Originally posted by verenov

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by drarkanex

It was meant in the most possible of cynicism.  But honestly, Funcom should just shut their doors and admit they messed up.  I and quite a few of the AoC launch people are saddened and griefed by Funcom's demise.  AoC could have been something new and revolutionary, but in turn we get the usual "It's your fault for buying it" routine.  Funcom deserves every cynical response they can get and i'm not stopping until they fess up that they messed up royally.  I want an apology, a formal apology.  Not some washed up, gleaned over response from Erling.  I want the faces we know from Funcom to formally apologize to EVERYONE for their mistakes.   But until then, they will get nothing.

Well, Gaute resigned, Erling HAS apologized and he's the voice of the company... I'm not sure what else you want. You want to be angry, that's cool. You have every right to be, but that just seems like an odd request.

 

Agreed...

I mean, look at SWG, Vanguard and SOE, or LOTRO, DDO and Turbine..

I have yet to get an apology OR my money back for that wasted hard drive space..

But, I did learn my lesson and just said "No" to WAR!

Sad thing is, aside from LOTRO, WAR had very nice launch.  What stinks is that AoC has made lots of people *gun-shy* so to speak in that we're/they're afraid of being done the same way by *any* new MMO.  My wife and I both swore that we would wait at least a year before trying *any* new MMO based on how wrong we were done by Funcom and their disastrous AoC.  But, we were able to make it into the WAR open-beta and have to admit that it was a refreshing, fun experience.  We've still decided to wait, mind you, before switching to WAR.  But, WAR is definitely a sound prospect for future gaming...at least for us.

My point is this:  I think you may have said *no* to the wrong MMO.  Good luck and have fun in whatever game you do choose :P.

Peace.

Actually I did not pick the wrong MMO. I tried WAR, and was thoroughly unimpressed with it's backwards looking engine and old school mechanics with a different skin.

I am looking forward and want my game to try something new for a change. No matter what you call it..PQ's, Tomes, etc...they all equal the same game we have already played in the past.

This is why I have more hope that AoC will turn around. The engine is future proofed, the mechanics change it up a little, and there seems to be a story, compared to WAR which is about...War!.

I think I will stick out AoC, as the setting fits my tastes, and the game at least pushed to move the genre forward...no matter how badly Funcom mucked it up..

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Lizante

Stradden, you need to understand what "release quality" means.  While it's true that a number of other MMOs, including WoW, experienced considerable birthing problems getting from closed beta to release quality, the extremely obvious fact of life to be learned here is that the MMO community *requires* that an MMO, on the date available for purchase, is a "release quality" product. 

Do I? I'm sorry, but I can't actually rtecall commenting on the quality of the release one way or the other. All I said was that by way of visible apology, you have an apology from Erling and Gaute's resignation. That's what I said.

Now that you've schooled me on what "release quality" means, I'll be sure to get it right when I don't mention it in other posts.

You appear to have chosen to avoid the core of the issue.

It's veritably implied that most players (the few who posted this demand here by exception) don't "demand an apology from anyone, really.

On a positive note, it's nice to see you understand what the cruz of the problem with Age of Conan is.  WTG, dude.

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Lizante

Stradden, you need to understand what "release quality" means.  While it's true that a number of other MMOs, including WoW, experienced considerable birthing problems getting from closed beta to release quality, the extremely obvious fact of life to be learned here is that the MMO community *requires* that an MMO, on the date available for purchase, is a "release quality" product. 

Do I? I'm sorry, but I can't actually rtecall commenting on the quality of the release one way or the other. All I said was that by way of visible apology, you have an apology from Erling and Gaute's resignation. That's what I said.

Now that you've schooled me on what "release quality" means, I'll be sure to get it right when I don't mention it in other posts.

Please provide a link to said apology,only thing in concrete is Gaute's resignation.

Originally posted by drarkanex

Originally posted by 3on1

Originally posted by Superstition

im afraid its too late for aoc and the damage has already been done and substantially at that

 

next time read the interview before saying such non-argumented things ;)

 

I think he did read the interview.  Fixing the faults now is not going to win back the hearts of the launch.  You think we want a free month?  You think we want something for nothing?  We already got nothing for something.  Again, and I think I speak for everyone that bought AoC and is no longer playing it, We don't care about a free month.  We're just not going back to it.

I can 100% confirm that you don't speak for everyone.

Originally posted by grimfall

Originally posted by drarkanex

Originally posted by 3on1

Originally posted by Superstition

im afraid its too late for aoc and the damage has already been done and substantially at that

 

next time read the interview before saying such non-argumented things ;)

 

I think he did read the interview.  Fixing the faults now is not going to win back the hearts of the launch.  You think we want a free month?  You think we want something for nothing?  We already got nothing for something.  Again, and I think I speak for everyone that bought AoC and is no longer playing it, We don't care about a free month.  We're just not going back to it.

 

I can 100% confirm that you don't speak for everyone.

I concur, I shall be back and would bring friends also.

But I don't care for a free month, I'd rather them use that $$$ to improve the game.

I respect the view of the new editor... but its his job to put a positive spin on the product he supports... anyone who has worked in a corporation before knows that in most cases the person who tows the company line best, usually get the management jobs...

I dont blame him, I blame Funcom for spitting out a very rough product... now that they are seeing how repulsed the community was by what they offered, they are doing the right thing and trying to retool... pretty much what every MMO producer does when they squeeze a lemon... so no surprise there...

For me, the damage has been done...they took my 50 bucks, and for how high the hype bar was set, disapointed me completely... I was REALLY torqued at the outset... now it has settled to "oh well, live and learn" attitude... I won't go back, and thats Funcoms lesson as well. So I hope its the same end attitude they and other MMO's take from it...... and learn 

Peace...

I really, really, really wanted to like AoC, but the PvP was just pointless.

From what I read now, PvP is just a gankfest as people try to farm for PvP gear.  Where are the mercenaries?  Where are the epic seige fights? (Yes, I participated in seige fights, and they were bugged and far from epic).  Where is blood money?  

Sigh, all this AoC could have been...

Now, WAR has PvE and PvP fully implemented at launch.  It may not be the best game graphically, but it provided the content it was promissed and the PvP is fun enough.

I hope the new game director can make AoC shine, but I doubt I'll come back.  Perhaps a free month once all the bugs are worked out and the game has a fully functional PvP system in place, I might try it again.

AoC is leaps and bounds a better game now from where it was at launch.  The improvements to the game in the last 3 weeks alone have 100% re-instilled my faith in the game.  Gone are the technical issues that plagued the game.  Sieges are working in all of their glory.  The new PvP system is finally partially live, with the second phase coming within weeks.  Crafting is being overhauled, a huge new zone for 50+ almost here, which will be one of the best zones in the game. 

AoC is within inches of being the game people wanted at launch.  I suspect by early 2009 a lot more people will be looking at, or coming back to AoC.

Originally posted by CalDruid

AoC is leaps and bounds a better game now from where it was at launch.  The improvements to the game in the last 3 weeks alone have 100% re-instilled my faith in the game.  Gone are the technical issues that plagued the game.  Sieges are working in all of their glory.  The new PvP system is finally partially live, with the second phase coming within weeks.  Crafting is being overhauled, a huge new zone for 50+ almost here, which will be one of the best zones in the game. 

AoC is within inches of being the game people wanted at launch.  I suspect by early 2009 a lot more people will be looking at, or coming back to AoC.

 

 

I hope you are right.  I never had a huge problem with the game -- I didn't like FC as a company.  We'll see if they can change that in the near future with their new leadership.  I'm still waiting until the promised stuff actually happens before I even consider giving it another try.  FC made too many promises about this or that coming soon and it never happened (as of today anyway).

I started a general thread/poll to get a feel for where folks might go after a questionable launch...

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/207333

I'm sure Craig will do a great job since he did for AO a game i still play and enjoy even after the crap launch it had back in 2001, and while it has a small playerbase funcon still supports it and is making updates.

So i'm sure AoC will improve and for us that don't race to lvl max level in 2 days the lacking end game content is a moot point and while people have the right to play that way my guess is that end game content is not the most important part at launch.

As for not getting the moneys worth out of a game that is not exactly uncommon be it in an mmo or a singleplayer game, take assassins creed, i bought it played for 20 minutes then haven't started it again should i be able to get a refund?