Originally posted by xsarkaix

Originally posted by Azrile

Yep.. there are only 2 things hurting Warhammer right now

1. Scenarios are a much better thing to do to 'advance' your character, which leaves minimal people willing to run across a zone to do RvR.  It's much 'better' to just pve until a scenario procs.

2. Server population imbalances further restrict RvR.  On many, if not most servers, the factions are imbalanced which means that if you do run across the zone to get into the RvR area, you are more than likely to steamroll, or get steamrolled.

They need to nerf the rewards from scenarios and merge servers to where most of the servers are high/high.  The emphasis of this game was based around large group RvR.  There just is not enough replayability in scenarios and pve to make the game fun.

To the other poster who asked what is different between this and other games.. I'll compare it to WOW.   In WOW, the endgame is built around pve progression mostly.  You do 5 mans, then you do heroics, then you do 10 mans, you do daily quests and you gain faction reputations.  There is a very long and balanced endgame progression (pve side).  The thing is.. Warhammer wasn't designed to offer that type of endgame progression (pve), instead it was supposed to offer the big RvR progression.  But that is simply not happening since people are grinding away in scenarios and doing PVE.  There is no real 'endgame' progression for what players are spending the majority of their time doing (pve and scenarios).  It's kinda like when you buy a big toy for your kid.  You spend hours building this great big toy, only to find out your kid spent more time playing with the box it came in.

Scenario grind to rank 40 then scenario grind to rr 80 then raid enemy city OVER AND OVER AND OVER its the only way to get the best gear in the game

I know what your saying but one thing i will point out that i have also said, RR80 gear is not better then PVE gear. The legendary RR 75 set is worse then lvl 25 greens.. sure it has some set bonuses but the stats themselves is terrible.. If you don't believe me go check the far south in IC you will see that the RR75 Legendary chest piece has stats like +10str +5init +8 wounds +9willpower.

so maybe they will change it later or maybe they won't, but as it stands now your best gear comes from killing the city king and pve.

Originally posted by xsarkaix

If u have seen any more of my other posts you will get the message I am a huge war fanboi.

I have ce and both osg and atlas

i dont feel like writing a review because most of u dont care

Ask any questions if u want.   I will try to give a balanced answer.

Basically Scenarios ruined this game.

Basically bg from lvl 1 - 40 then bg till renown rank 80 then kill enemy boss

pve = a strait line from chap 1 to 22  no joke

People who care and/or thinking of buying or just people who are letdown pls post 

I am sorry you got dissapointed by this game. It happens with many things in life.  Games arent different.

I do have fun with WAR but I totally understand some people wont.

Much luck in any other game and I hpe you to have much fun!!! (After all, we play games for the fun).

Anyway, I do have a question for you: which is your rank 40 toon?  I see your marauder is just 30 but you seem to know all tier 4... so... which is your 40?

Ive been following this very issue for a few days on several sites. I must say that yes on my server at least in T1-T3 its the same, everyone in scenarios.

Simple solution:

Make scenarios Renown only

Make PQs Exp/inf as they are and bump xp a bit

Make open RVR the only way to combo get renown and exp. here is the deal, if you have a constant battle for a keep, trust me, I get tons of renown out of defending a keep and attacking a keep. XP in scenarios is cutting into this because I get 1k xp per minute on a scenario according to the end stats of each scenario. not as much if i am on losing side. but the numbers are there. Look at tier 2, no one runs phoenix gate because it takes too long to finish and the xp isnt as much as mourkain temple, which by the way the longest fight in there the last 3 days I have played lasted just over 8 minutes. add to that the queue time is less then 2 minutes to get back in. its crazy.

hmm, my view of the game is really different from a lot of you guys.  IMO, scenarios are the best parts of the game.  I agree they take lots of players out of the rvr area,  but they are also the best way to lvl.  Since I am order, I am outnumbered everywhere I go, and since I play on a open server, they are all 10 lvl higher then me.  Scenarios are even matches and this is where the fun is at.

 I agree there's too much emphasis on Scenarios right now. I love the game, but open world RvR needs some more loving to make people flock to it. Fortunately Mythic is working on it - I just hope they'll do something about it soon. While Scenarios are fun, they aren't open world RvR.

Hmm all this discussion about RvR scenarios being the downfall of warhammer...

Its odd that one of the most fun aspects, one that is enjoyed by most of the current players will be its downfall.

Its also kind of funny, based on the fact that you really dont NEED to RvR scenario "grind"  You could always open field RvR grind, PQ grind or PVE grind.

See most games give you one option...PVE grind, PVP usualy comes after your done with the grindfest.  Its nice that there is ONE modern game out there with some options as to how ill level up my character...isnt it?

Or perhaps a lot of people would rather go back to their one option game?

Options are scary....

Anyway whos to say that after a few months, the scenario craze will dwindle (no doubt many people will see this as the end of the game for them, unable to move on to other aspects of the game) and hopefully, after everyone scenario grinds to endgame, can start to enjoy all the other options in game, most likely with another character.

My prediction, is that after the wow crowds moves on, after those of us who are sticking with war all hit endgame, your going to see a much needed balancing of in game participation in all the things that currently are being ignored by the scanario grinders.

My opinion is, who cares, scenarios are still fun, most people really like them, its why MOST people choose to participate in them 90% of their game time.

So...meh...seems like a irrational and snap judgement made by a teen and his ever changing emotional "needs".    Everythings great one second, everything sucks the next second...rinse and repeat.

As has been said in the latest interview with Jeff Hickman.  The best RvR gear drops come from players in Open world RvR and BO sergeants and Keep Lords.

People that do scenarios all day are gimping themselves for any kind of open world RvR.

The fact is, if all you care about are your rank and renown rank, then you're not playing the game to have fun, you're playing it to get to max everything as fast as possible.

I've done maybe 10 scenarios on my way to just rank 15, and I'm having a lot of fun with the game.

It's sad that people no longer play games for fun, they play them to race to max level.

You're not going to get the best gear from scenarios.  Once you hit max level you're not going to be any "better."  You're not going to get more money from doing it. 

I just don't see why all people do is scenarios.  You're missing out on armor sets, you're missing out on community, and you're basically missing out on the game you pay to play.

The scenarios are there for people that don't have much time and want quick action.  Not to play through to end-game.

My vote is for a renown/xp debuff the more you do scenarios.

Originally posted by checkthis500

As has been said in the latest interview with Jeff Hickman.  The best RvR gear drops come from players in Open world RvR and BO sergeants and Keep Lords.

People that do scenarios all day are gimping themselves for any kind of open world RvR.

The fact is, if all you care about are your rank and renown rank, then you're not playing the game to have fun, you're playing it to get to max everything as fast as possible.

I've done maybe 10 scenarios on my way to just rank 15, and I'm having a lot of fun with the game.

It's sad that people no longer play games for fun, they play them to race to max level.

You're not going to get the best gear from scenarios.  Once you hit max level you're not going to be any "better."  You're not going to get more money from doing it. 

I just don't see why all people do is scenarios.  You're missing out on armor sets, you're missing out on community, and you're basically missing out on the game you pay to play.

The scenarios are there for people that don't have much time and want quick action.  Not to play through to end-game.

My vote is for a renown/xp debuff the more you do scenarios.

I only do scenario and I don't feel gimped at all..  I do that because I am casual and if I take my time I will be lvl 40 next year.. i don't want that.

Originally posted by checkthis500

As has been said in the latest interview with Jeff Hickman.  The best RvR gear drops come from players in Open world RvR and BO sergeants and Keep Lords.

People that do scenarios all day are gimping themselves for any kind of open world RvR.

The fact is, if all you care about are your rank and renown rank, then you're not playing the game to have fun, you're playing it to get to max everything as fast as possible.

I've done maybe 10 scenarios on my way to just rank 15, and I'm having a lot of fun with the game.

It's sad that people no longer play games for fun, they play them to race to max level.

You're not going to get the best gear from scenarios.  Once you hit max level you're not going to be any "better."  You're not going to get more money from doing it. 

I just don't see why all people do is scenarios.  You're missing out on armor sets, you're missing out on community, and you're basically missing out on the game you pay to play.

The scenarios are there for people that don't have much time and want quick action.  Not to play through to end-game.

My vote is for a renown/xp debuff the more you do scenarios.

Eventually people will figure out the best strategy for leveling will be to balance what you do.  You wont be gimped if you like doing one aspect more than the others, but you will make things harder for yourself by choosing only one leveling path, such as only scenario's.

The game is way more fun if you balance your time online between pve/pq's/scenarios/open feild rvr.

I think some people are stuck in grind mode, and applying that to scenarios.  Its fun, dont get me wrong, its just nice to break up the grind by doing something else for a while. 

Im sure in the future they will impliment more or diffrent benefits for doing non-scenario activites like they stated.

War fanboi eh? Let's get something straight first. Being a fanboi or fanboy isn't a bad thing. So it's good to see you state it as a good thing, shows you do like the game, or did. But what I really wanted to point out is this little statement here. Fanboy or not, you clearly didn't do to much reading.

"Basically bg from lvl 1 - 40 then bg till renown rank 80 then kill enemy boss"

First it's called scenarios. Secondly doing scenarios from 1-40 is a feat in itself. After 40 you will come to find out that doing keep seiges will give more RR xp than scenarios. The fact is not enough people are 40 to even get to this point. So doing scenarios from 40-80 would seriously be gimping yourself and your time. Third, you cannot just go kill the king. There are alot more factors to this then just, "Hey i am level 40, RR80, king time!". You need to claim all keep sieges and unlock the zones. Then you have to raid the city and fight your way to the king. Not only can you do that at endgame, but you also have DarkFalls type dungeons located in your city. I'm almost shocked as to the reviews coming out lately. 3/4ths of them seem to have only played pre 20. This game is not a PvE game. This game is not WoW. This game does not end at level 20. And scenarios will be an after-thought when more people hit 40 on your server.

Yeah it kinda sucks people aare always playing scenarios. I would of loved to see scenarios be what the keep siges pre level 40 are. But it really doesn't bother me that much. They are fun, addicting and very casual. But let's not start putting it into peoples heads that all you need is level 40 and RR 80 to kill a king. It's alot more than that. And on a side note, people really should be open world pvping. It's already been stated that keep lords drop some of the best gear. And you also get benefits to your realm such as increased Renown and more cash for items sold to vendors and etc.  

Originally posted by gan3f

Originally posted by xsarkaix

Originally posted by Azrile

Yep.. there are only 2 things hurting Warhammer right now

1. Scenarios are a much better thing to do to 'advance' your character, which leaves minimal people willing to run across a zone to do RvR.  It's much 'better' to just pve until a scenario procs.

2. Server population imbalances further restrict RvR.  On many, if not most servers, the factions are imbalanced which means that if you do run across the zone to get into the RvR area, you are more than likely to steamroll, or get steamrolled.

They need to nerf the rewards from scenarios and merge servers to where most of the servers are high/high.  The emphasis of this game was based around large group RvR.  There just is not enough replayability in scenarios and pve to make the game fun.

To the other poster who asked what is different between this and other games.. I'll compare it to WOW.   In WOW, the endgame is built around pve progression mostly.  You do 5 mans, then you do heroics, then you do 10 mans, you do daily quests and you gain faction reputations.  There is a very long and balanced endgame progression (pve side).  The thing is.. Warhammer wasn't designed to offer that type of endgame progression (pve), instead it was supposed to offer the big RvR progression.  But that is simply not happening since people are grinding away in scenarios and doing PVE.  There is no real 'endgame' progression for what players are spending the majority of their time doing (pve and scenarios).  It's kinda like when you buy a big toy for your kid.  You spend hours building this great big toy, only to find out your kid spent more time playing with the box it came in.

Scenario grind to rank 40 then scenario grind to rr 80 then raid enemy city OVER AND OVER AND OVER its the only way to get the best gear in the game

 

I know what your saying but one thing i will point out that i have also said, RR80 gear is not better then PVE gear. The legendary RR 75 set is worse then lvl 25 greens.. sure it has some set bonuses but the stats themselves is terrible.. If you don't believe me go check the far south in IC you will see that the RR75 Legendary chest piece has stats like +10str +5init +8 wounds +9willpower.

so maybe they will change it later or maybe they won't, but as it stands now your best gear comes from killing the city king and pve.

Your spoiled by numeric stats.  You also never seen a purple talisman with +20 to a stat that has no time limit.  The high lvl RVR sets, with talismans, and the set bonuses, are insane overall.

Originally posted by xsarkaix

If u have seen any more of my other posts you will get the message I am a huge war fanboi.

I have ce and both osg and atlas

i dont feel like writing a review because most of u dont care

Ask any questions if u want.   I will try to give a balanced answer.

Basically Scenarios ruined this game.

Basically bg from lvl 1 - 40 then bg till renown rank 80 then kill enemy boss

pve = a strait line from chap 1 to 22  no joke

People who care and/or thinking of buying or just people who are letdown pls post

 

Mark Jacbos said they were looking into this and would address it.  He said scenario would not get nerfed but they are considering various other things to make RvR and other things be on par.

I dunno there is like 1 scenario per day on my server unless I play my Skull Throne alt then its 1 per 5 minutes.