Statisticaly speaking it has success,  750,000 registered people. and rising.

I wish i could find the numbers  of popuplation decress  in wow  on a mmo site but i cant , But it seems  people cant wait to leave wow.   So i ask , Is warhammer a wow killer ?    Much like wow was a killer to most mmos around   , 2005 ,2006 , 2007?.

Now i know one single mmo dose not actully kill another mmo because people will still play the mmo, So don't get angry or think this is meant as a post to flame people or certain mmo's. But more in terms of marketing and sells that drives the game itself , Shows weather or not the game has life or not.

In other words, if the game is on the shelf  at the stores, then it must mean the game has some life still because people are buying the mmo.

Statistically speaking, WAR is still in its first month.

Stop trolling, seriously.

Warhammer has got potential but it is not ready yet to "take over" WoW's place, in my opinion

Hardly any more significant than AoC's impact was at the moment.

No one factor is going to be a WOW killer, definitely not one MMO. If anything's going to kill it it's time and Blizzard 90% and 10% outside factors most likely.

I think WAR has the potential to pull subs out of WoW and others on a permanent basis.  I don't see WoW subs dropping below 5 million but its definitely easy going forward seeing WAR and WoW on par.  WAR has the advantage of being WoW without being WoW, ie same look and feel but new world/quests.  WoW has the advantage of content and polish.  I still rank WoW tops for MMOs but frankly I have been there done that so... I'm in WAR ;)

I just hope WAR grows slowly because there are still a lot of bugs to iron out that would put joe average off.  My personal favourites is when textures go super low mode or the joy that is the mail system or what seems to be the roll the dice right click.  I'm hoping to find some gloves of 100% right click chance soon =)

Originally posted by lorndarken

Statisticaly speaking it has success,  750,000 registered people. and rising.

I wish i could find the numbers  of popuplation decress  in wow  on a mmo site but i cant , But it seems  people cant wait to leave wow.   So i ask , Is warhammer a wow killer ?    Much like wow was a killer to most mmos around   , 2005 ,2006 , 2007?.

Now i know one single mmo dose not actully kill another mmo because people will still play the mmo, So don't get angry or think this is meant as a post to flame people or certain mmo's. But more in terms of marketing and sells that drives the game itself , Shows weather or not the game has life or not.

In other words, if the game is on the shelf  at the stores, then it must mean the game has some life still because people are buying the mmo.

What other MMOs did WoW "kill?"  I don't think it killed any.  Let's see....EQ2 and GW were released right AROUND the same time as WoW.  I know this, because I played in the open beta for all three and ultimately chose WoW of those three.  However, they're all three still up and running and experiencing success.

Since then, I have also played EQ2, EVE, and WoW at the same time, subscribing to all three of them.  I never returned to GW after the beta.

Before WoW I was playing Neverwinter Nights, which although you can play it online with others, I wouldn't call it an MMO.  Uhm...UO was out then, but UO still has a LOT of the same player base, as it's fans are pretty hardcore UO lovers.  And I too go back to see what's going on in UO and check on my guild and house, etc.

I just can't think of any HUGELY successful MMOrpg that was up and running four years ago that WoW "killed."  Maybe my memory is just bad?

Oh, and also, on the comment "it seems people can't wait to leave WoW".....that's true of some people in EVERY game, including Warhammer, EQ2, GW, whatever.  People come and go from games.  It's the nature of gaming.  Not everyone stays with one game for years and years, but....the number of people that DO, determine, to a large degree, the game's ultimate longevity and longterm successes.  Consider the original EQ, which STILL has players that have been playing for TEN YEARS.  (Maybe longer...I don't remember the release date.)

I don't think the "success" of a game can be judged just a few short weeks out of the starting gate.  I think the subscriber base has to be looked at a bit further out.  Some games are "flash in the pan" successes that make a lot of money for a few months, then slowly dwindle.  Other's last for years and years, and yet some others fall somewhere in between.  But I bet if you look at most professionally released MMOs....they ALL still have some people playing them, because all of them appeal to SOME PART of the gaming market.

There will never be a WOW "killer. First off, it is an anomoly I doubt we will see repeated.  A combination of timing and good design choices that allowed a person with a less than great computer to play, plus being backed by Blizzard, and it is a one off that will not come again.

That being said, other MMOs will have a measure of success. WAR will do fine as will AOC and the others that are soon to come. Each will capture their small piece of the market segment.

 WAR has a lot of potential, already a big player base, and will do great. But there's no such thing as a "WoW killer".

One word.... no. 

My guess is... WAR settles in at 500K subs.... respectable, but no WOW killer.

the only thing thats going to "kill" wow is time, eventually people will leave for new experiences, whether they be in rl or an mmo... but even when it will be considered "dead" by many, it will still have its hardcore player base. Look at eq, the only thing keeping it alive is its hardcore players.

WaR will never be a WoW killer because the game is too different from wow.

AoC could have been a treat since its basically WoW with a better graphics and combat system. Rest of the game follow the traditional WoW structure. But AoC was too poorly made and too empty to be a serious danger to WoW.

WaR dont use the WoW way of doing things. You dont really lvl by doing quests. There will be little PvE raiding. Crafting is practically non existen. What WaR have is RvR RvR RvR and it does is soo well but its also a specialized game type for a more limited population of gamers.

It doesnt even cater to the traditional PvPer since there is little chance to go out and be nasty to other players. RvR is warfare not ganking.

       Warhammer a WOW killer LMFAO!!!!! Warhammer should be happy to be able to take WOWs trash out. In fact in 6 months WOW will see Warhammer at a busy intersection and Warhammer will run up and try to wash WOWs windshields and WOW will tell Warhammer to get away from their car but will still give Warhammer like 5 bucks to get themselves something to eat but Warhammer will probably spend it on booze.

Only time will reduce WoW subs. Players will move on when they get tired of it.

New players coming into the MMOrpg genre wont even look at wow due to dated graphics in the next 2-5 years.

If anyone here thinks WoW killed any mmo you're freaking crazy. EQ lost subs due to age, so did UO.

once games look dated its over, their populations shrink to only house the games true fans and people move onto the newer games.

Right now WoW still looks decent so players will play it, but let me ask you this do you think the new mmo players will play WOW 2-3 years down the road when the New MMOs look like Gears of war? I doubt it.

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by lorndarken

Statisticaly speaking it has success,  750,000 registered people. and rising.

I wish i could find the numbers  of popuplation decress  in wow  on a mmo site but i cant , But it seems  people cant wait to leave wow.   So i ask , Is warhammer a wow killer ?    Much like wow was a killer to most mmos around   , 2005 ,2006 , 2007?.

Now i know one single mmo dose not actully kill another mmo because people will still play the mmo, So don't get angry or think this is meant as a post to flame people or certain mmo's. But more in terms of marketing and sells that drives the game itself , Shows weather or not the game has life or not.

In other words, if the game is on the shelf  at the stores, then it must mean the game has some life still because people are buying the mmo.

 

What other MMOs did WoW "kill?"  I don't think it killed any.  Let's see....EQ2 and GW were released right AROUND the same time as WoW.  I know this, because I played in the open beta for all three and ultimately chose WoW of those three.  However, they're all three still up and running and experiencing success.

Since then, I have also played EQ2, EVE, and WoW at the same time, subscribing to all three of them.  I never returned to GW after the beta.

Before WoW I was playing Neverwinter Nights, which although you can play it online with others, I wouldn't call it an MMO.  Uhm...UO was out then, but UO still has a LOT of the same player base, as it's fans are pretty hardcore UO lovers.  And I too go back to see what's going on in UO and check on my guild and house, etc.

I just can't think of any HUGELY successful MMOrpg that was up and running four years ago that WoW "killed."  Maybe my memory is just bad?

Oh, and also, on the comment "it seems people can't wait to leave WoW".....that's true of some people in EVERY game, including Warhammer, EQ2, GW, whatever.  People come and go from games.  It's the nature of gaming.  Not everyone stays with one game for years and years, but....the number of people that DO, determine, to a large degree, the game's ultimate longevity and longterm successes.  Consider the original EQ, which STILL has players that have been playing for TEN YEARS.  (Maybe longer...I don't remember the release date.)

I don't think the "success" of a game can be judged just a few short weeks out of the starting gate.  I think the subscriber base has to be looked at a bit further out.  Some games are "flash in the pan" successes that make a lot of money for a few months, then slowly dwindle.  Other's last for years and years, and yet some others fall somewhere in between.  But I bet if you look at most professionally released MMOs....they ALL still have some people playing them, because all of them appeal to SOME PART of the gaming market.

you missed my point entirely dude, in terms of market sells , like economicly speaking  from a store point of view  which my entire post was about, its not about weather people still play a game, but if the game is still selling, that is what determines if the game is killed, for example,

swg

daoc

matrix online

d&d online

coh/cov

runescape

eqoa

ac

ac2

and eq  are no longer covered by stores like target or wall mart or ect , they can be bought from online and downloaded , and yes be played STILL !!!! , but in terms of marketing and sells, they are no longer comercial success,  when was the last time you saw a commercial for eq2 ? or EQOA for that matter ?

i do wonder if mythic will release a comercial  for warhammer,  maybe they will wait till the game gets polished out and then start doing commercials , but it didnt take long for wow to show commercials , because they killed the competetion,  in terms of market sells.. this is what determins if  a mmorpg has killed  another .  do you see my point ? and in question  could warhammer do the same to wow ?

  "I wish i could find the numbers of popuplation decress in wow on a mmo site but i cant , But it seems people cant wait to leave wow."

The reason you 'wish' you could find them is because they don't exist.  in July, Blizzard announced 10.7M subscribers for WOW, which is it's highest number EVER..  Four years after launch and it is still growing.  WOW continues to be in the top 10 games sold (ie new players) while Warhammer has already dropped to #62 for game sales.

Xfire has shown that WOW has held steady over the past month, while it shows Warhammer has already lost about 30% of it's max players (which was achieved the first week).

Keep wishing, but there aren't any numbers that show anything negative happening with WOW.. but there certainly are a few that show Warhammer having problems.

I dont play wow anymore and there is most likely a 0% chance I will ever renew.  WAR IMO is a far superior game.  Having said that, wow is not going anywhere anytime soon and will most likely not go away until Blizz decides it is finished with it. 

But really, Mythic did not set a goal to kill wow, they just wanted to make a great PvP / PvE game and thats what they did.   The game through patching and expansions can get even better in the months/years ahead.

Originally posted by lorndarken

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by lorndarken

Statisticaly speaking it has success,  750,000 registered people. and rising.

I wish i could find the numbers  of popuplation decress  in wow  on a mmo site but i cant , But it seems  people cant wait to leave wow.   So i ask , Is warhammer a wow killer ?    Much like wow was a killer to most mmos around   , 2005 ,2006 , 2007?.

Now i know one single mmo dose not actully kill another mmo because people will still play the mmo, So don't get angry or think this is meant as a post to flame people or certain mmo's. But more in terms of marketing and sells that drives the game itself , Shows weather or not the game has life or not.

In other words, if the game is on the shelf  at the stores, then it must mean the game has some life still because people are buying the mmo.

 

What other MMOs did WoW "kill?"  I don't think it killed any.  Let's see....EQ2 and GW were released right AROUND the same time as WoW.  I know this, because I played in the open beta for all three and ultimately chose WoW of those three.  However, they're all three still up and running and experiencing success.

Since then, I have also played EQ2, EVE, and WoW at the same time, subscribing to all three of them.  I never returned to GW after the beta.

Before WoW I was playing Neverwinter Nights, which although you can play it online with others, I wouldn't call it an MMO.  Uhm...UO was out then, but UO still has a LOT of the same player base, as it's fans are pretty hardcore UO lovers.  And I too go back to see what's going on in UO and check on my guild and house, etc.

I just can't think of any HUGELY successful MMOrpg that was up and running four years ago that WoW "killed."  Maybe my memory is just bad?

Oh, and also, on the comment "it seems people can't wait to leave WoW".....that's true of some people in EVERY game, including Warhammer, EQ2, GW, whatever.  People come and go from games.  It's the nature of gaming.  Not everyone stays with one game for years and years, but....the number of people that DO, determine, to a large degree, the game's ultimate longevity and longterm successes.  Consider the original EQ, which STILL has players that have been playing for TEN YEARS.  (Maybe longer...I don't remember the release date.)

I don't think the "success" of a game can be judged just a few short weeks out of the starting gate.  I think the subscriber base has to be looked at a bit further out.  Some games are "flash in the pan" successes that make a lot of money for a few months, then slowly dwindle.  Other's last for years and years, and yet some others fall somewhere in between.  But I bet if you look at most professionally released MMOs....they ALL still have some people playing them, because all of them appeal to SOME PART of the gaming market.

 

you missed my point entirely dude, in terms of market sells , like economicly speaking  from a store point of view  which my entire post was about, its not about weather people still play a game, but if the game is still selling, that is what determines if the game is killed, for example,

swg

daoc

matrix online

d&d online

coh/cov

runescape

eqoa

ac

ac2

and eq  are no longer covered by stores like target or wall mart or ect , they can be bought from online and downloaded , and yes be played STILL !!!! , but in terms of marketing and sells, they are no longer comercial success,  when was the last time you saw a commercial for eq2 ? or EQOA for that matter ?

i do wonder if mythic will release a comercial  for warhammer,  maybe they will wait till the game gets polished out and then start doing commercials , but it didnt take long for wow to show commercials , because they killed the competetion,  in terms of market sells.. this is what determins if  a mmorpg has killed  another .  do you see my point ? and in question  could warhammer do the same to wow ?

Actually CoX, DDO and DAoC are still sold in game shops and big stores like Walmart.

Also these games still make a good profit and are considered a success.

I'm getting tired of every god damn wow player using the same old "if you dont have 10 million subs you fail" remark. Its stupid to even debate this WoW killer crap.

Why muyst only one game be good? why must a game be killed? wtf is wrong with you people?

You don't see stupid shit like this with other genres of games, people don't say hey CoD4 is a CS:S killer.

people need to just play the games they enjoy and stop hoping for rival games to be killed.

I hope not. I'd hate to see those WoW players ruining my WAR.

Originally posted by Tyvolus

I dont play wow anymore and there is most likely a 0% chance I will ever renew.  WAR IMO is a far superior game.  Having said that, wow is not going anywhere anytime soon and will most likely not go away until Blizz decides it is finished with it. 

But really, Mythic did not set a goal to kill wow, they just wanted to make a great PvP / PvE game and thats what they did.   The game through patching and expansions can get even better in the months/years ahead.

In a nutshell this is  exactly it... Mythic is in it for the long haul. Blizz well, let's see how we can dust things up and spray a little Fabreazzzzz here and there.

Originally posted by lorndarken

Statisticaly speaking it has success,  750,000 registered people. and rising.

I wish i could find the numbers  of popuplation decress  in wow  on a mmo site but i cant , But it seems  people cant wait to leave wow.   So i ask , Is warhammer a wow killer ?    Much like wow was a killer to most mmos around   , 2005 ,2006 , 2007?.

Now i know one single mmo dose not actully kill another mmo because people will still play the mmo, So don't get angry or think this is meant as a post to flame people or certain mmo's. But more in terms of marketing and sells that drives the game itself , Shows weather or not the game has life or not.

In other words, if the game is on the shelf  at the stores, then it must mean the game has some life still because people are buying the mmo.

No.

If people really wanted to leave Wow they would have already done so. Wow will eventually die as will we all but Wow is mainly PvE game while WAR is mainly PvP.

Can anyone really see the Wow RAID guilds raiding in WAR instead?

If WAR ever reaches a million subs itshould be very happy, that would be a huge feather in Mythics hat, but it can as well go down a lot too.

Whatever happens I don't see WAR kill wow off, they don't really aim for the same players. I am not sure a game could really kill Wow even if it will start to decline sooner or later, but if a game will it will be a PvE game like Wow already is.