OP:  I feel your pain mate, but I can't help but laugh at some of the scathing responses your post has generated.  What's better is that they're all correct.

Just bite the bullet and reroll on another server.  If you don't, you're not punishing Mythic, you're punishing yourself.

Not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with sadism....

Its just that I'm more of a masochist myself.

EDIT* Zorgo, you rule.

Originally posted by Manchine

So its just low servers that are the problem.  Hmmm.... and new people are coming in and playing but just not fast enough for you aye? 

Low pop servers are in my experience are loseing more players than there gaining, people normaly play to about rank 10 and see how deserted the server is and reroll to high pop server so they get the chance to do something other than pq stage 1 grinding.

Originally posted by Newhopes

Originally posted by Manchine

So its just low servers that are the problem.  Hmmm.... and new people are coming in and playing but just not fast enough for you aye? 

 

Low pop servers are in my experience are loseing more players than there gaining, people normaly play to about rank 10 and see how deserted the server is and reroll to high pop server so they get the chance to do something other than pq stage 1 grinding.

It all depends on what happens after the first month here.  If game continues to grow this won't be a problem.

Originally posted by Emotions

You may whine as much as you want but merging the servers isn't going to help much

if your side is high/full and the other side is low/medium ... don't even bother trying for an scenario ... i left desctruction just for that problem

now that i am in order in tier 2/3 i get a scenario pretty fast maximum wait time is 5 minutes. Sometimes its 5mins +  but that when most people are sleeping 5 in the morning or something

Fak scenario. I hear enough of that nonsense.

Originally posted by ryman

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Meridion

 The highelves look like crossdressers,

A humorous comment from someone who appears to play a female avatar in EVE. But back on topic.

 

Playing a female avatar and being a crossdresser isn't really the same thing... And the high elves do look stupid, they based them of the worst models from the tabletop instead of the best looking from the RPG. It is clear that destruction/Chaos got more love from Mythic and that's why more play them.

 

Last I checked roleplaying or pretending to be a woman could definitely be in the range of cross dressing. I mean, you do have to get the image down...amiright?

That's why guys playing chic avatars in-game personally freak me out about their true character. =(

Not everyone who plays a character is automatically role-playing them.

I personally don't associate myself with my characters, male, female or otherwise. Nor do I role play them.

I choose which ever character I find looks the coolest (in my opinion). It tends to be female characters at times because, in my experience, they tend to look and move better than the male characters (again, in my opinion).

So... you're creeping out over someone else playing a female character based on an assumption that may well not even be true.

OP: You realise that /who will not show an accurate number of the population? Most ppl are aware of the gold spammers and the easiest way to stop them is to go to the social window, options and check the box for hidden.

If you do this you will not show up when anyone does a /who. I know a lot of ppl have done this so they won't get a tell from "ndjytsgs: tells you: "WAR gold blah blah blah.""

I'm not saying your wrong about your server being as low pop as you say, just that using /who is inaccurate.

There's only one open RvR/RP server that I know of.  Chaos Waste, and it is Med/Med usually.  I don't find any problems qeueing for scenerios ont hat server.  I get into a battle within 15 minutes tops guarenteed.

Are you on the European servers?  If that is the case then maybe the rules and way people play is different.  But my current server is popping with Scenerios at the least.

As a general note, the populations of each server are spread thin right now between the different tiers.  This mean less action all around.  when more of the population hits tier 3 and 4, things will start to open up and feel likte week one again (when everyone was in one area fighting viciously ).

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Meridion

 The highelves look like crossdressers,

A humorous comment from someone who appears to play a female avatar in EVE. But back on topic.

 

Playing a female avatar and being a crossdresser isn't really the same thing... And the high elves do look stupid, they based them of the worst models from the tabletop instead of the best looking from the RPG. It is clear that destruction/Chaos got more love from Mythic and that's why more play them.

But back to topic, yes Both Mythic and Funcom cheats a bit with the numbers for the servers, we should se the numbers of players online, not what the company is low, mid or high. Have the numbers be green on low, white on med and red on high too, then you really get the idea better how big the server is and ca chose the one you wants.

In the end it is the same thing.

You are playing, acting, fighting as someone of the other sex, this is a crossdressing situation.

Remember, crossdresser is not equal to gay, well, I dont belive sexual lables anyway.

I prefer Chaos and Dark Elfs for the lore, but some faces of High Elf males are even more dramatic, expressive, melancholic and darker than DE males characters if you forget the gothic/pop cliche.

It seems this "feminine" Elf male issue is stronger in US.

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Originally posted by WSIMike

 

Not everyone who plays a character is automatically role-playing them.

I personally don't associate myself with my characters, male, female or otherwise. Nor do I role play them.

I choose which ever character I find looks the coolest (in my opinion). It tends to be female characters at times because, in my experience, they tend to look and move better than the male characters (again, in my opinion).

So... you're creeping out over someone else playing a female character based on an assumption that may well not even be true.

But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser.

Keep in mind, this is not a moral issue for me, you should do what you think it is good for you.

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Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by WSIMike

 

Not everyone who plays a character is automatically role-playing them.

I personally don't associate myself with my characters, male, female or otherwise. Nor do I role play them.

I choose which ever character I find looks the coolest (in my opinion). It tends to be female characters at times because, in my experience, they tend to look and move better than the male characters (again, in my opinion).

So... you're creeping out over someone else playing a female character based on an assumption that may well not even be true.

 

But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser.

Well, I can't help what/how others think.

If someone's hung-up with people playing a character of the opposite sex, then that's their problem.

Perhaps *they* can't play a character without feeling they're somehow associated with it... I personally don't have that problem. When I'm talking to someone, I'm talking to the player, not their character. The character is merely a bunch of pixels on the screen.

And I disagree with your assessment in another post of what cross-dressing is. Cross dressing is a male dressed as a female, or vice versa. In a game, you're playing a female character dressed as a female.. or a male dressed as a male.

Does that mean if the player is controlling, say... a canine character that they're into pretending they're an animal?

Again, you're assuming some connection between the player and the character that the player doesn't necessarily have them self. Now.. I know some people *are* like that. But, the issue here seems to be on how you perceive them.. not how they're actually behaving.

Originally posted by WSIMike

 

Well, I can't help what/how others think.

Yes, you can, it is the way you represent yourself in a virtual universe using a character.

If someone's hung-up with people playing a character of the opposite sex, then that's their problem.

Perhaps *they* can't play a character without feeling they're somehow associated with it... I personally don't have that problem. When I'm talking to someone, I'm talking to the player, not their character. The character is merely a bunch of pixels on the screen.

And it is also the represetantion of your role in a roleplaying game.A crossdresser is not a woman ( in this case where we are talking about male players as female characters ) is a man representing his role as a woman, what is not exacly related to erotism or pure social man/woman role...like a man representing his role as a female heroin in a roleplaying game.

And I disagree with your assessment in another post of what cross-dressing is. Cross dressing is a male dressed as a female, or vice versa. In a game, you're playing a female character dressed as a female.. or a male dressed as a male.

But you are a male playing as a female, the crossdresser is not the character , but crossdressing is the atitude of you as a male using a virtual female caracter/clothers representing your role and image in a social environment, we are not talking about single player games here, but social rpgs.

Does that mean if the player is controlling, say... a canine character that they're into pretending they're an animal?

In a roleplaying game yes, but it is a bit different if we take the social role, in a mmo it will be obvious for everyone that there is a human behind the canine... but in a fantasy setting, yes, somehow you are pretending to be an animal...someone that plays with a greensking is somehow, even in a light way, pretending to be an orc, but the gender has more weight in the social indentification for obvious reasons.

Again, you're assuming some connection between the player and the character that the player doesn't necessarily have them self. Now.. I know some people *are* like that. But, the issue here seems to be on how you perceive them.. not how they're actually behaving.

Im not assuming anything, Im not assuming what are your feelings about that, why you do that etc.

I understand the OP.

I play on a Dest/order: Med/Low server.

I started playing WAR just about 8 days ago. From rank 1-11, leveling was really fun and filled with action everywhere. It was a great combination of Pvp and Pve. Since I've gotten into tier 2 however, I havn't been able to join a scenario (the first thing I do when I get online is to queue up for all scenarios). I just got to level 20, and I'm heading into tier 3, I havn't played one single scenario on tier 2.

But I accept that, because I hope it will improve, and because I'm playing in a great guild I still think it's fun :)

I also agree that the servers should be merged. They shouldn't have started up the game with so many servers, spreading the population of players so uber-thin. Hopefully that Xp/renown bonus will pull more players into the more low-populated servers, but yeah that will probably just balance the population, not increase it. :(

Just have to give it time, and let mythic figure things out.

I said the male elves looked like crossdressers. Crossdressers are not automatically gay, they are not automatically associated with any type of erotic behaviour.

For the male/female avatar discussion. I think the male models in 90% of the games look stupid. They are, in 90% of the cases, muscle packed wardrobes with small brains. I would choose a male over a female avatar any day if they looked as cool as Geralt from the Witcher. Slender, tall with a worn face and high chin bones. You can pretty much have this only in Asian MMOs, and I'm not quite a grind-lover as you might know by now.

So basically, if I wanna play a character that looks cool I have to roll a female one. The guys that try to categorize people by the avatar gender they choose are really creepy btw. If I play as a spider in LotRO PvMP, do I have serious problems with my sexual orientation?

Oh and BTW Kyleran, if you create and show me a male Achura that doesn't look like an Asian Kung Fu kid on crack or an asian kung Fu grampa on ritalin, I will think about your argument *g*

M

 Meh, I always disliked the feminine-looking emo males that Meridian seems to like. That's one reason why I'm not touching an Asian MMO with a 10-foot pole.

I said nothing about Emo, emo is a mindset/clothing/music/subculture style, body architecture is genetic and training-dependend.

I don't like Emo style either btw.

 My bad, the mention of "Asian MMOs" put the image in my head.

Originally posted by Frostbite05 

honestly yea no one does care because a good majority don't experiance what you are. If its that bad just roll another server.

Perhaps you should at least take a count of the number of low-med servers to compare it to the number of heavy-full servers before you start making claims of what the majority are experiencing and what they may or may not care about.

I think you may be surprised just how many servers fall into the low-med range.  I know it is not prime time, but right now there is only 1 server that is above medium.

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by WSIMike

 

Not everyone who plays a character is automatically role-playing them.

I personally don't associate myself with my characters, male, female or otherwise. Nor do I role play them.

I choose which ever character I find looks the coolest (in my opinion). It tends to be female characters at times because, in my experience, they tend to look and move better than the male characters (again, in my opinion).

So... you're creeping out over someone else playing a female character based on an assumption that may well not even be true.

 

But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser.

Keep in mind, this is not a moral issue for me, you should do what you think it is good for you.

 

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Umbral:  I appreciate the even handed manner in which you've approached this discussion, and I hope that I can follow your example.  Honestly, its doubtful that I will, but I promise to try.

Stated simply, I disagree with your assertion...

"But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser."

Thats not to say that its not true for SOME, but it is certainly not true for ALL.  Anyone who is an MMO veteran knows that 90% of the female characters he sees are being played by males.

With that said, its not the perceptions of others that determines the reality of the behavior.  Crossdressing is not about the observers.  Crossdressing is about the crossdresser.  If I put on my wife's baggy Red Sox hoodie and think nothing of it, am I crossdressing?  No.  I've seen a video online of fat rednecks in pink tutus playing mud football.  It was some charity event.  Are they crossdresssers?  No.  But a real crossdresser could take that same tutu home at the end of the day and have a good time.

I guess what I'm trying to say is its the motivations and intent of the player that answers the question: are you crossdressing when you dye your pretty little elf's robe robin's egg blue? 

There are many reasons to play a female character as a male.  Whether you prefer to look at an attractive females ass wiggle as you run around the realms, or you think the male models are prissy, or you are a huge fan of Arwen or Lara Croft, or any other female icon.  It makes no difference.

You're not crossdressing unless you intend/appreciate/enjoy assuming the role of a female.

Well, I've made it this far, and I think I've done a hell of a job of being respectful.  Please accept this question as the honest curiosity it really is...

Why are you so passionate about the subject?  Were you burned by a male who masqueraded as a female player?

Actually I never met anyone who assumed I was any kind of weirdo in the games I chose female avatars. People naturally assume you are just playing a female because you think the model looks cooler. I never hid the fact that I was male RL and 99% of the experienced gamers take for granted that you're not. So you start pretty much on equal levels... I don't see any _real_ issue here, I mean one that actually manifests into a problem ingame.

M

BTW: As some friends had the same problems with the openRvR server we were on (German/european to answer the question above) we switched to a "normal" ruleset server with lower destruction population, but waiting queues. Was the only choice besides quitting the game entirely I guess...

Originally posted by BinaryDigit

 

Umbral:  I appreciate the even handed manner in which you've approached this discussion, and I hope that I can follow your example.  Honestly, its doubtful that I will, but I promise to try.

Stated simply, I disagree with your assertion...

"But people that play with you and do not know you in RL will always associate you with your character, so in some ways you are a virtual crossdresser."

Thats not to say that its not true for SOME, but it is certainly not true for ALL.  Anyone who is an MMO veteran knows that 90% of the female characters he sees are being played by males.

Yes, I agree most players knows that usually there is a man behing a female character, but as I said, a male playing as a female character.

With that said, its not the perceptions of others that determines the reality of the behavior.  Crossdressing is not about the observers.  Crossdressing is about the crossdresser.  If I put on my wife's baggy Red Sox hoodie and think nothing of it, am I crossdressing?  No.  I've seen a video online of fat rednecks in pink tutus playing mud football.  It was some charity event.  Are they crossdresssers?  No.  But a real crossdresser could take that same tutu home at the end of the day and have a good time.

See, Im not presuming anything beyond a male player using the virtual image/clothes of a female character, this in my eyes is a "virtual crossdressing", it is not related to sexuality, desire to be a woman or anything, just the fact of a simple virtual crossdressing, nothing more.

In my eyes these rednecks were crossdressing... see, when I talk about it, I only mean the cross between genders in clothes or costumes, even in a silly way, nothing more.

I guess what I'm trying to say is its the motivations and intent of the player that answers the question: are you crossdressing when you dye your pretty little elf's robe robin's egg blue? 

There are many reasons to play a female character as a male.  Whether you prefer to look at an attractive females ass wiggle as you run around the realms, or you think the male models are prissy, or you are a huge fan of Arwen or Lara Croft, or any other female icon.  It makes no difference.

Yes, I understand that, this is why I never said anything about the reasons behind this atitude.

You're not crossdressing unless you intend/appreciate/enjoy assuming the role of a female.

Just the fact you are using clothes/virtual avatar of a female you are crossdressing, Im not trying to say you are acting as a shemale, or you want to be a female or you are gay, but even if the player is only playing as a female character because it looks cooler, well, he is appreciating the role of looking cool... as a female character.

Well, I've made it this far, and I think I've done a hell of a job of being respectful.  Please accept this question as the honest curiosity it really is...

Why are you so passionate about the subject?  Were you burned by a male who masqueraded as a female player?

Im not exacly passionate about it, but I find this subject somehow interesting when we talk about social behavior and mmos. About the second question, not at all, I  play with my wife  and I have some frieds that are indeed crossdressers in RL (some of them are gays some are not), lesbians, shemales...so, I dont talk about it in a bitter way, I think it is pretty normal this kind of virtual crossdressing in games, I play as a male character, but I understand the reasons behind some people play as the opposite gender, sometimes it is related to sexuality (more than people talk about it to tell the truth) sometimes not.

I noticed a lot of gamers are defensive about that, but what Im calling (virtual) crossdressing here is just the simple fact of a man behind a female character in a social game, nothing more...