Originally posted by TenSpotting

If this game is really as good and complete as they say it is then why does it look like they do their very best to hide it from everyone as much as possible?

Why don't they let all the gaming sites and editors into the game right now to play test and write their reviews?? If the game is as good as they say than what do they have to hide??  

It would only help not hurt...

unless of course....  there's something to hide. =X

The response from the devs is that they are a small group of programmers who are making the game. They don't have the resources of the bigger companys and they don't have a PR department to advertise the game or update the website.

They will be showcasing the game at a Greek convention soon though so we should get some new information. We hope...

Originally posted by nin2010

Originally posted by TenSpotting

If this game is really as good and complete as they say it is then why does it look like they do their very best to hide it from everyone as much as possible?

Why don't they let all the gaming sites and editors into the game right now to play test and write their reviews?? If the game is as good as they say than what do they have to hide??  

It would only help not hurt...

unless of course....  there's something to hide. =X

 

The response from the devs is that they are a small group of programmers who are making the game. They don't have the resources of the bigger companys and they don't have a PR department to advertise the game or update the website.

They will be showcasing the game at a Greek convention soon though so we should get some new information. We hope...

the 16th!!!

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Thoric485

Originally posted by TenSpotting

Originally posted by Seggallion

It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.

Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.

Yeah, all those people that played that POS called Age of Conan, were soothed by the thought how much money Funcom will be able to get thanks to the hype.

Welll it's possible to do a minimum advertising without lying too. Wouldn't hurt, if it's not overly expensive.

No advertising = lying now?

Originally posted by KhaelSan

 

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Originally posted by Zayne3145

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Originally posted by Seggallion

 

It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.

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Surely that is counter-productive? I can understand not wanting to whip up a hype-storm ala WAR or AoC, but unless they start a huge marketing campaign prior to launch they're not going to get the numbers via viral methods only.

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Well they already have numbers via "viral methods" - so I really don't see the point here. 140k on the forums and 100k+ signed for beta. Those numbers speak for themselves.
 

That would be sufficient  IF   that would translate to an equal number of subscriptions. It won't.  It's aso not 140k signd up for forums and 100k+ signed up for beta. It's 140k signed up for forums 100k+ of which signed up for beta.  Will it be enough to get the game oiff to a good start? No way of knowing.

Originally posted by Shadowoak

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Thoric485

Originally posted by TenSpotting

Originally posted by Seggallion

It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.

Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.

Yeah, all those people that played that POS called Age of Conan, were soothed by the thought how much money Funcom will be able to get thanks to the hype.

Welll it's possible to do a minimum advertising without lying too. Wouldn't hurt, if it's not overly expensive.

 

No advertising = lying now?

  I mean it's possible to do a minimum advertising without lying like AoC developers did, in a reply to what Thoric said.

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Originally posted by zymurgeist That would be sufficient  IF   that would translate to an equal number of subscriptions. It won't.

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Exactly, the 100k+ signed for beta are just the most rapid fans. If the game don't dissappoint at launch, number of subs will be at least 200k.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by KhaelSan

 

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Originally posted by Zayne3145

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Originally posted by Seggallion

 

It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.

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Surely that is counter-productive? I can understand not wanting to whip up a hype-storm ala WAR or AoC, but unless they start a huge marketing campaign prior to launch they're not going to get the numbers via viral methods only.

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Well they already have numbers via "viral methods" - so I really don't see the point here. 140k on the forums and 100k+ signed for beta. Those numbers speak for themselves.
 

 

That would be sufficient  IF   that would translate to an equal number of subscriptions. It won't.  It's aso not 140k signd up for forums and 100k+ signed up for beta. It's 140k signed up for forums 100k+ of which signed up for beta.  Will it be enough to get the game oiff to a good start? No way of knowing.

Sandbox games are always more survivable than level based linear games. Being aimed at the PvP population (who are treated like the red-headed stepchildren of the MMO community) it was be more of a niche game anyway.

ALL THE BETTER!

well, we'll all find out in 3 days, hopefully. If not...beta should be this year (coming 2008)

they have to be doing something, or else they would have hyped it up to make money fast, like AoC

Nothing wrong with the game keeping it low at this moment, there is no game yet. Once this game reaches the open beta stage, it will matter.

Originally posted by TenSpotting

If this game is really as good and complete as they say it is then why does it look like they do their very best to hide it from everyone as much as possible?

Why don't they let all the gaming sites and editors into the game right now to play test and write their reviews?? If the game is as good as they say than what do they have to hide??  

It would only help not hurt...

unless of course....  there's something to hide. =X

Oh tenspotting, I don't think he's posted one thread that hasn't been related to bashing Darkfall...

No one is hiding this game. They aren't going out of their way to get you to pre-order it and suck up all your money. Anyone who goes through the area they let you go in and play it if you contact them ahead of time. They say the game will speak for itself.

Whaaaa, and honest company??

Usually companies aren't too open about their games because things change a lot and if something is different from what was promised, people throw a fit. Mythic was open about WAR and then cut some stuff that they didn't even need to mention at all, and people were complaining.

As far as Darkfall, it has been in development for so long, promises made, and broken, they can't afford to say anything and then change because it would kill what little credibility they have left. Also, might be a lot of smoke and mirrors still about this game. Beta has been imminent for several years now, hehe. Even if beta is about (or has started) it will be going on for a while since it has to be the early stages. If all goes well, probably at least 2 years for release, which is not good considering all the time spent so far. Things are bleak, but people are hopeful. They just can't afford to disclose anything. Better to keep things under wraps and people interested, than revealing all and crushing interest.

Things always change, so never really a good idea to be too open about one's game.

Originally posted by Zayne3145

For those of you that are saying word-of mouth is a valid method of marketing ... yes it is if you're a small business. Darkfall is an MMO. It is supposed to be MASSIVE by its very nature. You are not going to get huge numbers of players simply by hoping someone puts in a good word for you on a few forums, even in a global medium like the internet. Anyone with a basic grasp of business will tell you this.

yet it has a strong following. hell you've heard of it. everyone at mmorpg.com has heard of it (lolz owned). all my friends know of it (because of me!) . DF has strong word of mouth advertising.

Why spend money advertising when most of the ppl that will buy the game are already hyped to the sky about it? Waste of money at this point.

Wait 3 days and you'll hear even more

Originally posted by Vynt

Usually companies aren't too open about their games because things change a lot and if something is different from what was promised, people throw a fit. Mythic was open about WAR and then cut some stuff that they didn't even need to mention at all, and people were complaining.

As far as Darkfall, it has been in development for so long, promises made, and broken, they can't afford to say anything and then change because it would kill what little credibility they have left. Also, might be a lot of smoke and mirrors still about this game. Beta has been imminent for several years now, hehe. Even if beta is about (or has started) it will be going on for a while since it has to be the early stages. If all goes well, probably at least 2 years for release, which is not good considering all the time spent so far. Things are bleak, but people are hopeful. They just can't afford to disclose anything. Better to keep things under wraps and people interested, than revealing all and crushing interest.

Things always change, so never really a good idea to be too open about one's game.

Your second paragraph is, under-supported, exaggerated, opinionated, pessimistic speculation. So, why is it the longest paragraph in your post?

Originally posted by Vynt

Usually companies aren't too open about their games because things change a lot and if something is different from what was promised, people throw a fit. Mythic was open about WAR and then cut some stuff that they didn't even need to mention at all, and people were complaining.

As far as Darkfall, it has been in development for so long, promises made, and broken, they can't afford to say anything and then change because it would kill what little credibility they have left. Also, might be a lot of smoke and mirrors still about this game. Beta has been imminent for several years now, hehe. Even if beta is about (or has started) it will be going on for a while since it has to be the early stages. If all goes well, probably at least 2 years for release, which is not good considering all the time spent so far. Things are bleak, but people are hopeful. They just can't afford to disclose anything. Better to keep things under wraps and people interested, than revealing all and crushing interest.

Things always change, so never really a good idea to be too open about one's game.

You are showing your lack of understanding with respect to Development cycles of games, The developers have been honest all along it is conjecture from the community that missrepresents reality. (You are allowed to address Issues and change scope in a Dev Cycle and time lines are allowed to change, regardless of what is said it is called circumstance)

As to credibility I believe they have a lot. Pretty much everything you have said above just is not true, not sure what planet you live on.

They're not hiding anything.. They are focusing on development.

Originally posted by Ivan2

They're not hiding anything.. They are focusing on development.

 They've been focusing on development for the last 7 years now.

Maybe they should focus on release instead?

Originally posted by TenSpotting

Originally posted by Ivan2

They're not hiding anything.. They are focusing on development.

 They've been focusing on development for the last 7 years now.

Maybe they should focus on release instead?

though i wont be playing darkfall this is why you fail OP. they dont care about you they care about there game. They just want it to have a good response on launch not a buggy nightmare that you see on these mmos today. They dont have to worry about schedules for right now seeing as well they know only about 20K to 100K people will play this game EVER so they dont need to launch a hot mess. I want to say there not in it for the money and just the experiance but im sure the money is nice too.

Originally posted by Darcknyght

Originally posted by eq2pvpsucks

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I will not try to defend eq2pvpsucks' claim, since it is only a possibilty, even the devs have said so. However, since gear will be pretty unimportant in df, this should not serve as a deterrent to the casual gamer. Replacing your lost gear will be very easy.

Oh and Aventurine doesn't care about the size of a convention. That said, they are a small company and as such a small convention would actually be more appropriate imo.

Yeah they were even hiding it while live playtesting it at ADW. Tasos was dancing with a red thong to drag people's attention away from the game. Shaar didn't film him so that he can fool us that that they were really showing the game to people.

It's the only logical explanation, HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE!!! SEE THE TRUTH!!!! LOLZORZKROFLMAOTHXBAI

Just substituting TenSpotting.

Originally posted by Thoric485

Yeah they were even hiding it while live playtesting it at ADW. Tasos was dancing with a red thong to drag people's attention away from the game. Shaar didn't film him so that he can fool us that that they were really showing the game to people.

It's the only logical explanation, HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE!!! SEE THE TRUTH!!!! LOLZORZKROFLMAOTHXBAI

 

Just substituting TenSpotting.

Yea I saw it and I came away from it as not very impressed. True the dev's have come along way from where they started. But this game needs alot more polish and for them to say it will come out by the end of DEC tells me they are under a great deal of pressure. And we all know what happened to AOC. Its looking more and more like an AOC clone. Give it another year before release and it can shake that title and perhaps shine. If they don't...well we know how is will end.