritate people to the point of disliking the game because of your narrow mindedness.

P.S. Just to clarify, you arent not superior simply because you froth at the mouth and disrespect anyone with an iota of realistic expectation of what this game will truly be.

 

Looks like another member of the War community has come to try and tell those that follow DarkFall are inferrior to them and that the community here is the root of all evil.

Sorry but dude these are just video games. There meant for fun and enjoyment. I don't think I or this community is better than any other. I simply believe I will have more fun playing DarkFall than the other MMO's you guys keep telling us are better than DarkFall ever could be. From the feature list and from what I have seen DarkFall looks like something I will enjoy. If you can't accept that well it's not really my problem lol.

I can actualy tell you why there are so many trolls.

1) Some are worried DarkFall will take players away from there game of choice.

2) Some people just feel the need to start chit.

3) Some listend to some other troll that said the DarkFall community was the root of all evil and came here trolling and calling it Vaporware and insulting as many as they could. Those generaly get flamed in response and then they say SEE! the DarkFall community is horrible, they flamed me for merely pointing out the game sucks with unfounded statements and insulting as many of them as I could on a personal level and as a whole.

There are others but I think that is the big three.

Anyways if you don't have any interest in playing DarkFall or don't have any interest in the concept then there really isn't a reason to be here other than you desire to troll. Which honestly makes YOUR community look bad not ours lol.

So if you have any interest in DarkFall what so ever then please by all means take a seat, join in debates ask questions but cease with the unfounded statements and trolling. If there is something you wish to debate all I ask is that you debate in an intellegent manner.

Most likely Ive been following this game longer than you, I know more about it than most of the fans do. Ive kept my eye on it since 2001, about 2004 I started getting irritated, by 2006 I really thought this game was going to turn out to be a hoax. Now here in 2008, its been promised itll be released this year, but then again, I cant recall how many times its been implied that itll release on any number of the previous years.
 

Personally I hope they do live up to they hype, theyve promised a lot more than they every should have, and Im skeptical of them delivering, if anything I think itll end up being another DnL. All hype no substance.

I hope Im wrong I really do, Id love for them to actually pull it off, Id play thehell out of it, but Im not going to be a blind patsy who is spoon fed faith from a guy name Tasos who is currently at his first at bat in the position he holds.

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by imbant

It is also nice to see many of the old time vapor ware trolls now making posts that admit DF is real and going to release.  You guys have come a long way, though some are still trying hard not to admit they were wrong.

State of the game on release is now the hot topic, and until beta starts soon no one will really be able to know about that. 

But for now, it is definitely innocent until proven guilty. 

 

This is exactly why you and your ilk arent good for Darkfall. You and your rabid pals cant stop overdoing it. You guys are condescending, you gloat like youve actually proven something. Funny thing is, since you havent seen the game, and dont know how its really going to be, you are gloating over conjecture.

Ive followed the game for a long time, and the more fans like this I see, the more I want to see it fail, not because I have anything against the game, but because you guys have pushed the envelope so far, someone ought to feed it to you.

You wanna know why there are so many trolls? You guys irritate people to the point of disliking the game because of your narrow mindedness.

P.S. Just to clarify, you arent not superior simply because you froth at the mouth and disrespect anyone with an iota of realistic expectation of what this game will truly be.

 

Looks like another member of the War community has come to try and tell those that follow DarkFall are inferrior to them and that the community here is the root of all evil.

Sorry but dude these are just video games. There meant for fun and enjoyment. I don't think I or this community is better than any other. I simply believe I will have more fun playing DarkFall than the other MMO's you guys keep telling us are better than DarkFall ever could be. From the feature list and from what I have seen DarkFall looks like something I will enjoy. If you can't accept that well it's not really my problem lol.

I can actualy tell you why there are so many trolls.

1) Some are worried DarkFall will take players away from there game of choice.

2) Some people just feel the need to start chit.

3) Some listend to some other troll that said the DarkFall community was the root of all evil and came here trolling and calling it Vaporware and insulting as many as they could. Those generaly get flamed in response and then they say SEE! the DarkFall community is horrible, they flamed me for merely pointing out the game sucks with unfounded statements and insulting as many of them as I could on a personal level and as a whole.

There are others but I think that is the big three.

Anyways if you don't have any interest in playing DarkFall or don't have any interest in the concept then there really isn't a reason to be here other than you desire to troll. Which honestly makes YOUR community look bad not ours lol.

So if you have any interest in DarkFall what so ever then please by all means take a seat, join in debates ask questions but cease with the unfounded statements and trolling. If there is something you wish to debate all I ask is that you debate in an intellegent manner.

Most likely Ive been following this game longer than you, I know more about it than most of the fans do. Ive kept my eye on it since 2001, about 2004 I started getting irritated, by 2006 I really thought this game was going to turn out to be a hoax. Now here in 2008, its been promised itll be released this year, but then again, I cant recall how many times its been implied that itll release on any number of the previous years.
 

Personally I hope they do live up to they hype, theyve promised a lot more than they every should have, and Im skeptical of them delivering, if anything I think itll end up being another DnL. All hype no substance.

I hope Im wrong I really do, Id love for them to actually pull it off, Id play thehell out of it, but Im not going to be a blind patsy who is spoon fed faith from a guy name Tasos who is currently at his first at bat in the position he holds.

Honestly I follow most games silently until it looks like there ready to deliver and I am still interested. DarkFall started to show life and I registerd on the forums shortly before beta announcements and the in game footage vids. Before a game looks like it's actualy going to launch whats the point? You can discuss it's a great idea but until it's moved on from just an idea there's not much really to discuss. Besides the ideas behind DarkFall are similar to the things many of us discussed to death in UO. So I watched and I waited. I saw the things that were implied and ignored them, if anything happend great if not no worries because they honestly never said they would happen.  Low and behold you jumped the gun, made assumptions and now feel you got burned. I on the other hand got rewarded by following it but taking things at face value and didn't make the same unwarrented assumptions. When I signed up not long after, new vid of gameplay footage and the promise of a 2008 release, the news of a publisher being signed, the GNi Deal, and now the ADW news and vids.

Tasos didn't burn you, DarkFall didn't burn you, YOU burned yourself. You have no one to blame but yourself. Maybe isn't a promise nor is we hope.  The only promise made is the 2008 release. If they fail to deliver this then yes they have failed to deliver on there promise. No one is asking you to blindly follow anything, simply asking that you be a bit more mature on the forums. 

I mean honestly look at the post you replied to and how you replied. Do you really think anyone see's that as rational? Yes some of the Vapor Trolls are in fact accepting that they were more then likely wrong. Some are still trying hard not to admit it and trying to find other ways to attack the game, the company and the community. I mean with the consistant attack on all three did you not think fans would be happy to have atleast some proof to the contrary and that you guys wouldn't be called out?

In the end YOU burned yourself so now don't want to trust Aventurine again. Thats fine.

YOU made condesending posts trying to be negative to the community and about the game and company. And now you are treated as you are, YOU brought this on yourself. Non of us asked you to come troll and spew a lot of what has been said, we merely reacted.  I mean I don't like what happend with AoC and funcom and I have stated this fact. I am keeping tabs on it because it does have a chance to get better and it may get there and may become my MMO for when I get bored of my main at times.  I can't really blame you for being mad at Funcom but.... what you fail to realise is that all Age of Conan is, is just a game. It's not something huge or important it's just entertainment yet you treat it as if it is some life altering event yet look at your Avatar and look at how you act in this forum.

You chose to be part of the War community hence by the fact you praise War and seem to enjoy it. Thats kewl man I am not over at the War forums attempting to talk down to anyone. You come here and try your best to bash the community, the company and the game at times. You chose not to be a part of the community thats fine. I have utterly lost track of the point of this reply so I am going to end it here.

Amazing graphics and AI.  Umm...no.  Having watched the vid a couple times now, don't feel there is any  evidence to use for evaluating the AI in any real manner.  So, leave that out of the conversation for another time.  The graphics amazing.  Maybe 5 years ago.  Good enough to have a fun time in the game.  Most certainly.  Before you jump on it, not talking textures or any of that stuff.  I am looking at the basics.  They use a crude skeleton for the avatars, all movement is stiff and the hinge points look a little off.  The hips bother me a lot.  Animation wise, there is no difference between walk and run.  Running is just sped up walking.  The fighting looks like the same swing over and over.  Watch the fire(torches) it is like a 2 second loop.  I really like the shadows.  When he is on the bridge, the avatar shadow, shadow of the chain, all very sharp and well done.  Overall, I can't call it amazing by recent standards.  But, like stated earlier.  Is plenty good with underlying solid gameplay.

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by imbant

It is also nice to see many of the old time vapor ware trolls now making posts that admit DF is real and going to release.  You guys have come a long way, though some are still trying hard not to admit they were wrong.

State of the game on release is now the hot topic, and until beta starts soon no one will really be able to know about that. 

But for now, it is definitely innocent until proven guilty. 

 

This is exactly why you and your ilk arent good for Darkfall. You and your rabid pals cant stop overdoing it. You guys are condescending, you gloat like youve actually proven something. Funny thing is, since you havent seen the game, and dont know how its really going to be, you are gloating over conjecture.

Ive followed the game for a long time, and the more fans like this I see, the more I want to see it fail, not because I have anything against the game, but because you guys have pushed the envelope so far, someone ought to feed it to you.

You wanna know why there are so many trolls? You guys irritate people to the point of disliking the game because of your narrow mindedness.

P.S. Just to clarify, you arent not superior simply because you froth at the mouth and disrespect anyone with an iota of realistic expectation of what this game will truly be.

WOW you have some serious issues.  And i dont just meant that as a petty attempt to insult you over the internet, you really have something wrong with you.

You and your "ilk" arent good for DF?  sorry but i REALLY doubt that a couple internet warriors pre release is going to effect DF either way.  If the game is good, it will do well and vice versa.  If you actually think on release people will remember the arcken, imbants, catizones, originaleggs, aragons, etc of the mmorpg.com forums, you are insane. 

"the more i want to see it fail"

So you want to see a game fail for personal reasons.  Just to see people you dislike on the interwebz feel sad?  jeeze....issues.

Sorry bud that you dont have patience or the open mindedness (sp?) to actually wait for DF through its development cycle.  By your avatar i can see you really took AoC personally and you get too attached to games. 

Like someone else in this thread said, you didnt get burned by df or its devs.  You chose to follow it prerelease.

Its comming arcken, and people are excited about it.  Get over it.

Originally posted by emperorwings

too bad about the full loot pvp

You're confusing me.... full loot pvp is still in the game.

Unless you're meaning "too bad" that full loot pvp's in the game.... to which i'd have to say "go play any other game on the market then, carebear"

Originally posted by darkfallb

Originally posted by emperorwings

too bad about the full loot pvp

 

You're confusing me.... full loot pvp is still in the game.

 

Unless you're meaning "too bad" that full loot pvp's in the game.... to which i'd have to say "go play any other game on the market then, carebear"

Here's the thing...

Most people have been blinded by the hand-holding nature of WoW, WAR, etc....and they are use to their shiny epics by grinding pve, pvp, etc.  So they cant understand that loot in DF will be handled differently, and that losing your armor/weapons/whatever you have on you wont be as devastating, not even close, as losing all your epic sets you grinded for.

So they immeadiatly dismiss full loot pvp as a bad idea.  There also hasnt been a good sandbox in awhile so people who are new to the genre dont understand some of the core concepts behind the idea of a sandbox.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by imbant

It is also nice to see many of the old time vapor ware trolls now making posts that admit DF is real and going to release.  You guys have come a long way, though some are still trying hard not to admit they were wrong.

State of the game on release is now the hot topic, and until beta starts soon no one will really be able to know about that. 

But for now, it is definitely innocent until proven guilty. 

 

This is exactly why you and your ilk arent good for Darkfall. You and your rabid pals cant stop overdoing it. You guys are condescending, you gloat like youve actually proven something. Funny thing is, since you havent seen the game, and dont know how its really going to be, you are gloating over conjecture.

Ive followed the game for a long time, and the more fans like this I see, the more I want to see it fail, not because I have anything against the game, but because you guys have pushed the envelope so far, someone ought to feed it to you.

You wanna know why there are so many trolls? You guys irritate people to the point of disliking the game because of your narrow mindedness.

P.S. Just to clarify, you arent not superior simply because you froth at the mouth and disrespect anyone with an iota of realistic expectation of what this game will truly be.

 

Looks like another member of the War community has come to try and tell those that follow DarkFall are inferrior to them and that the community here is the root of all evil.

Sorry but dude these are just video games. There meant for fun and enjoyment. I don't think I or this community is better than any other. I simply believe I will have more fun playing DarkFall than the other MMO's you guys keep telling us are better than DarkFall ever could be. From the feature list and from what I have seen DarkFall looks like something I will enjoy. If you can't accept that well it's not really my problem lol.

I can actualy tell you why there are so many trolls.

1) Some are worried DarkFall will take players away from there game of choice.

2) Some people just feel the need to start chit.

3) Some listend to some other troll that said the DarkFall community was the root of all evil and came here trolling and calling it Vaporware and insulting as many as they could. Those generaly get flamed in response and then they say SEE! the DarkFall community is horrible, they flamed me for merely pointing out the game sucks with unfounded statements and insulting as many of them as I could on a personal level and as a whole.

There are others but I think that is the big three.

Anyways if you don't have any interest in playing DarkFall or don't have any interest in the concept then there really isn't a reason to be here other than you desire to troll. Which honestly makes YOUR community look bad not ours lol.

So if you have any interest in DarkFall what so ever then please by all means take a seat, join in debates ask questions but cease with the unfounded statements and trolling. If there is something you wish to debate all I ask is that you debate in an intellegent manner.

Most likely Ive been following this game longer than you, I know more about it than most of the fans do. Ive kept my eye on it since 2001, about 2004 I started getting irritated, by 2006 I really thought this game was going to turn out to be a hoax. Now here in 2008, its been promised itll be released this year, but then again, I cant recall how many times its been implied that itll release on any number of the previous years.
 

Personally I hope they do live up to they hype, theyve promised a lot more than they every should have, and Im skeptical of them delivering, if anything I think itll end up being another DnL. All hype no substance.

I hope Im wrong I really do, Id love for them to actually pull it off, Id play thehell out of it, but Im not going to be a blind patsy who is spoon fed faith from a guy name Tasos who is currently at his first at bat in the position he holds.

 

Honestly I follow most games silently until it looks like there ready to deliver and I am still interested. DarkFall started to show life and I registerd on the forums shortly before beta announcements and the in game footage vids. Before a game looks like it's actualy going to launch whats the point? You can discuss it's a great idea but until it's moved on from just an idea there's not much really to discuss. Besides the ideas behind DarkFall are similar to the things many of us discussed to death in UO. So I watched and I waited. I saw the things that were implied and ignored them, if anything happend great if not no worries because they honestly never said they would happen.  Low and behold you jumped the gun, made assumptions and now feel you got burned. I on the other hand got rewarded by following it but taking things at face value and didn't make the same unwarrented assumptions. When I signed up not long after, new vid of gameplay footage and the promise of a 2008 release, the news of a publisher being signed, the GNi Deal, and now the ADW news and vids.

Tasos didn't burn you, DarkFall didn't burn you, YOU burned yourself. You have no one to blame but yourself. Maybe isn't a promise nor is we hope.  The only promise made is the 2008 release. If they fail to deliver this then yes they have failed to deliver on there promise. No one is asking you to blindly follow anything, simply asking that you be a bit more mature on the forums. 

I mean honestly look at the post you replied to and how you replied. Do you really think anyone see's that as rational? Yes some of the Vapor Trolls are in fact accepting that they were more then likely wrong. Some are still trying hard not to admit it and trying to find other ways to attack the game, the company and the community. I mean with the consistant attack on all three did you not think fans would be happy to have atleast some proof to the contrary and that you guys wouldn't be called out?

In the end YOU burned yourself so now don't want to trust Aventurine again. Thats fine.

YOU made condesending posts trying to be negative to the community and about the game and company. And now you are treated as you are, YOU brought this on yourself. Non of us asked you to come troll and spew a lot of what has been said, we merely reacted.  I mean I don't like what happend with AoC and funcom and I have stated this fact. I am keeping tabs on it because it does have a chance to get better and it may get there and may become my MMO for when I get bored of my main at times.  I can't really blame you for being mad at Funcom but.... what you fail to realise is that all Age of Conan is, is just a game. It's not something huge or important it's just entertainment yet you treat it as if it is some life altering event yet look at your Avatar and look at how you act in this forum.

You chose to be part of the War community hence by the fact you praise War and seem to enjoy it. Thats kewl man I am not over at the War forums attempting to talk down to anyone. You come here and try your best to bash the community, the company and the game at times. You chose not to be a part of the community thats fine. I have utterly lost track of the point of this reply so I am going to end it here.

 

Perhaps this post by Theodgrim would help to show where Arcken is coming from.  He is by no means the only one that thinks there were things said before that weren't delivered.  Unless you have a very odd interpretation of "soon". 

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/205888

Originally posted by Theodgrim

I will believe Darkfall is in beta when it can be confirmed. This whole thing has become a joke, at least if you have been following the game for many years. They have been in some form of "beta", and just about to start public testing since 2003! Lets take a look at Darkfall and "beta" over the years -

08-03-2003
http://www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/darkfall2-1.php
Claus: Darkfall is entering closed beta testing in September this year. The closed beta is fully playable, with most core features implemented. We will be adding features and content during closed beta, while we gear up for the next beta stages.

GB: In the past couple of years, have any of your design goals changed? Has anything been cut/added from the development process?

Claus: Very little has changed. We have stayed true to the original design, and kept almost all of the features promised when we launched the Darkfall site two years ago. We sadly had to remove some popular features such as flying mounts, for reasons having to do with game balance issues related to sieges, and deformable terrain, due to possible latency issues. We have tried to make up for it by adding more content than originally planned. We'll be looking at possibly implementing these features at a later date.

(guess there was no "restart" or "do-over" in 2003, eh?)

GB: Will there be multiple phases to the public beta? Have you arrived at a date when you might begin such a beta?

Claus: Starting from Closed Beta in September, we will slowly add more and more testers. We will have an open beta shortly after, for stress testing.

9-30-2003
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=5542
Tasos: We feel that the Darkfall community deserves an update on the state of the game, this being the last day of Septemeber. We had said that we expect to be in beta this month and there has been a lot of speculation and uncertainty about what we meant by that.

We've been in a tech beta since September 2nd, testing, working on bugs, tuning and tweaking, adding content, and building the world. We're slightly behind schedule in some areas of development, ahead of schedule in others, and we're always working on new things, the latest being an optional third person perspective that can fit in with our gameplay design. Overall we're very happy with the progress, we don't have any serious problems, and we believe that we'll be able to deliver an advanced beta build for playtesting before long.

11-27-2003
Tasos: We've been quiet for a while, being in a stage of implementation with little to report. We thought it would be best to start by giving the community an overview with information of where we're at, and what we're doing now. We'll continue with frequent status updates as needed until Darkfall's release.

1-26-2004
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=7202
Tasos: Since our last update we've completed a lot of work and we're busy working on our latest Darkfall build which is on schedule and due to be out on February the 3d. This build is an important step towards community playtesting.

4-6-2004
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=8495
When is Beta?
Darkfall is currently in the final stages of internal beta testing. This means that the game is being tested in-house in preparation for public playtesting. A beta registration form will become available on this website soon.

7-9-2004
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=9970
Darkfall is still in internal beta. Delays and development taking longer than anticipated is the norm in the gaming industry as we all know, even in companies and projects with virtually unlimited resources. In our case the time related problems were tied more with the development of the advanced technology and the tools behind the game and not so much with the game itself.

5-4-2005
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadFeature/86/gameID/4/
MMORPG.com:
(Munka) I'm sure the biggest thing on the mind of the fans is when the beta is going to be held. Is the team nearing this stage or is there still a great deal to do before you can think about a beta?

Darkfall Team: We've been asked this question often and we know that this is on the mind of the fans, it's on our mind as well since there's nothing we would like more than have people playtesting the game.

We do have an internal milestone for the beta as the fans perceive it, and that's the state where the game can be playtested and fun could be had. We're nearing this stage. Other than that, we've been testing the game internally for quite some time now.

11-28-2005
http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p1.html
Tasos Flambouras: We're preparing for beta testing as we speak; you can apply on this page of our website. It's a huge job, and we want it done right. The start of the beta is affected by multiple variables, and not just development ones. The same goes for Darkfall's launch date. Once we have a date that we're reasonably sure of, we'll announce it immediately. The additional time taken to work on the game was a decision made in an effort to make Darkfall directly competitive with the largest MMOG titles out there. Nobody is going to feel they've stepped down by switching to Darkfall, or play Darkfall as an alternative to their main game.

8-26-2006
http://www.womengamers.com/articles/editorials/passion-behind-darkfall-online/1/
They've kept their game fairly low on the PR radar until this year. "Too many MMOs are released before they're ready to go to market," said Associate Producer Tasos Flambouras. "We want the beta to be almost finished before we show it to the world."

When I asked how far along they were with their game, they seemed pretty confident that the engine was almost ready. "We're spending a lot of our efforts tuning the graphics and art assets right now," explained Flambournas.

10-11-2006
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=26783
Tasos: We're in the middle of an effort of maintaining beta preparations while continuing to develop the game. In regards to that, I understand that the main information you need is a date, and we're getting closer to locking a schedule in.

11-30-2006
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/gameId/4/setView/features/loadFeature/733/InterviewwithTasosFlambouras.html
MMORPG.com: As Darkfall continues its development cycle when can we expect to see a Beta? Also do you have a target for production?
Tasos Flambouras: We've mentioned before that it's difficult to run a beta test while continuing development on the game, especially when all our human resources are in development. We are now at a stage where we can and we are preparing the beta test which will allow external beta testers in and this is now a high priority for us. We do have a target for production but realistically the target date will be tweaked during testing. We think it's better to hold off on an announcement until then.

MMORPG.com: What is in the near future for Darkfall? After launch are there plans for an expansion?
Tasos Flambouras: We're moving towards external testing in the near future. As for after launch, Darkfall follows a timeline and the design looks past the release of the game. We already have plans and guidelines for part of our first updates.

1-17-2007
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=30347
The beta development milestone was met early in December. Since then we've had a fully functional and stable beta build up on remote servers, which is being patched regularly.

5-31-2007
http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.42541
Tasos: We've been throwing around the word beta quite a bit, and it's not to churn the waters, it's because it's what we're working on right now. An editorial on this site urged us to come out with a date. Well that's nice, and we will when we have one. We've specified that our internal target date is this summer and we can't get more specific yet, but we will when we're ready to make an announcement.

9-28-2007
http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/2289-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-15-A-Visit-From-a-Fan
Tasos: If there's an interesting development it's that we've narrowed in on a specific beta date and we should be announcing it very soon, right after we make sure that a couple of conditions are met.

1-11-2008
http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/2796-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-21-Summary-Status
Overall, we have a near complete implementation of the game, speaking of the technology and our feature list. We're running the game through proper QA testing at the moment, and doing full optimizations to make sure everything will run smoothly even when demands on the game are high.

4-11-2008
http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/devjournals/darkfalljournals/3570-Darkfall-Dev-Journal-25-Philosophy
Tasos: Darkfall is feature complete and we're doing beta testing using professional testers as we've said before.

(HUH? Seems they have wanted players testing this game as early as possible...guess they changed their mind!)

Tasos: Based on the above, it's conceivable that we may be further along in development than several games in beta, or with announced release dates. So why don't we announce a date already? It's because there's no way we'll miss a release date and we're not going to just set a date as a goal, and either postpone or be forced to release something unfinished. We resolve to stick with our release date because we know how people tend to plan around this as far as organization, time and hardware goes when they're looking to make a commitment to an MMORPG, especially a competitive one like Darkfall.

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by imbant

It is also nice to see many of the old time vapor ware trolls now making posts that admit DF is real and going to release.  You guys have come a long way, though some are still trying hard not to admit they were wrong.

State of the game on release is now the hot topic, and until beta starts soon no one will really be able to know about that. 

But for now, it is definitely innocent until proven guilty. 

 

This is exactly why you and your ilk arent good for Darkfall. You and your rabid pals cant stop overdoing it. You guys are condescending, you gloat like youve actually proven something. Funny thing is, since you havent seen the game, and dont know how its really going to be, you are gloating over conjecture.

Ive followed the game for a long time, and the more fans like this I see, the more I want to see it fail, not because I have anything against the game, but because you guys have pushed the envelope so far, someone ought to feed it to you.

You wanna know why there are so many trolls? You guys irritate people to the point of disliking the game because of your narrow mindedness.

P.S. Just to clarify, you arent not superior simply because you froth at the mouth and disrespect anyone with an iota of realistic expectation of what this game will truly be.

 

WOW you have some serious issues.  And i dont just meant that as a petty attempt to insult you over the internet, you really have something wrong with you.

You and your "ilk" arent good for DF?  sorry but i REALLY doubt that a couple internet warriors pre release is going to effect DF either way.  If the game is good, it will do well and vice versa.  If you actually think on release people will remember the arcken, imbants, catizones, originaleggs, aragons, etc of the mmorpg.com forums, you are insane. 

"the more i want to see it fail"

So you want to see a game fail for personal reasons.  Just to see people you dislike on the interwebz feel sad?  jeeze....issues.

Sorry bud that you dont have patience or the open mindedness (sp?) to actually wait for DF through its development cycle.  By your avatar i can see you really took AoC personally and you get too attached to games. 

Like someone else in this thread said, you didnt get burned by df or its devs.  You chose to follow it prerelease.

Its comming arcken, and people are excited about it.  Get over it.

Did you not read what i said? I WANT to play it, I WANT them to deliver, but look at you guys. You are like the religious people that show up at someones  door at 7 am, only instead of trying to be convincing, you punch the person in the face as soon as they open the door because they dont "Praise your lord"

Rabid zealotry with a side order of cult worship.

As far as my Avatar goes, its a reminder that rabid fans who had no real idea whats in their new "religion" better beware of investing their faith in a game. You had better beware, you are setting yourself up to get burned.

And yes I dont like most of you overzealous fans, in fact I often get banned when dealing with certain members of your "cult".

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by imbant

It is also nice to see many of the old time vapor ware trolls now making posts that admit DF is real and going to release.  You guys have come a long way, though some are still trying hard not to admit they were wrong.

State of the game on release is now the hot topic, and until beta starts soon no one will really be able to know about that. 

But for now, it is definitely innocent until proven guilty. 

 

This is exactly why you and your ilk arent good for Darkfall. You and your rabid pals cant stop overdoing it. You guys are condescending, you gloat like youve actually proven something. Funny thing is, since you havent seen the game, and dont know how its really going to be, you are gloating over conjecture.

Ive followed the game for a long time, and the more fans like this I see, the more I want to see it fail, not because I have anything against the game, but because you guys have pushed the envelope so far, someone ought to feed it to you.

You wanna know why there are so many trolls? You guys irritate people to the point of disliking the game because of your narrow mindedness.

P.S. Just to clarify, you arent not superior simply because you froth at the mouth and disrespect anyone with an iota of realistic expectation of what this game will truly be.

 

WOW you have some serious issues.  And i dont just meant that as a petty attempt to insult you over the internet, you really have something wrong with you.

You and your "ilk" arent good for DF?  sorry but i REALLY doubt that a couple internet warriors pre release is going to effect DF either way.  If the game is good, it will do well and vice versa.  If you actually think on release people will remember the arcken, imbants, catizones, originaleggs, aragons, etc of the mmorpg.com forums, you are insane. 

"the more i want to see it fail"

So you want to see a game fail for personal reasons.  Just to see people you dislike on the interwebz feel sad?  jeeze....issues.

Sorry bud that you dont have patience or the open mindedness (sp?) to actually wait for DF through its development cycle.  By your avatar i can see you really took AoC personally and you get too attached to games. 

Like someone else in this thread said, you didnt get burned by df or its devs.  You chose to follow it prerelease.

Its comming arcken, and people are excited about it.  Get over it.

Did you not read what i said? I WANT to play it, I WANT them to deliver, but look at you guys. You are like the religious people that show up at someones  door at 7 am, only instead of trying to be convincing, you punch the person in the face as soon as they open the door because they dont "Praise your lord"

Rabid zealotry with a side order of cult worship.

As far as my Avatar goes, its a reminder that rabid fans who had no real idea whats in their new "religion" better beware of investing their faith in a game. You had better beware, you are setting yourself up to get burned.

And yes I dont like most of you overzealous fans, in fact I often get banned when dealing with certain members of your "cult".