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10/15/08 2:44:12 PM#21
wow anyone who even thinks about startin up another WoW vs. War thread should read your post first. |
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10/15/08 2:49:46 PM#22
I don't like War PvE at all. I find it boring too. I just want to RvR all the time and can't because of queue of scenarios and lack of people in rvr areas. I found the PvE in daoc more fun than WAR and a lot of people didn't like daoc pve. Oh, and for a RvR game, the PvE is much too slow in WAR, especially compared to what it was in beta. The only fun I can find is if I pull like 10-15 mobs on my dok or marauder and see if I can survive. |
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10/15/08 3:12:55 PM#23
Agree with the OP, the PvE in WAR is better than I expected. The Public Quest system is great, and the regular quests are decent if not spectacular. At least there aren't too many random drop quests like WoW has, that require killing endless amounts of mobs, and that makes me want to throw my mouse across the room. WoW does have pretty good instances (although the endless trash pulls get repetative), but the questing in WoW is extremely poor, probably the weakest questing game out there. And since WoW almost *never* offers any new content except end-game content, leveling from 1-70 (and soon to 80) is something I just can't get myself to do ever again. And that's the biggest problem I have with WoW, the only enjoyable aspect *is* the end-game. In WAR however, I find even the first tier to be very fun. That's a pretty good achievement, IMO. |
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10/15/08 6:01:30 PM#24
Originally posted by demalus
i used wow has an example even tho i'm 34 years and my first "MMO" was actually a mud. I still think war pve is sub par. Yes probably most people do find their strategies on some website, but since I was in a guild that actually tried to get well not first but like 4th or fifth kills, we actually did the stuff before things get on websites. SO yes, it become a bit of a challenge in that setting. in fact,I think we all have to admit that if we compare pve in wow and everquest (the original) wow comes clearly on top, unless any one thinks it is complex to run in circles with a boss on your back ( I was a tank in everquest) while every one else spamm heal and dps. I'll admit first hand that I am a power/meta player. As such i'm pretty close to wow, not in terms of playing but in al that is before that, what many call theorycrafting about dps cicles, dmg formulas etc. Raided everything that could be raided in wow, rank 14 when it was mad to do it, have +300 000 honor kiils, always got my gladiator title etc. Yet, dont think wow is the paradigm of mmorpgs but like that guy on the escape artist said, it is as good as a broad end mmorpg can be ( by broad end I mean broad appeal to the masses) given the current hardware limitations- something that funcom didnt clearly understood. and before anyone comes with the sandbox approach, yes I actually like sandbox games, but sandbox games can't be broad mmorpg's since the majority of the masses doesnt like to think outside the box, and the sandbox game concept actually is centered on thinking outside the box. More, no "traditional" MMORPG until now required real skill from players when it comes to pvp, including war, where in the end it is all a zerg not much different than bgs are in wow. the really big difference between WAR and WOW when it comes to pvp is that in WAR the pvp is directed towards an objective and itemization plays a lesser role while in wow pvp is solely based on gear and spec, pvp has low impact on the game itself and random procs define many times the outcome. Probably arenas are as close as skill in a mmorpg, but still is more about comunication and modus operandi (with a lot of random procs and effects) than skill, and nothing in mmorpg's, where random rolls occur all the time provid a test of skill. Even less in wow- and thats something that most arena junkies will not admit, because they like to show themselfs as the "elite pro arena dude" etc. any way agree clearly with something , the focus in wow is endgame, initially raiding, right now is almost 60/40 raid and pvp due to arenas. But still endgame, even more when it comes to pvp. In war, at least until now, you dont need to be max level, covered in "epics" and specced in perfection to pvp. Eventually it will come to gear also, but at least the structure of the game offers the possibility of having the same kind at lower and higher level. And that is good. Only doubt i have about warhammer is the staying power- something that wow -no matter if one likes it or not, has in abundancy, since the very nature of itemization almost forces one to keep improving their gear on a constant basis to be "king of the hill". in a final note, it doesnt matter if the pve in war is good or not. The game doesnt aim at it, and thats why not only you can max level just pvping but also to actually do pvp to become "good" since pvp is the key to unlock enhancements.
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10/15/08 6:16:07 PM#25
Not everyone is saying that the PvE sucks, just some. Most of us who actually plays it like everything about it. |
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10/15/08 6:28:40 PM#26
Originally posted by Dkevlar
WoW is an item collecting game, the most successful online collecting game of all time. Built on a gigantic mountain of repetitous activity, some of it fun, some of it not-so-much. As long as they keep adding items and repetitious activities (Daily quests, what a concept!), the masses will be happy. I hope WAR doesn't try to be that kind of game, we already have several. WAR will have staying power by adding classes, play mechanics, new scenarios, new RvR objective types, PvE content, maybe even a real crafting system. WAR will have staying power as long as EA/Mythic stick with it, and EA realizes they're probably not going to ever get WoW-level subscription numbers. EA financial support: that's the biggest question mark for me in regards to WAR's longevity. |
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10/16/08 12:08:26 AM#27
Originally posted by Grauhase Well, my english is not that good, so i´ll just list some aspects to prove why PVE in this game sucks: - mobs AI - terrible...I don´t even need to say a word about it. - lack of immersion: infinite ammo, never have to fix your armor, when u die, u just respawn and have a healer by your side to remove all your debuffs (lol).. so, u dont even need to care about dying!!! No weather system, etc... -professions? Crap... - Also the game needs more dungeons and places where u go with your friends to kill bosses, get gear and have fun! - Variety lacking everyone looks the same! - Chat is terrible.. no community at all So, its easy PVE...no fun at all. Its just a PVP game.
You have "proved" absoulty nothing.
Nice post, flammer! Go back to your 'Counter-Strike' !!! |
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10/16/08 12:09:34 AM#28
idk i personally like the pve in war but maybe i'm just crazy |
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10/16/08 12:21:33 AM#29
The PVE is great in this game and very under-rated. How many other games can even begin to boast so many scripted encounters in the open world. PQs are a blast, and if you want to get a group for them you can, with a little perseverance. Many quests have lots of character - and even some amusing surprises. It's good stuff.
Most people who complain at the PVE in this game haven't done much of it. |
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10/16/08 12:23:34 AM#30
Originally posted by Grauhase PQs - boss in every one of them. And some are really fun. Have you tried them? They get better as you get higher up. |
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10/16/08 12:27:45 AM#31
Originally posted by markyturnip PQs - boss in every one of them. And some are really fun. Have you tried them? They get better as you get higher up.
Dude, first stage...second stage...3rd stage... i know PQs... ...but this is not the same, i mean..u dont fell like u´re in a dungeon or smething like that. Thats what i´m talking about! Anyway, i do like PQs. Im not saying that this game sucks... i said that its PVE sucks! |
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10/16/08 1:39:20 AM#32
PQs are definitely a very cool PVE idea. They play pretty well it might be nice if they were not all rather routinely 3 steps but generally it is a great concept. The thing that hurts PvE is that combat in war being very PvP oriented sacrafices a lot of the complexities that make PvE fun. Also the mobs tends to be equally simple in their AI. Combat in PvE basically comes down to hitting your ability buttons and doing whatever gimic you have to do. I guess the combat system is a bit more interesting they EQ2 but I'd put it below wow and way below vanguard for PvE combat. PvE content I'd say is better in EQ2, WoW and Vanguard and I'd probably still give vanguard top marks. Although eq2 has more variety. And wow is of course solid as well. Course where war shines is in the RvR content which is what the game is really about. And as such it's a fun game in it's own merit. But if you are hardcore PvE you will find the game lacking. 
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10/16/08 2:55:33 AM#33
The first problem with PQ's is there empty 9 out of 10 times..... So all you can basically do is Stage I and then let Stage 2 expire and start over on Stage 1 again... And that gets extremely boring.... The second problem is there very repetitive, Seems they kept the best PQ's for Tier 1, because so far all the Tier 2 and 3 PQ's are pretty boring... As for Dungeons, there a joke, all they are is a big PQ. The OP said that WAR questing is as good as any other MMO out there... Exactly, so why come play this game when the PvE is the same boring stuff as the other MMO's offer.... Might as well stay playing WOW... I also dont like how WAR leads you by the nose from Chapter to Chapter, makes questing feel so linear. I would of like to have seen some cool Story Arc's to follow, but instead we just get short descriptions with each quest, which nobody even really reads because you don't need to in order to do the quest. In the end this game will appeal to PvP'ers who don't like PvE... I'm not the only one who feels this way, my Guild and guilds we have alliances with have said the same thing and there seeing there guild #'s drop fast the last week or so, and its only going to get worse... WAR as a PvP Game: 7/10 WAR as a PvE Game: 3/10 |
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