Originally posted by MrVicchio

The problem is that too many try to PLAY WAR as WoW instead of ya know...

 

Playing WAR as WAR.

WoW is to WoW as War is to Boring.

"These crybabies who show up blubbering about chat are really getting on my nerves. What they are basically asking is, "why can't I be bored and spend all day endlessly chatting with other 12 year olds like in WOW?"

This sums up all whining. "It's not like WOW!" That's it folks. In a nutshell. These whiny nancy boys will add subterfuge and fog but we all know why they are crying rivers of tears; they want WOW.

No. No. You're not getting WOW. This is WAR...not "bored and chatting with 12 year olds."

Nothing wrong with wanting a bit of social interaction in a game like this.

And the whole 12 year old thing, come on, kind of assinine...get it? That's why there is a donkey up there!

I work together more in War than I ever did in WoW. Chatting was never my thing so much.

I like WAR because it's not wow. Yesterday I participated in a huge battle which came totally random and it was a great deal of fun. I dont have to be top level to have a chance to enjoy the game in it's depth. I laid siege weapons and we've had overran by the order but the point is that it was instant, random, fun.

There are children in every mmo. It's your choice who you get in contact with.

If people are saying we're playing the game wrong, how am i supposed to play this game ?

I try to do pq's while being queued for a scenario, usually get stuck on the 1st part as there is no one else around, which make it an awful boring grind.

Also I have been wandering about RvR areas but there is hardly anyone there either.

No clue where people are hanging out atm to be honest. Or are they all locked up in scenarios ?

So please enlighten me :).

Originally posted by geetornsage

These crybabies who show up blubbering about chat are really getting on my nerves. What they are basically asking is, "why can't I be bored and spend all day endlessly chatting with other 12 year olds like in WOW?"

This sums up all whining. "It's not like WOW!" That's it folks. In a nutshell. These whiny nancy boys will add subterfuge and fog but we all know why they are crying rivers of tears; they want WOW.

No. No. You're not getting WOW. This is WAR...not "bored and chatting with 12 year olds."

We heard the same complaints about LOTRO and AoC.

To quote GW director and head programmer Jeff Strain: "We are not aiming to take Wows players, because if you love Wow there is only on game for you: Wow. Guildwars 2 targets a different market".

You cant just buy a new MMO and hope it's like Wow but with a bit updated graphics, not even Blizzards next MMO will be like that even if it's Wow 2.

All that said, a good chatting function is actually a good thing for an MMO and I am willing to bet WAR will get a better one in the nearest months. For one thing you could easier get groups and people for PQ, the current system promotes a we and them feeling for players on the same side.

1. Wow is populated by the largest cross section of gamers of any game, therefore trying to pigeon hole them is pointless.

2. Generally speaking when people leave a game to try a new game its because they are looking for something their game doesnt provide to their satisfaction.

3. War has more issues than its crap chat channels, so trying to pin discontent on that solely is full of fail.

4. Considering Wow is filled with casuals,raiders,former eq1'ers,daoc'ers,ac'ers,and most other mmo'ers trying to pin all that is bad/wrong in the mmo world on them is full of fail. I will say Wow had some of the most inane chat ever to be endured. However i think anyone who played eq1 with its fractionary subs is looing back with rose colored glasses and forgetting how inane its chat was. There may not have been murlock or chuck norris lameness but the nonsensical babble was still there.

5. If you plan to continue playing Mmo's, get use to the "wow" crowd. Many are longtime players and those that are new members are going to be the fuel for the industry for the next 5+ years untill a new crop begins to emerge.

TLDR: suck it up and get use to the new mmo world or quit for 10 years and hope it's more to your liking.

Originally posted by finnmacool1

TLDR: suck it up and get use to the new mmo world or quit for 10 years and hope it's more to your liking.

Actually, the alternative is to find either a old or a very different game. EQ still have quite a few players and UO also so you could go back to them, no wow players there, or at least very few.

This thing might be a generation gap between 25+ players from the old games and wow players, who while they have all ages, still have the biggest amount of young players in the genre.

Originally posted by geetornsage

These crybabies who show up blubbering about chat are really getting on my nerves. What they are basically asking is, "why can't I be bored and spend all day endlessly chatting with other 12 year olds like in WOW?"

This sums up all whining. "It's not like WOW!" That's it folks. In a nutshell. These whiny nancy boys will add subterfuge and fog but we all know why they are crying rivers of tears; they want WOW.

No. No. You're not getting WOW. This is WAR...not "bored and chatting with 12 year olds."

 

I may not have said it quite the same way but I do love the "Nancy boy" reference. I have not heard that one in years.

Play War for what it is WAR. It is not: WoW, EQ2, LoTRO, AC, EQ, SWG, FFXI, etc, etc, etc it is WAR. Most complaints about WAR that I have seen are complaining about what WAR is not. Play it for what it is and you might just have fun. If you want to prance around like a little fairy picking peace bloom talking about chuck Noriis play WoW! J/K ( I actually think WoW is a great game but I am glad not all mmos are WoW)

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by finnmacool1

TLDR: suck it up and get use to the new mmo world or quit for 10 years and hope it's more to your liking.

Actually, the alternative is to find either a old or a very different game. EQ still have quite a few players and UO also so you could go back to them, no wow players there, or at least very few.

This thing might be a generation gap between 25+ players from the old games and wow players, who while they have all ages, still have the biggest amount of young players in the genre.

True there is that :).

My main point is all this anti wow bs isnt really wow related. Wow has the largest amount of ALL players in the genre. Hardcore, casual,raiders,kiddies, it doesnt matter. Trying to pin shortcomings of a game on players nerver works, look at vanguard.

War isnt a terrible game, but it is inferior to Daoc, a game released 7 years ago as well as many others.

It has its place in the scheme of things and im sure many think its the bees nees. Six months from now it might be release quality and content.

 God another post whining about people whining!

lol

WHY CANT IT BE BETTER THAN WOW? LOL 

Not sure why WoW is so hated.  Blizzard did so many right things with that game.  They were also very adaptable in changing and rebalancing things.  They also were huge thieves stealing and idea that they thought was useful.  That made one of the best interfaces in MMOs.

WoW is hated because it's popular and played by millions...

People here don't seem to want to be part of something big, they want to be special.....

Warhammer ain't WoW, don't worry, it's more like DAOC2 painted with warhammer IP on it.... sigh when will people learn that simple truth? I'm not saying it's bad because of it either btw.

Originally posted by zimmy910

If people are saying we're playing the game wrong, how am i supposed to play this game ?

I try to do pq's while being queued for a scenario, usually get stuck on the 1st part as there is no one else around, which make it an awful boring grind.

Also I have been wandering about RvR areas but there is hardly anyone there either.

No clue where people are hanging out atm to be honest. Or are they all locked up in scenarios ?

So please enlighten me :).

Seems nobody is up to the challenge? So many people post here saying "no no, you're playing the game wrong" but ask them to put their money wher their mouth is, and they disappear.

Truth is, the only "right" way to play this game is to roll on a High/High population server, or reroll to one if you are trying to play elsewhere. Remember folks, the heavy dependency on population for much of WAR's gameplay is the players' fault, so stop breaking this game and jump on the bandwagon to the high pop servers! What were you assholes thinking anyways, that you'd be able to enjoy a game without queues? Or maybe you expected low pop servers to actually grow? Stupid noobs! ;)

Originally posted by altairzq

Same logic as "better not to have official forums because there are trolls". Silly logic. Better say "I will swallow everything Mithyc throws at me".

You are so, so bitter. 

99% of those whiners are most likely still playing WoW?.

World Of WhineCraft!. Hawt haaawt haaaaaaawt!.

Originally posted by Mercscythe

The number one trend I see people using to defend this game seems to be that people, some how, are just playing it "wrong."  If I can in fact play a MMORPG wrong, there is something fundamentally flawed in its game design.  People aren't playing WAR wrong, some people just don't like the game.  Now, some people are dicks and come on the forums saying how shitty it is so they can get a reaction out of all you (and they do a great job).  What I am tired of is people posting reviews that don't paint WAR in the greatest light but do review the game "respectfully" if you will.  The next five comments on that person's post will be telling them what they did wrong or whatever.  The reviewer didn't do anything wrong, they just don't like the damn game.  When someone thinks it plays like WoW, just stfu because that is how they feel.  No amount of convincing will change peoples' opinions. 

I just don't get it.  This forum is for discussing the game, the good and the bad.  So, when someone comes on and is all on WAR's balls about how great a game it is and much they love it, people don't hulk out in nerd rage.  Yet, one someone just as bias comes on bashing the game, some of you feel the need to rip that person a new one.  Hypocrisy much?  Neither perspectives offer constructive feedback because they are so bias, yet only one receives large amounts of negative feedback.   That's just my take on  things.  WAR wasn't my game, but I'm glad people are enjoying it.  Some of you just need to come to terms with the fact that you're going to see the really good and the really bad. 

One more question that I've always wondered about in general about game forums:  why do some people feel obligated to flame/defend video games?  Has always seemed rather odd to me.  I can see discussing them, but the flame wars you find on these types of forums in general are rather sad and humorous at the same time. 

 

You mean people defending a game against people bashing it?? while people not going out of their way to bash a game??? LIES!!

Originally posted by Mercscythe

The number one trend I see people using to defend this game seems to be that people, some how, are just playing it "wrong."  If I can in fact play a MMORPG wrong, there is something fundamentally flawed in its game design.  People aren't playing WAR wrong, some people just don't like the game.  Now, some people are dicks and come on the forums saying how shitty it is so they can get a reaction out of all you (and they do a great job).  What I am tired of is people posting reviews that don't paint WAR in the greatest light but do review the game "respectfully" if you will.  The next five comments on that person's post will be telling them what they did wrong or whatever.  The reviewer didn't do anything wrong, they just don't like the damn game.  When someone thinks it plays like WoW, just stfu because that is how they feel.  No amount of convincing will change peoples' opinions. 

I just don't get it.  This forum is for discussing the game, the good and the bad.  So, when someone comes on and is all on WAR's balls about how great a game it is and much they love it, people don't hulk out in nerd rage.  Yet, one someone just as bias comes on bashing the game, some of you feel the need to rip that person a new one.  Hypocrisy much?  Neither perspectives offer constructive feedback because they are so bias, yet only one receives large amounts of negative feedback.   That's just my take on  things.  WAR wasn't my game, but I'm glad people are enjoying it.  Some of you just need to come to terms with the fact that you're going to see the really good and the really bad. 

One more question that I've always wondered about in general about game forums:  why do some people feel obligated to flame/defend video games?  Has always seemed rather odd to me.  I can see discussing them, but the flame wars you find on these types of forums in general are rather sad and humorous at the same time. 

 

Wow.  You just said everything I could possibly want to say in regards to this long and tired "debate," and the whole gaming forums "thing."

I think perhaps I, for one, need to take a break from these forums.  Thank you.

Originally posted by geetornsage

These crybabies who show up blubbering about chat are really getting on my nerves. What they are basically asking is, "why can't I be bored and spend all day endlessly chatting with other 12 year olds like in WOW?"

This sums up all whining. "It's not like WOW!" That's it folks. In a nutshell. These whiny nancy boys will add subterfuge and fog but we all know why they are crying rivers of tears; they want WOW.

No. No. You're not getting WOW. This is WAR...not "bored and chatting with 12 year olds."

 

I haven't seen anyone say they want tthe game to be more like WOW.  I've heard just the opposite, that people who have played WOW are looking for something different and so they give WAR a shot.  So I think your post if off the mark.

I have a feeling you are one of the people who see WOW in every game and every comment.   The world does not revolve around WOW.  Your post serves nothing more than to perpetuate your own angst.

Game reminds me of DAOC more than any other game.  WoW copied from DAoC (and a few others) maybe thats where people see WoW in WAR.

Guess everyones just to new to the genre to remeber the ole EQ vs DAoC days.  And the "who will be the EQ killer" obsession.

And im afraid ur wrong Terranah. The mmorpg world does revolve around WoW just like it revolved around EQ. And itll do so till another PvE grind comes out.

History always repeats itself.