No I am not.  And if you couldn't figure out scenarios are only a very small, side dish, to be tasted once in a while, then you prolly should have looked elsewhere.

Originally posted by Tyvolus

No I am not.  And if you couldn't figure out scenarios are only a very small, side dish, to be tasted once in a while, then you prolly should have looked elsewhere.

Really, did you even read the thread or even the first thread? I am still trying to figure out how you got that response out of my opening post.

One of the problems with WAR is that people only do scenarios. Theres multiple threads about it and suggestions on making outside RVR more rewarding. That was what I was referring to in my original post.

Not tired of War at all, its only been out 1 month. Its refreshing to see a MMO launch without the major bugs that plagued AoC and Vanguard. I think a lot of ppl see War as a big threat to pull players from their favorite game and come here to troll. IMO the more successful War becomes the more of these threads we'll see.

Originally posted by Innoss

Originally posted by Tyvolus

No I am not.  And if you couldn't figure out scenarios are only a very small, side dish, to be tasted once in a while, then you prolly should have looked elsewhere.

 

Really, did you even read the thread or even the first thread? I am still trying to figure out how you got that response out of my opening post.

One of the problems with WAR is that people only do scenarios. Theres multiple threads about it and suggestions on making outside RVR more rewarding. That was what I was referring to in my original post.

"Tired of being stuck in scenarios and hardly ever seeing the world?"
 

are these not your own words ?  because you dont know me or my play style and therefore cant say all I do is scenarios.  In fact I RARELY do scenarios, there are way too many other things to do, including world PvP.  So, since you asked the question, it almost goes without saying thats what you did, unless you never played the game and your post is total fabricated garbage....nawww...

Eventhough I'm not tired of WAR and will continue to play it I will say the following:

Vanguard has come a long way from what it was at launch.  If theres a free trial I urge all to partake in it as Vanguard has some very interesting classes, a very open world, and an intense crafting system that surpasses all others I've ever experienced.

Also the diplomacy system is a nice change.

That being said, the world is also pretty empty, and don't plan on PVP.  I played Vanguard for awhile, and though I may plan on going back at somepoint.. Vanguard won't hold my attention the way WAR holds my attention now. 

Even still, Vanguard is worth a mention as it is definitely a different game in this vast MMO genre, and deserve a look.

Originally posted by Innoss

Tired of WAR and the almost limitless bugs in T4? Tired of being stuck in scenarios and hardly ever seeing the world?

Anyways I could go on like that but I wont. Ill just say after having tried AoC and now WAR, I wont be playing a new released game again.Which brings me to why I am posting.

 

2 days ago I fired up the Vanguard account. Hadnt played since launch and we all know how that went. The game has come 180 degrees from launch. No lag and graphics that in my OP is still better than AOC's. Went from 1 to 20 in 2 days just barely playing. Theres tons of new quests. A portal system so traveling is easy as hell and leveling so far is just great. No other game have I been running out to a quest spot and just stopped. panned around and just looked at the world. The world "feels" alive and you can honestly immerse yourself.

 

I ran into 1 bug while playing these last 2 days. And it was just a UI bug. Flying mounts are in and work. You dont drop while chunking etc. You can rent a flying mount cheap to get to quest areas without having to dodge every passing mob. All in all this game is rocking and had it come out this summer the way it is now, you would be playing it.

 

The only thing it needs is players and an expac budget those players will bring. So in closing, if your tired of bland, watered down gaming then give vanguard another look.

For me personally I am actually finding WAR to be rather boring but not because of lack of endgame content. I'm still in the early stages of the game actually. I just find it boring because of its simplicity and general lack of any real incentive to get involved in the RvR aspect of the game. Sure I can help to take control of a tower or a keep but for what reason? The other side will just take it back once no-one is there anyway. No-one is really bothered about losing anything and why would they be when defeat doesnt actually have any impact on anyone? Its all pretty meaningless. Oh sure you get exp, renown points and gear but that shouldnt be the only goal for doing something. Levelling up is just a side effect of playing the game. I dont really care about that as its something that happens anyway. I want real OBJECTIVES that once attained actually mean something.

I'm also finding the gear I find all looks the same as everyone elses so everyone from each class tends to look the same. Also the PvE quests are very dull. I dont even bother reading the quest text anymore as it doesnt matter......mind you that can be said for any mmo.

However despite all of these bad points I disagree with the OP that this game is more buggy than other games. Mythic is doing a great job with fixing the game up by listening to its players. The chat system was a joke though but at least it is getting fixed now. What mmo gets released without the ability to communicate with your realm mates?! Weird! Scenarios DO detract from the main RvR aspect of WAR though but at the same time they are actually fun and they gave me the opportunity to practice my rubbish PvP skills. It is silly though that players can level-up and bypass the rest of the game by only doing scenarios.

However the OP's points could be accepted until he starts talking about Vanguard. That game is an absolute pile of crap! I still find it amazing that I keep seeing people coming onto these forums and talking about how good it looks. It looks absolutely pig ugly! Oh sure it has certainly improved since its launch when it was virtually unplayable. Now it is playable but it still looks bloody awful and thats after the new character models which still manage to look like wooden manikins with downs syndrome. It has a big open world though full to the brim with lots and lots of quests........and all of it is boring as hell. The game world does NOT feel alive at all. Its the complete opposite. The graphics have plenty of detail but its all so badly done, messy and wooden. It seems like the game never had a real art director involved (or a decent one) so as a result Vanguard never feels like an actual game world. Its not just the way it looks though......its the way everything moves. The animations just look so stupid all the time with everything flying about in a stilted herky-jerky fashion. WARs graphics and atmosphere just smashes Vanguard no problem. Even though I am not a big fan of WAR it definately feels more alive than crappy old Vanguard.

Dont fall for this hype. Vanguard sucks......but by all means try out the free trial and see for yourself and form your own opinion.

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Play the games I play, they're the BEST !!!

I'm not tired of WAR.

Vanguard is a good game.  If they have fixed most of the bugs, it may even be a great game. I played Vanguard for the first 8months. If you are a fan of EQ, you will love VG. It's everything EQ2 should have been.

Originally posted by Pelaaja

I'm glad you found your game in Vanguard.

Burning yourself in scenarios was only your fault, because they are only sidekick and the main event is OpenRvR. And when it comes to being in T4 already when the game hasn't been alive for a month, tough luck. Why grind ranks to find yourself bored beats me.

Live long and prosper. Once you decide to come back to WAR, join Order. We are the ones walking out of this mess alive :D

Would you please point out where in the game it details the appropriate leveling speed and when the end game was announced to be ready for players? 

Either that game works at release or it does not.  It does not matter if people start to reach end game in one month or five, because it will happen.  Post launch should not be used as an extension to development time to finish the game.

Not that I am agreeing with the person you chide, but rather I just dislike your mentality that somehow the problems of the game are the players fault for playing to much.  It is that exact mentality that has encouraged companies to release unfinished games and expect players to accept broken unfinished untested end game as the norm.  [Again, not saying this is the case here, just the point of the matter]

Also there is a reason people do so many scenarios, but thats a different matter.

well you got to admit, that rushing to endgame, in a game thats been out for a month, in a game that requires other players your level to RvR against, doesnt seem like a good idea...does it?

no one forced you to blow by the entire population in levels, leaving you alone at the 40 while the rest of your server is having a blast in t2 or t3 scenarios/RvR/PQ's , but you did and you didnt like it, so the game must suck. Perhaps you should have checked out one of the 20 diffrent classes out there and tried to take a look at all of the content in the game, sooner or later your lonely t4 character will be very useful once the rest of the game catches up to you.

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Innoss

Tired of WAR and the almost limitless bugs in T4? Tired of being stuck in scenarios and hardly ever seeing the world?

Anyways I could go on like that but I wont. Ill just say after having tried AoC and now WAR, I wont be playing a new released game again.Which brings me to why I am posting.

 

2 days ago I fired up the Vanguard account. Hadnt played since launch and we all know how that went. The game has come 180 degrees from launch. No lag and graphics that in my OP is still better than AOC's. Went from 1 to 20 in 2 days just barely playing. Theres tons of new quests. A portal system so traveling is easy as hell and leveling so far is just great. No other game have I been running out to a quest spot and just stopped. panned around and just looked at the world. The world "feels" alive and you can honestly immerse yourself.

 

I ran into 1 bug while playing these last 2 days. And it was just a UI bug. Flying mounts are in and work. You dont drop while chunking etc. You can rent a flying mount cheap to get to quest areas without having to dodge every passing mob. All in all this game is rocking and had it come out this summer the way it is now, you would be playing it.

 

The only thing it needs is players and an expac budget those players will bring. So in closing, if your tired of bland, watered down gaming then give vanguard another look.

 

For me personally I am actually finding WAR to be rather boring but not because of lack of endgame content. I'm still in the early stages of the game actually. I just find it boring because of its simplicity and general lack of any real incentive to get involved in the RvR aspect of the game. Sure I can help to take control of a tower or a keep but for what reason? The other side will just take it back once no-one is there anyway. No-one is really bothered about losing anything and why would they be when defeat doesnt actually have any impact on anyone? Its all pretty meaningless. Oh sure you get exp, renown points and gear but that shouldnt be the only goal for doing something. Levelling up is just a side effect of playing the game. I dont really care about that as its something that happens anyway. I want real OBJECTIVES that once attained actually mean something.

I'm also finding the gear I find all looks the same as everyone elses so everyone from each class tends to look the same. Also the PvE quests are very dull. I dont even bother reading the quest text anymore as it doesnt matter......mind you that can be said for any mmo.

However despite all of these bad points I disagree with the OP that this game is more buggy than other games. Mythic is doing a great job with fixing the game up by listening to its players. The chat system was a joke though but at least it is getting fixed now. What mmo gets released without the ability to communicate with your realm mates?! Weird! Scenarios DO detract from the main RvR aspect of WAR though but at the same time they are actually fun and they gave me the opportunity to practice my rubbish PvP skills. It is silly though that players can level-up and bypass the rest of the game by only doing scenarios.

However the OP's points could be accepted until he starts talking about Vanguard. That game is an absolute pile of crap! I still find it amazing that I keep seeing people coming onto these forums and talking about how good it looks. It looks absolutely pig ugly! Oh sure it has certainly improved since its launch when it was virtually unplayable. Now it is playable but it still looks bloody awful and thats after the new character models which still manage to look like wooden manikins with downs syndrome. It has a big open world though full to the brim with lots and lots of quests........and all of it is boring as hell. The game world does NOT feel alive at all. Its the complete opposite. The graphics have plenty of detail but its all so badly done, messy and wooden. It seems like the game never had a real art director involved (or a decent one) so as a result Vanguard never feels like an actual game world. Its not just the way it looks though......its the way everything moves. The animations just look so stupid all the time with everything flying about in a stilted herky-jerky fashion. WARs graphics and atmosphere just smashes Vanguard no problem. Even though I am not a big fan of WAR it definately feels more alive than crappy old Vanguard.

Dont fall for this hype. Vanguard sucks......but by all means try out the free trial and see for yourself and form your own opinion.

This is exactly the way I feel. I log into the game and think to myself, "what's the point to any of this"? I'm not renewing my subscription.

Originally posted by crunchyblack

well you got to admit, that rushing to endgame, in a game thats been out for a month, in a game that requires other players your level to RvR against, doesnt seem like a good idea...does it?

 

no one forced you to blow by the entire population in levels, leaving you alone at the 40 while the rest of your server is having a blast in t2 or t3 scenarios/RvR/PQ's , but you did and you didnt like it, so the game must suck. Perhaps you should have checked out one of the 20 diffrent classes out there and tried to take a look at all of the content in the game, sooner or later your lonely t4 character will be very useful once the rest of the game catches up to you.

 

 

Someone has to be first to reach end game and everyone behind that group of people usually like to throw stones at them saying they rushed and the condition of the game is somehow their fault for getting their to fast.  As I said before, there isn't some set time frame that is acceptable for people to reach end game.   We all have our opinions.  Those who did reach it don't seem to be complaining that there are not enough people, but rather that the game is non functional to some degree.   People are confusing the two as if it is the same complaint which it doesn't seem to be.

For the record, I am not in T4.  In fact I am mostly in T2 and I can say that "the rest of the game" is not having a blast as you put it in T2.  There are plenty of people who say the game is lonely at varios tiers due to lack of other players.  Sadly that is where I am at also and yes I have a good guild, but they are all much higher level than me.

Originally posted by Alioth

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Innoss

Tired of WAR and the almost limitless bugs in T4? Tired of being stuck in scenarios and hardly ever seeing the world?

Anyways I could go on like that but I wont. Ill just say after having tried AoC and now WAR, I wont be playing a new released game again.Which brings me to why I am posting.

 

2 days ago I fired up the Vanguard account. Hadnt played since launch and we all know how that went. The game has come 180 degrees from launch. No lag and graphics that in my OP is still better than AOC's. Went from 1 to 20 in 2 days just barely playing. Theres tons of new quests. A portal system so traveling is easy as hell and leveling so far is just great. No other game have I been running out to a quest spot and just stopped. panned around and just looked at the world. The world "feels" alive and you can honestly immerse yourself.

 

I ran into 1 bug while playing these last 2 days. And it was just a UI bug. Flying mounts are in and work. You dont drop while chunking etc. You can rent a flying mount cheap to get to quest areas without having to dodge every passing mob. All in all this game is rocking and had it come out this summer the way it is now, you would be playing it.

 

The only thing it needs is players and an expac budget those players will bring. So in closing, if your tired of bland, watered down gaming then give vanguard another look.

 

For me personally I am actually finding WAR to be rather boring but not because of lack of endgame content. I'm still in the early stages of the game actually. I just find it boring because of its simplicity and general lack of any real incentive to get involved in the RvR aspect of the game. Sure I can help to take control of a tower or a keep but for what reason? The other side will just take it back once no-one is there anyway. No-one is really bothered about losing anything and why would they be when defeat doesnt actually have any impact on anyone? Its all pretty meaningless. Oh sure you get exp, renown points and gear but that shouldnt be the only goal for doing something. Levelling up is just a side effect of playing the game. I dont really care about that as its something that happens anyway. I want real OBJECTIVES that once attained actually mean something.

I'm also finding the gear I find all looks the same as everyone elses so everyone from each class tends to look the same. Also the PvE quests are very dull. I dont even bother reading the quest text anymore as it doesnt matter......mind you that can be said for any mmo.

However despite all of these bad points I disagree with the OP that this game is more buggy than other games. Mythic is doing a great job with fixing the game up by listening to its players. The chat system was a joke though but at least it is getting fixed now. What mmo gets released without the ability to communicate with your realm mates?! Weird! Scenarios DO detract from the main RvR aspect of WAR though but at the same time they are actually fun and they gave me the opportunity to practice my rubbish PvP skills. It is silly though that players can level-up and bypass the rest of the game by only doing scenarios.

However the OP's points could be accepted until he starts talking about Vanguard. That game is an absolute pile of crap! I still find it amazing that I keep seeing people coming onto these forums and talking about how good it looks. It looks absolutely pig ugly! Oh sure it has certainly improved since its launch when it was virtually unplayable. Now it is playable but it still looks bloody awful and thats after the new character models which still manage to look like wooden manikins with downs syndrome. It has a big open world though full to the brim with lots and lots of quests........and all of it is boring as hell. The game world does NOT feel alive at all. Its the complete opposite. The graphics have plenty of detail but its all so badly done, messy and wooden. It seems like the game never had a real art director involved (or a decent one) so as a result Vanguard never feels like an actual game world. Its not just the way it looks though......its the way everything moves. The animations just look so stupid all the time with everything flying about in a stilted herky-jerky fashion. WARs graphics and atmosphere just smashes Vanguard no problem. Even though I am not a big fan of WAR it definately feels more alive than crappy old Vanguard.

Dont fall for this hype. Vanguard sucks......but by all means try out the free trial and see for yourself and form your own opinion.

 

This is exactly the way I feel. I log into the game and think to myself, "what's the point to any of this"? I'm not renewing my subscription.

Well that makes two of us then as my subscription runs out very soon and I wont be renewing it either. I keep logging in as I want to get my moneys worth from the first month but I'm really struggling to find it interesting.

Originally posted by neonwire

 

However the OP's points could be accepted until he starts talking about Vanguard. That game is an absolute pile of crap! I still find it amazing that I keep seeing people coming onto these forums and talking about how good it looks. It looks absolutely pig ugly! Oh sure it has certainly improved since its launch when it was virtually unplayable. Now it is playable but it still looks bloody awful and thats after the new character models which still manage to look like wooden manikins with downs syndrome. It has a big open world though full to the brim with lots and lots of quests........and all of it is boring as hell. The game world does NOT feel alive at all. Its the complete opposite. The graphics have plenty of detail but its all so badly done, messy and wooden. It seems like the game never had a real art director involved (or a decent one) so as a result Vanguard never feels like an actual game world. Its not just the way it looks though......its the way everything moves. The animations just look so stupid all the time with everything flying about in a stilted herky-jerky fashion. WARs graphics and atmosphere just smashes Vanguard no problem. Even though I am not a big fan of WAR it definately feels more alive than crappy old Vanguard.

Dont fall for this hype. Vanguard sucks......but by all means try out the free trial and see for yourself and form your own opinion.

Different strokes for different folks.  Vanguard still blows me away with how massive and gorgeous of a world it is.  I don't know how anyone can rent a griphon and fly down the River in Qalia and not be blown away, but to each their own. I will whole heartedly agree with this poster's last comment, check out the free trial and try for yourself.