Originally posted by Thachsanh 

Let me put it this way, 3 weeks ago, you ran a marathon 1000 people came in 10 place. You place 2nd in your 'age bracker'. This week you ran another marathon against 1000 people but 290 younger, champion, record breaker, professional athelete join in, but again, you placed 2nd in your age bracket. Do you see the different? YOU DO NOT PERFORM WORSE THAN YOU DID BEFORE. The competition field change and does not reflect your true performance anymore.

So your point is that Warhammer is still selling as many copies, because there have been 90+ other software titles that were released in the last few weeks that are selling better?

I am not a software sales guru by any means, but I'm pretty sure Warhammer is a rock star of a title that is selling very well for a PC game. It even beat out spore if I am correct.  

However, it is very unlikely that Warhammer is still selling the same amount it did a few weeks ago and it has only been pushed off the charts by a sudden influx of 90+ other games selling even more than pre-October Warhammer did.  It just doesn't make any sense at all.  Honestly how many copies of Nancy Drew do you think sold to rank higher than Warhammer?

Not that I put a terrible amount of confidence in amazon sales charts to begin with or publisher statements of "accounts created" instead of actual current subscribers.  Both are filled with terrible amounts of speculation and open to interpretation. 

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Thachsanh 

Let me put it this way, 3 weeks ago, you ran a marathon 1000 people came in 10 place. You place 2nd in your 'age bracker'. This week you ran another marathon against 1000 people but 290 younger, champion, record breaker, professional athelete join in, but again, you placed 2nd in your age bracket. Do you see the different? YOU DO NOT PERFORM WORSE THAN YOU DID BEFORE. The competition field change and does not reflect your true performance anymore.

 

So your point is that Warhammer is still selling as many copies, because there have been 90+ other software titles that were released in the last few weeks that are selling better?

 

I am not a software sales guru by any means, but I'm pretty sure Warhammer is a rock star of a title that is selling very well for a PC game. It even beat out spore if I am correct.  

However, it is very unlikely that Warhammer is still selling the same amount it did a few weeks ago and it has only been pushed off the charts by a sudden influx of 90+ other games selling even more than pre-October Warhammer did.  It just doesn't make any sense at all.  Honestly how many copies of Nancy Drew do you think sold to rank higher than Warhammer?

 

Not that I put a terrible amount of confidence in amazon sales charts to begin with or publisher statements of "accounts created" instead of actual current subscribers.  Both are filled with terrible amounts of speculation and open to interpretation. 

 

 

That was only for one week, the next week of the sales chart showed spore outselling WAR already.

Also MMO sales especially do a strong burst sale around release time. Games like Spore will be selling in numbers for months to come.

The number of new games released in the past two weeks is less than a handful.  Warhammer is falling behind games that were out a long time.

Warhammer sold less copies this week then Animal Crossing:City Folk.

Does anyone really think the game can 'grow' with sales that low.

Originally posted by Azrile

You are missing the point.

In the first week.. Warhammer was in the top 10 of ALL games.. meaning it was selling a lot of copies. Now it is not in the top 100. This shows a drastic drop in box sales.

This has nothing to do with 'comparisons' to other games.. it has everything to do about a drastic drop in sales.

This week, warhammer is not selling anywhere near the number of boxes it sold in the first week.

Let me put it his way.. 3 weeks ago I ran a marathon against 1000 people and came in 10 place, but I placed 2nd in my 'age bracket'. This week I ran another marathon against 1000 people and came in 200th place, but again, I placed 2nd in my 'age bracket'. Is it not easy to see that I did much much worse in the second race, even though my own little bracket remained the same?
 

Let me get this straight..

A brand new game is released.. Much like an awesome car.. we'll say.. and sales pick up.. but in the end.. everyone is back to buying hondas??  By your logic, a good movie that has a great opening weekend is WORSE than it's competition released weeks later?? .. Face it.. your are a troll.

Oh.. and I loved the other comparision

"WAR hammer is an RvR game.  It's not a PvE game with 40 main raids" 

Thanks!! Here I was thinking.. Where is the PvE in my RvR game??   Next your gonna tell me a geo metro isn't designed to go 150 miles an hour..  Anything else obvious you want to state? 

Oh.. I'll go first!! The ocean is big!!

OH oh!! Umm.. Lets see..

American Money is green.

Oho. oh. I'm good at this..

.. Move on troll.. you aren't needed here. 

this proves the game is just hype ...no quality at all

WAR is doomed....DOOOOMED I tells ya!

Go troll elsewhere.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by TheSheikh

Try linking the PC games bestsellers, rather than including every other video game on the market to make things seem the sky is falling and Mythic is curling up in the fetal position.

The Warhammer Online : Age of Reckoning SE is ranked at #9 in PC game sales.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/229575/ref=pd_ts_vg_nav

 

You are missing the point.

In the first week..  Warhammer was in the top 10 of ALL games..  meaning it was selling a lot of copies.  Now it is not in the top 100.  This shows a drastic drop in box sales.

This has nothing to do with 'comparisons' to other games.. it has everything to do about a drastic drop in sales.  

This week, warhammer is not selling anywhere near the number of boxes it sold in the first week.

Let me put it his way..    3 weeks ago I ran a marathon against 1000 people and came in 10 place, but I placed 2nd in my 'age bracket'.     This week I ran another marathon against 1000 people and came in 200th place, but again, I placed 2nd in my 'age bracket'.    Is it not easy to see that I did much much worse in the second race, even though my own little bracket remained the same?

The game released three weeks ago, alot of people purchased it at release and now not as many people are buying because the launch has subsided.

It doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to figure that out.

Originally posted by Azrile

The number of new games released in the past two weeks is less than a handful.  Warhammer is falling behind games that were out a long time.

Warhammer sold less copies this week then Animal Crossing:City Folk.

Does anyone really think the game can 'grow' with sales that low.

It depends on the turnover rate.

If war sells only a thousand copies a week, and 500 people cancel their sub every week, then the game is still growing.

On Amazon.com WAR is sitting at number 3 for PC games, and the CE is sitting at number 8.

At bestbuy.com WAR is sitting at number 1 for new releases.

At ebgames.com WAR is sitting at around 20.

Ultimately yes the game is still growing as long as more users are registering for the game than are cancelling their subscription. 

Originally posted by TheSheikh

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by TheSheikh

Try linking the PC games bestsellers, rather than including every other video game on the market to make things seem the sky is falling and Mythic is curling up in the fetal position.

The Warhammer Online : Age of Reckoning SE is ranked at #9 in PC game sales.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/229575/ref=pd_ts_vg_nav

 

You are missing the point.

In the first week..  Warhammer was in the top 10 of ALL games..  meaning it was selling a lot of copies.  Now it is not in the top 100.  This shows a drastic drop in box sales.

This has nothing to do with 'comparisons' to other games.. it has everything to do about a drastic drop in sales.  

This week, warhammer is not selling anywhere near the number of boxes it sold in the first week.

Let me put it his way..    3 weeks ago I ran a marathon against 1000 people and came in 10 place, but I placed 2nd in my 'age bracket'.     This week I ran another marathon against 1000 people and came in 200th place, but again, I placed 2nd in my 'age bracket'.    Is it not easy to see that I did much much worse in the second race, even though my own little bracket remained the same?

The game released three weeks ago, alot of people purchased it at release and now not as many people are buying because the launch has subsided.

It doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to figure that out.

It's not that less people are buying it now then were buying it the first week.. its that almost nobody is buying it now.  Look at the games that sold more units this week and you'll see how few people bought the Warhammer box.  And again... RvR is already lacking on most servers.. with lower populations it will be even worse.

Originally posted by Azrile

The number of new games released in the past two weeks is less than a handful.  Warhammer is falling behind games that were out a long time.

Warhammer sold less copies this week then Animal Crossing:City Folk.

Does anyone really think the game can 'grow' with sales that low.

I've stalked these forums for a while, but you made me create an account just because you are too obvious.

What is your Agenda? What is it? You can come right out and tell us, because you're spoiling the forum space with your agenda. Why not telling us what is it?

Pete-boy, here's figures for you: www.custompc.co.uk/news/601755/top-10-pc-games-chart.html

That is boxes and digitalmedia sales included, I think.

Yes, like WoW it's sold as a downloadable too. Amazing, isn't it.

I'm sure you will question that european ranking, so here's a NA ranking for you: news.portalit.net/fullnews_spore-still-king-of-the-us-charts_1652.html

Yes, Spore is the king of the hill. And yes, it's from last week because later information isn't available.

After this evidence, I ask you again Peter. What is your Agenda?

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Thachsanh

Originally posted by Azrile

You are missing the point.

In the first week.. Warhammer was in the top 10 of ALL games.. meaning it was selling a lot of copies. Now it is not in the top 100. This shows a drastic drop in box sales.

This has nothing to do with 'comparisons' to other games.. it has everything to do about a drastic drop in sales.

This week, warhammer is not selling anywhere near the number of boxes it sold in the first week.

Let me put it his way.. 3 weeks ago I ran a marathon against 1000 people and came in 10 place, but I placed 2nd in my 'age bracket'. This week I ran another marathon against 1000 people and came in 200th place, but again, I placed 2nd in my 'age bracket'. Is it not easy to see that I did much much worse in the second race, even though my own little bracket remained the same?
 

 

Your logic and analogy have a big problem. It has everything to do with comparison to other games. Your logic only apply if the same set of game were sold. The rank drop does not mean drastic drop in box sales. That logic is wrong. The rank drop means something else got more attention. When even expansion is consider in that chart, what games will be able to compete with WOTLK? With the extablish of user base, WoW will make everything else looks small because millions of people will buy WOTLK. And also Fallout 3 is coming out and many more console games that catch more attention than PC games ever do.

Let me put it this way, 3 weeks ago, you ran a marathon 1000 people came in 10 place. You place 2nd in your 'age bracker'. This week you ran another marathon against 1000 people but 290 younger, champion, record breaker, professional athelete join in, but again, you placed 2nd in your age bracket. Do you see the different? YOU DO NOT PERFORM WORSE THAN YOU DID BEFORE. The competition field change and does not reflect your true performance anymore.

 

Yep.. actually the truth is probably in the middle of our analogy's somehwere.  Yes, the new releases have an advantage.. but there really haven't been that many of them in the past two weeks, and certainly not 1/4 of all games like you use.  You have Wrath, Fallout (4 boxes), and this bigsmallplanet thing.   The vast majority of the games that Warhammer is now selling less than are games that have been out  longer than warhammer.

I apologize, I didn't mean to be deceptive, but I just feel that when determining a games sales, it is better to use the widest possible yardstick.

 I hope you didn't mean to give misleading information but ... you did.  So im concluding either you are a liar or you are stupid.

Usually i would call people that make doom and gloom statements and provide misleading information liars but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. 

Originally posted by bcrankshaw

mmmm....sorry Azrile but I don't follow your logic

Every MMO has a peak period of sales and then it will decline considering the capricious nature of the  MMO audience .Surly you don't expect every week the sales to be the same as the first ?The fans of WAR have bought the game already ..there was an initial surge .Now the sales will vary as new people will buy it ..but it wont be like the first 2 weeks .The game has already sold 750 k  plus copies ...a very good achievement. Some people will leave the game but many will stay .WAR is doing well

I enjoyed your reviews of the AOC stock price but this post seems like an illogical and petulant attempt at trolling WAR ...and undermines your past post's as someone informed about MMO's

Now THIS is a post I can get behind.

I'm not sure there is a game out there that sustains the sales figures of the first few weeks.

Whether or not the game will trickle off to 0 sales or will maintain some level of sales remains to be seen.

But there are so many variables out there that it's hard to say what the omens are.

Are the PvP players buying it, are the PvE players buying it? Is it worth it to either group? Does it show the same drop in % of sales as an mmo would have after a few weeks. More? Less?

A little more time is needed.

Originally posted by scribe331

Originally posted by Azrile

I apologize, I didn't mean to be deceptive, but I just feel that when determining a games sales, it is better to use the widest possible yardstick.

 I hope you didn't mean to give misleading information but ... you did.  So im concluding either you are a liar or you are stupid.

Usually i would call people that make doom and gloom statements and provide misleading information liars but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. 

Whoa, wait a minute. That's a bit harsh no?

I think I can be a bit more generous and just say he made a mistake.

What is the mistake?    Warhammer sold less boxes this week then Animal Crossing: City Folk.    If anyone thinks that is enough sales to sustain the populations of servers through the drop in subs that will come when the free month is over AND the release of Wrath a month later they are crazy.  RvR is going to completely disappear on most servers.

Look at some of the names of the games ranked 75-100 and then think about Warhammer selling less then those games.   Then log into about 60% of the servers and try to RvR.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Mampi

I don't know what point your trying to make with this thread OP. Maybe you think the more copies a game sells, the better a game is. By that logic Fifa is the best game of all time because it sells so much.

 

I wish people like you would stop trolling this forum so we could have some constructive threads for once.

Face it, you have nothing to gain or lose whether this game suceeds or fails.

 

The point I'm trying to make is obvious, and I stated it in my first post.    Warhammer is mostly an RvR game.  That is where the majority of the dev time went. and that is where the 'sustainability' is.   This game simply was not built for players to do 40man PVE raids as it's main focus.

RvR has a critical mass.  If the critical mass drops too low, RvR just doesn't happen.  You already see this on many of the servers.. there aren't enough people in the RvR lakes to have a true RvR game.  Players are stuck doing scenario grinds.

Some people keep saying that things will get better because new players will fill up the servers and even out the faction inbalances.  This is just not happening.  New players are not buying boxes.   RvR lakes will continue to get less and less populated after the free month is over and again when Wrath launches.  There are not enough box sales to replace those players that are leaving.

Warhammer is RvR.. RvR requires a critical mass of players.... Many servers right now don't have that critical mass...  based on box sales, that isn't going to change and could even get worse.

I play on a Med/medium-high server, more destro than Order. I  find people to do RvR but not all the time, which is understandable. People are out doing PvE stuff or doing scenarios and crafting or just out exploring not because their isn't enough people on my server. People always think that all there is to do in this game is RvR, yes its the main focus but their are dungeons to raid hero lairs to find and other tome unlocks that give you stuff.

One of the greatest things about this game is you can level in PvE, scenarios and RvR.  RvR is the main end game which there will be plenty of people doing RvR once they hit 40 and have to max their renown. I find that I get more RP doing RvR than doing scenarios.

Anyways WAR may have dropped in Amazons sales, do you know how many % of the games were bought there.  I didn't buy my game from amazon, so you really cant base how well a game is doing just by the sales from one site.Maybe a majority of the sales have been bought in a brick and morter store or a different online store like direct to drive.

Originally posted by Azrile

What is the mistake?    Warhammer sold less boxes this week then Animal Crossing: City Folk.    If anyone thinks that is enough sales to sustain the populations of servers through the drop in subs that will come when the free month is over AND the release of Wrath a month later they are crazy.  RvR is going to completely disappear on most servers.

Look at some of the names of the games ranked 75-100 and then think about Warhammer selling less then those games.   Then log into about 60% of the servers and try to RvR.

 

Whoa, wait a minute. That's a bit harsh no?

I think I can be a bit more generous and just say he made a mistake.
 

The people rest their case.

Originally posted by Azrile

What is the mistake?    Warhammer sold less boxes this week then Animal Crossing: City Folk.    If anyone thinks that is enough sales to sustain the populations of servers through the drop in subs that will come when the free month is over AND the release of Wrath a month later they are crazy.  RvR is going to completely disappear on most servers.

Look at some of the names of the games ranked 75-100 and then think about Warhammer selling less then those games.   Then log into about 60% of the servers and try to RvR.

 

And why do you care?

Right.. ain't nothing but a troll..

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by Azrile

The number of new games released in the past two weeks is less than a handful.  Warhammer is falling behind games that were out a long time.

Warhammer sold less copies this week then Animal Crossing:City Folk.

Does anyone really think the game can 'grow' with sales that low.

I've stalked these forums for a while, but you made me create an account just because you are too obvious.

What is your Agenda? What is it? You can come right out and tell us, because you're spoiling the forum space with your agenda. Why not telling us what is it?

Pete-boy, here's figures for you: www.custompc.co.uk/news/601755/top-10-pc-games-chart.html

That is boxes and digitalmedia sales included, I think.

Yes, like WoW it's sold as a downloadable too. Amazing, isn't it.

I'm sure you will question that european ranking, so here's a NA ranking for you: news.portalit.net/fullnews_spore-still-king-of-the-us-charts_1652.html

Yes, Spore is the king of the hill. And yes, it's from last week because later information isn't available.

After this evidence, I ask you again Peter. What is your Agenda?

I give you another chance to tell your purpose, what is it?
 

I already know you will not answer to me, because you are nothing but an empty shell without anything solid to prove your point.

I'm a better Troll than you!!!

Originally posted by Zeblade

Originally posted by Azrile

For those predicting 'growth' in Warhammer over the next few months...

Warhammer has now dropped completely out of the top 100 of video game sales.  It was #1 for about 3 days, then held in the top ten for another week, then hovered in the 50 and 60s for two weeks.. but now it's no longer listed on the main games page.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_vg_ldr_videogames

Not nearly enough box sales to replace the 25ish% that Warhammer will lose in a few days when the free month is up, and another non-small loss when Wrath launches.

The critical mass needed for RvR is not being met on most servers, and isn't likely to be met any time soon.

 

Sad but true. Its something they just cant fix in month or two. Its going to take time. Its easy to level now, at level 20 you have tons of money to buy your mount then .. lol yeah..then buy what? Beta was a blast but scenarios took over and though there ok its just killing RVR.

  After that you go take your fight to the waaagh and have fun! You don't sit around banks starring at your monitor hoping the people who walk by give you some attention for proving you have no life acquire leet armour or a special mount in short period of time.

  The fact you don't need much gold after post 20 is a good thing. It makes sure there a piss poor market for gold sellers and those little turds that buy it won't feel compelled to do so. Which is great for the rest of us, as we don't get spammed when the gold sellers give up and move their attention else where.