Actually i have to give props to the OP, he is spot on. It has been very boring. Fun for maybe the first tier then it just drops off as you hit 20, boring.. grind.. not many players at times...

Overall i think its a fair assessment.

Boring? its long ago since i played a game with that fun factor.

Buggs 1 month out and the op cries.

The game had the best mmo start ever and they cut the bugs really fast at the moment.

Originally posted by Jatwhal

Originally posted by Tyvolus

Originally posted by Jatwhal

Originally posted by Theocritus

    it almost sounds like the newer games are taking the "casual" approach a little too far........

 

This is what happens when accountants and "boards" make gaming decisions.
It's not about making games that are cutting edge and immersive anymore, it's about making $$$
 

 

maybe you should make some games for free and let us know how that all works out.

 

There's a big difference between making games as a business for profit and tyring to make profit by making games because some other company has.

The model T Ford was a great succes but thankfully cars evolved and other car makers designed their own models.

You my friend have just won this thread. Thank you so very much. QFT.

Originally posted by Battlekruse

The graphics look nothing like WoW's idk why people keep saying it but I know it's bcause they dont even have the game installed on their PC.

Maybe not look like it but they sure as hell follow the core philosphy. For instance every house one may see on the order side in every zone may just be a total copy of a house in another zone (hell i know ive noticed, and i have tried hard not to in between quests). That place with the harvest shrine?  Yeah... how many times can one flip the same "inn" model around, pasting it before it becomes evident that you need to create a new house?

Scenarios... lets see... last time i checked the way the final scores are given to you is exactly how wow does it, colors.. and all. right down to the last detail. Hell in rvr fields when you have to click on a flag.. that is exactly how wow does it.

Quests... same.. they point you to the direction you need to go, hell they show you. Tell me again how this isnt like wow?

Pet systems, at least in the form of how they look, are exactly the same as wow, mood buttons, auto attack clicky action things... and more.

I really could go on, but i think the point has been made that this is like WoW, just a different shade of paint and a very little bit more added.. thats all.

People who expected WAR to be DAoC 2 are just stupid, period.

It's a RvR game like DAoC, that doesn't mean it's going to be DAoC.

This game has some issues, but I'm enjoying it more than AoC, and the problems aren't nearly as bad.  They need to tweak stuff (like all MMOs), and the chicken mechanic needs to be altered, especially for ORvR due to the content it cuts players off from.

 You take a tactical, turn-based, tabletop game; and you try to turn it into an MMORPG... It was doomed to fail.

Here is a quote from Mark:

Folks,

First, sorry I've been away so long, I've been pretty busy on the business end of Mythic so I haven't had the time nor energy to do a lot of posting here. I'm clawing and crawling my way out tonight and I'll be catching up on my posting but then disappearing again for a bit (sorry).

So, as to this being a DAoC2 clone, I can promise you it is not that (and you guys know that I don't promise stuff). Will it have some elements found in DAoC's RvR? Yeap, sure will. Will it have some elements from DAoC's PvE system? Yeap. Will it have a ton of stuff from WH? Yeap. Will it have stuff from other PvE games? Yeap. DiD EQ/AC/WoW have elements from other MUDs/MMORPGs? Yeap. Well, you get where I'm going here. There is 0, and I mean, 0 point in doing DAoC2 wrapped in WH material. First, GW wouldn't permit it. Second, why would I take the time and expense to license and partner with GW if all I was really doing was creating DAoC2? It would have been cheaper and easier for Mythic to simply take DAoC and do DAoC2 rather than create WHDAoC.

We are creating WAR, not DAoC2, DAoC1.5 or WHDAoC. Much is going to be revealed starting by the 2nd week of March (firm date, BTW not a "planned date" ) and you guys will begin to see what I am talking about. I wish I could tell you more about but when March rolls around you will know why I couldn't. After that we really start talking and showing the game leading up to E3 in May.

I want Mythic to create the best game/MMORPG that we have ever done and that is why we choose GW and their IP. We had lots of options (think about the amount of fantasy IP out there) but we choose WH because of all the wonderful things in the IP as well as my respect for and friendship with members of the company. All the matters in the end is, as always, creating a great and glorious game set in, based on and taking place throughout the WH world. To do that we will use what game design ideas/mechanics that are necessary to make that happen. And truly, isn't that what we all want in the end?

Mark

The ancestors be praised! I just got goosebumps and Mark said this back in 2006.

You think it is boring, great. But really trying to present your opinion as fact is not something you should do. I am past my 30 days (like everyone else) and I still love the game. Does it have bugs? Yes. But I'm not getting even 1/8 of the bugs or slowdown people are complaining about. I've had maybe 4 or 5 CTD's but thats it. The game appeals to me for a number of reasons;

I work and have this thing called a life so i don't have a whole lot of time to play games. Nice to know I can log in and be on par with other people if i put in some effort.

The pvp is fun because I'm not getting 1 shotted and am not constantly seeing a grey screen within 3 seconds of engaging in combat.

It's nice to know (at least right now) that the devs are doing things for the subscribers of the game and not changing the game around to suit their own personal whims. (Most people should know what I'm talking about)

And I'd rather trust a company who did good with their first game and it is regarded as one of the best PvP based games around than a company who put tom chilton (Kalgan or Evocare from his UO days, you know the one he was lead designer for and screwed up with AoS) in charge whom if i saw him walking down the street tomorrow I'd give him a swift kick to his shins and hope I'd break them.

The PvE is weak but certainly not the worst I've seen. I will honestly say the crafting is god awful. I was in both beta for WotLK and WAR and WAR won my money because all WotLK was the same thing over again.

And to the person who said 4 well done battlegrounds are better than 20 crappy ones, I hate to tell you but WoW's battlegrounds suck...how many times has AV been changed now? It's been 3 years and they still have yet to fix the fact that alliance can jump right over the wall and pretty much bypass all of the horde army at the lower levels at the frostwolf camp. I mean they can't even fix one battleground properly. AB is weak in the simple fact that if you zerg hard enough you can force the opposite side to be completely shut out with no chance of even getting out of their starting area. WSG can be so mind numbingly boring with the flag turtles. And EotS is simply some crappy mix of the other 3.

As for the person saying 4 classes were broke I can honestly say that I've played the magus up to the beginning of tier 3 and I have done very well on damage charts. If you think magus is broken then that means you just never took the time to learn how to play one. And if you think WoW's classes are any better I got one word for you...Shaman.

Boring? Hardly. I'm having more fun in WAR than I've had in MMO's for a while now.

Of course, it also helps that I came into WAR without following its development, with  zero expectations, and with no idea if I'd even enjoy the game because I've never been much of a PvP fan at all in any of the previous MMO's I played. I decided to play it on a whim in open beta, got hooked, and am currently enjoying myself. When it stops being fun, I'll play something else. *shrug*

Originally posted by threetwosix

Wow...

This game has to be in the top 5 most boring, least intelligent and biggest let down I have ever played.  And I've played nearly everything.  This game makes WoW look difficult.  Asian Hack N Slash games are even more challenging.  But, the game being 3 year old friendly isn't why I dislike it.  EVERYTHING is bugged in one way or another.  The game is probably a year from being tuned to finish.  There are still items in the game for classes that have long since been removed from the game. 

Quests make you choose a reward even if there is only 1 reward.  Boss mobs sometimes run off only to come back fully healed.  Targetting system is unreliable.  blah blah blah...I could go on and on mentioning every aspect of the game.  Scenerios, bugged... Guild system, bugged.... Alliance system, bugged...  Your mastery tree gives bonus to abilities 3 levels before you can even get the ability to take advantage of the bonus.  WHAT?!?!? 

The community, you ask?  How is the community?  Let's just say, it seems that most of the gimps from WoW who have never played an MMO besides WoW are now playing WAR.

Anyway, I'm just a tad let down by this game.  Especially after waiting for 3 years and being a 7 year DAoC player.

I understand there will be a few of you that disagree and will choose to try and insult me in your clever little ways.  Feel free but the fact remains, WAR is weak.  It doesn't compare to WoW in PvE content and is laughable compared to DAoC in RvR.  LAUGHABLE!!

three2six

Thanks for an honest response about the state of the game. I have been waiting to see how it has been progressing as all the information so far seems to be paid reviews and fan responses. I wanted to know what the game is actually like without having to waste my hard earned money on something I might only play for a few hours.

Looks like the game still needs a lot of time to work out the multitude of bugs before I will try it.

This is a huge shame as I have been a huge fan of the Warhammer franchise since Space Hulk for 40k and pen & paper Warhammer RPG. (Demonologists are soo much fun!)

Originally posted by Clada

Originally posted by threetwosix

Wow...

This game has to be in the top 5 most boring, least intelligent and biggest let down I have ever played.  And I've played nearly everything.  This game makes WoW look difficult.  Asian Hack N Slash games are even more challenging.  But, the game being 3 year old friendly isn't why I dislike it.  EVERYTHING is bugged in one way or another.  The game is probably a year from being tuned to finish.  There are still items in the game for classes that have long since been removed from the game. 

Quests make you choose a reward even if there is only 1 reward.  Boss mobs sometimes run off only to come back fully healed.  Targetting system is unreliable.  blah blah blah...I could go on and on mentioning every aspect of the game.  Scenerios, bugged... Guild system, bugged.... Alliance system, bugged...  Your mastery tree gives bonus to abilities 3 levels before you can even get the ability to take advantage of the bonus.  WHAT?!?!? 

The community, you ask?  How is the community?  Let's just say, it seems that most of the gimps from WoW who have never played an MMO besides WoW are now playing WAR.

Anyway, I'm just a tad let down by this game.  Especially after waiting for 3 years and being a 7 year DAoC player.

I understand there will be a few of you that disagree and will choose to try and insult me in your clever little ways.  Feel free but the fact remains, WAR is weak.  It doesn't compare to WoW in PvE content and is laughable compared to DAoC in RvR.  LAUGHABLE!!

three2six

 

I think a lot of people are feeling this way, the amount of threads that bring up much of what you say is scary.

I agree.

Everyone else saying diffrent wants a game where they can log in and imediatly play a class with two to five button attacks...

If you think im imagine all this, then you better start rethink my frined, because i am right... its sad..

Its very simple.. The brain want to have good moments, its called seratonin (the brain makes this chemical to make u feel good) and so forth.. its like a drug.. killing people in pvp is like a drug for most players, so ur brain gives u the happy moments when u play a game where u kill other players.. 

You forget what realy is fun, it is not the drugs man... hahahaha

Anyway, im so glad that i know of this and can  see what a mmorpg realy is about.. woohooo. :p

Yor are all slaves, hahahahaha..

Originally posted by Kyleran

You sound a lot like me OP, former DAOC player looking for DAOC 2, similiar game but improved.

WAR is definitely not that game. Sure, it might make some folks happy, but those who really loved DAOC for what it was won't more often than not. (IMO). 

Mythic's attempt to make the game fun by making everything easy, friendly and with little grind basically built a shooter inside an MMO world. 

I know some people think this is the greatest thing ever, but not me.

 

They are the fact huh, these people 1 never bought war , two bought war and never leveled passed 16, or three bought war and soloed alot and never did well anything but maybe solo quests.

Why do i say this: 1 first dungeon boss hydra was way op,a s well as the other bosses in the first noob dungeon were a tad hard (they nerffed her like less than a week ago , thank god); 2 first lair bosses also insaine, without a doubt a challenge at max level 11 you can fight her (more so than any lvl 11 or lower mob in daoc, wow , or anyother mmo i know of minus DnD but in respect that be like a level 2 boss and its would be true then); 3 never did may teir 3 pqs becuase the lord bosses in them make, zf, strat, etc, look like wimps (they are .. overpowered), 4 never pvped , 5 never tryied to zerg a pq without a totaly stacked group in t2 and under (as once you hit t3 and over some pqs you don't zerg at all .... if you want to live); i think this sums it up. Honestly , if you have just solo quested and done a few pqs where other were doing the easy ones and left dungeons alone (oe went to them 10 levels higher) , then yeah war pve could seem rather weak; otherwise is has more challenging pve and pvp then most other mmos out there.

Tell me how pre 40 pve was so much more strong in DAOC? 

That being said it is not daoc (a ton of people said it was to make it look bad , now people say its not to make it look bad, odd no? [side note you been taking lessons from barack?])  it does require some classes (casters) to react as quickly to attacks, however, tansk have much more deep roles with CD in and well that is more important seeing as playing a tank in daoc was like watching paint dry (ps any class can cd so all class including caster can block, i block my healer a ton and when i play my healer i block other healers and nukers.)

PS at level 13 with my magus i use 9 abilities min. every pvp encounter and 6-7 MIN. for 90% of my pve. 

Originally posted by Daorok

Originally posted by Newhopes

I find the pvp in war extremely weak and boring 9 time out of 10 you can tell who's going to win before it's even begun, the system also has the same weakness as WOWs pvp with melee completely dominating the game.

 

In remark to Mele completely dominating the game like in WoW, since when have you seen a Warrior beat out a warlock, or mage. I saw 2 equally skilled, equally geared classes duke it out on the Puble Test Realm yestarday trying out the new 51 point talents, a Warrior and a Mage, mage completely destroyed the warrior with their new damn Deep freeze spell (or whatever it's called) that acts like a rogues stun. Warrior didn't stand a chance. Warlocks just dot them up and fear them and they drop. So no, mele doens't dominate in wow, over use of CC and CC breaking skills that every class has other than Shaman is what dominates that game.

Dude you realize you just showed how Giant of a noob you arE. this is fact for EVERY non noob wow player. MAGES > warriors , and have been so for at least aa year and a half and now your talking about how one beat one on the ptr , zomg new flash from 2 years ago.

And warlocks beat warriors? (who can just pop right out of that fear then be immune to it, uza nub). WARRIOR > warlocks (everyday)

That being said melee dps are the most useless of classes in WAR (others in here beza nubs) And any good player / group will tell you so. That being said they do just fine, as all classes are useful. (however, aoe> single target, you need a tank/s you need healers).

You know you can tell who is gonna win, they stick together and stop rushing by themselves, you can't fix stupid. (oh 12 lvl 10s vs 12 lvl 21s might mean somethign also).

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by Daorok

Originally posted by Newhopes

I find the pvp in war extremely weak and boring 9 time out of 10 you can tell who's going to win before it's even begun, the system also has the same weakness as WOWs pvp with melee completely dominating the game.

 

In remark to Mele completely dominating the game like in WoW, since when have you seen a Warrior beat out a warlock, or mage. I saw 2 equally skilled, equally geared classes duke it out on the Puble Test Realm yestarday trying out the new 51 point talents, a Warrior and a Mage, mage completely destroyed the warrior with their new damn Deep freeze spell (or whatever it's called) that acts like a rogues stun. Warrior didn't stand a chance. Warlocks just dot them up and fear them and they drop. So no, mele doens't dominate in wow, over use of CC and CC breaking skills that every class has other than Shaman is what dominates that game.

 

Dude you realize you just showed how Giant of a noob you arE. this is fact for EVERY non noob wow player. MAGES > warriors , and have been so for at least aa year and a half and now your talking about how one beat one on the ptr , zomg new flash from 2 years ago.

And warlocks beat warriors? (who can just pop right out of that fear then be immune to it, uza nub). WARRIOR > warlocks (everyday)

That being said melee dps are the most useless of classes in WAR (others in here beza nubs) And any good player / group will tell you so. That being said they do just fine, as all classes are useful. (however, aoe> single target, you need a tank/s you need healers).

You know you can tell who is gonna win, they stick together and stop rushing by themselves, you can't fix stupid. (oh 12 lvl 10s vs 12 lvl 21s might mean somethign also).

And i think you just showed how much of a "Noob" you are. Tossing such childish words at me will do nothing for your credibility or intelligence. Come back again when you are ready to have an actual conversation.

 i have concerns as well.  even if i did just buy a game card for the next 2 months.

all of the usa servers being in virginia is something i cant agree with ever.  i get no less than 300 ping from out here in california.  usually in the 400 range,

hence the "hey im in a scenario and nothing is happening wtf?...........  omg hit 300 times!!!" situations.  this on 10mb cable and a very well kept network on my end.

Originally posted by Daorok

 

And i think you just showed how much of a "Noob" you are. Tossing such childish words at me will do nothing for your credibility or intelligence. Come back again when you are ready to have an actual conversation.

Even a child can be correct. I may use mean and stuped head words, but you could not contest them with anything other than what . . . . calling me a child and saying on the basis of my childness my arguments now do not count and are incorrect.

So basically, I am right and you cannot counter with anything intelligent?
Well here is a tip for your esteemed self, next time call me a child and then attack my claims otherwise it is you who looks foolish.

naa naa naah nah poopy face.

PS. My statements were correct go to any wow vent and ask them , look at the wow forums, whatever, the FACTS remain that this poster set-up or insinuated false pretenses and I called him rather bluntly on them.

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by Daorok

 

And i think you just showed how much of a "Noob" you are. Tossing such childish words at me will do nothing for your credibility or intelligence. Come back again when you are ready to have an actual conversation.

 

Even a child can be correct. I may use mean and stiped head words, but you could not contest them with anythign other than what . . . . calling me a child and saying on the basis of my childness my arguments now do not count.

So basiclly, I am right and you cannot counter with anything intelligent other than that?

Well here is a tip for your esteemed self, next time call me a child and then attack my claims otherwise it is you who looks foolish.

naa naa naah nah poopy face.

just because i choose not to counter your comments, does not make you right. And your last comment just further implicates your intelligence. You could have proven me wrong in a much more mature fasion than you did, the fact that you chose not to shows you immaturaty. Therefore i see no reason to prove myself to some random person of which i've never met or heard of over an internet forum such as this. If you find a sence of accomplishement in what you've "proven" here, then more power to you.

Originally posted by Daorok

 

just because i choose not to counter your comments, does not make you right. And your last comment just further implicates your intelligence. You could have proven me wrong in a much more mature fasion than you did, the fact that you chose not to shows you immaturaty. Therefore i see no reason to prove myself to some random person of which i've never met or heard of over an internet forum such as this. If you find a sence of accomplishement in what you've "proven" here, then more power to you.

You made the claim and now you say I could prove i was right but will not because you called me a poppy head.

Well your also writing to others so for their sake prove it. (Of course you can't and are now looking for any hole to hide in. You'll only find it by claiming higher ground, an intellectual superiority, yet you never will back up your pretense and still will be wrong).

Its ok go , run, hide on the high hill.

Edit- i don't mind a dispute of opinion, but i gave you the binifit of doubt and called ya a noob (one who would not know that warriors still are favored over caster other than a mage as it has been forever), but the truth is probly more along the time that your were being less than honest in your pretense and the following post point that out quite well. Ill banter forever, bu the glove really come out with the entire honesty thing, i can't help it false statements, not matter of opinion (but statitical or factual value), just drive me mad.

Lets point out some other statitical fact about WoW atm. Pallies currently can out dps and heal (same spec at the same time) entire raids. Thats right, folk the melee class paladin can top the healing and dps meters in  raids on the live servers in wow RIGHT NOW. (PS big guilds on Illidian). Im sure this is not ment to be but so what it must mean the healer/melee hybrids are the most op hardest hitting best healing in all MMOs (there now i added a false pretense as messed up as the orginal one i set out to smash; on top of a factual statement. It is wrong, but if you tell me that calling me a noob becuase i never seen an unblanced class in an mmo before that will be nerfed then you must be wrong. After all that would make you childish).

sorry about the rant.

But really, the op experience is a far call from mine.

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by Daorok

 

just because i choose not to counter your comments, does not make you right. And your last comment just further implicates your intelligence. You could have proven me wrong in a much more mature fasion than you did, the fact that you chose not to shows you immaturaty. Therefore i see no reason to prove myself to some random person of which i've never met or heard of over an internet forum such as this. If you find a sence of accomplishement in what you've "proven" here, then more power to you.

 

 

You made the claim and now you say I could prove i was right but will not because you called me a poppy head.

Well your also writing to others so for their sake prove it. (Of course you can't and are now looking for any hole to hide in. You'll only find it by claiming higher ground, an intellectual superiority, yet you never will back up your pretense and still will be wrong).

Its ok go , run, hide on the high hill.

Since when have i ever asked anyone to prove anything. That post i made (8 days ago i may add) was purely opinion based. Never once in that post did i ever ask anyone to prove me wrong or right. You're the only one here trying to prove something because you keep replying. Since that post, i haven't once posted in this forum concerning the topic untill you decided to come along and throw a personal attack such as calling me a noob. And i had no intentions of posting anything else here either. Why? Cause personally i have better things to do. If i'm wrong, fine, i acknowledge that. Do i care? hell no. IT's a game, i play it  for entertainment. So what if i thought warriors would get their asses kicked by a warlock? Obviosly only you because you are the first to go the distance you have trying to prove me wrong and ask that i prove your statements wrong. And as for intellectual supiority, I'll be the first to admit i'm not the smartest person in the world, nor would i want to be. But seeing as how you kept lowering yourself with your comments, I felt the need to reply with a higher sence of intelligence. If you would like a serious discussion, intelligence and elitist comments set aside, i'll be more than happy to discuss things with you. But so far with each and every reply you have resorted to personal attacks on my character. Opinions are opinions, every person has a different one and trying to prove them is about the most useless thing to do. If you've felt offended by any of my coments, then i truely apologize, it's 3:00 AM here and when tired i have a tendancy to post stupid crap. And for the sake of keeping this miniature flame war from spreading, i say forget this argument and move on.