To say the combat in this game is lame is an understatement. It's worse than any game I've played.

Okay drama queen. Worst you played huh.  Plays like most MMORPGs.

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

Okay drama queen. Worst you played huh.  Plays like most MMORPGs.

 

It plays just like any mmo that has auto attack and skills in the quick bar.

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Originally posted by bodypass
No matter what the die hard fans may say:
War is a GIANT step back in every respect of what a MMORPG should be AND it is clunky, lagyy and badly designed both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.
Those who LOVE it fall in 3 categories:
- DAoC lovers who think they can come back to the high days of that game
- Wow haters who just want to love it because they played Wow to death and now hate their ex love.
- The MMORPG jumpers who jump from MMORPG to MMORPG every time a new launch is announced.
All 3 categories "love" this game for the wrong reasons, they "think" they love it, but they have the wrong driving force to love and support it. All three will drop the ball.
The first category have to admit it's a shadow of the orginal DAoC, the second group are just loving it because they can hate their old love even more (forgetting that War is even more of less)... until they wake up and the third group will leave when the next new kid comes to town.
ALL the rest of the buyers can't look at it without having this feeling of: a clunky PvP, lagyy and badly designed game both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.

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Talk about generalization
- I have never played DAOC
- I have never played WOW
- I dont jump from MMO to MMO I stick with a game I like until I am no longer having fun, then find something else to play.

So yes I am enjoying WAR. Previous MMO's I have played/ enjoyed and stuck to for 18 months - Tabula Rasa (9 months in beta) and Guild Wars.

But I agree there are a lot of people posting who jump from MMO to MMO and hate every one of them as its not the same as whatever precious first MMO they played.

Originally posted by _Shadowmage

 

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Originally posted by bodypass
No matter what the die hard fans may say:
War is a GIANT step back in every respect of what a MMORPG should be AND it is clunky, laggy and badly designed both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.
Those who LOVE it fall in 3 categories:
- DAoC lovers who think they can come back to the high days of that game
- Wow haters who just want to love it because they played Wow to death and now hate their ex love.
- The MMORPG jumpers who jump from MMORPG to MMORPG every time a new launch is announced.
All 3 categories "love" this game for the wrong reasons, they "think" they love it, but they have the wrong driving force to love and support it. All three will drop the ball.
The first category have to admit it's a shadow of the orginal DAoC, the second group are just loving it because they can hate their old love even more (forgetting that War is even more of less)... until they wake up and the third group will leave when the next new kid comes to town.
ALL the rest of the buyers can't look at it without having this feeling of: a clunky PvP, laggy and badly designed game both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.

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Talk about generalization
- I have never played DAOC
- I have never played WOW
- I dont jump from MMO to MMO I stick with a game I like until I am no longer having fun, then find something else to play.

So yes I am enjoying WAR. Previous MMO's I have played/ enjoyed and stuck to for 18 months - Tabula Rasa (9 months in beta) and Guild Wars.

But I agree there are a lot of people posting who jump from MMO to MMO and hate every one of them as its not the same as whatever precious first MMO they played.
 

I said those who LOVE War.
 

You're enjoying the game. I am talking about the lover boys who defend it like it would be the "next generation of MMORPG's". Well it is not.

I agree we NEED another excellent MMORPG  game that has the standard Blizzard quality of games. But neither AoC or War fall into this category. And the reasons why : I summed them up in my last sentence.

I made these categories because people in that categoy tend to "love" this game for the wrong reasons, they "think" they love it, but they have the wrong driving force to love and support it.

I already saw the most fanatic followers open their eyes these last days (I won't sum them up - some are even in this post). But WANTING to love a new game with the above kind of basics isn't a good long term driving force.

Of course there are other categories of War players, but these 3 categories are the most prone to why they adore a game which simply is lacking for far too many trying it. And this isn't even an opinion: it is a fact:

Just look at xfire this afternoon: lowest number of playings since launch - in the free time period and after having a status of 15 days best seller at the box office.

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by _Shadowmage

 

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Originally posted by bodypass
No matter what the die hard fans may say:
War is a GIANT step back in every respect of what a MMORPG should be AND it is clunky, laggy and badly designed both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.
Those who LOVE it fall in 3 categories:
- DAoC lovers who think they can come back to the high days of that game
- Wow haters who just want to love it because they played Wow to death and now hate their ex love.
- The MMORPG jumpers who jump from MMORPG to MMORPG every time a new launch is announced.
All 3 categories "love" this game for the wrong reasons, they "think" they love it, but they have the wrong driving force to love and support it. All three will drop the ball.
The first category have to admit it's a shadow of the orginal DAoC, the second group are just loving it because they can hate their old love even more (forgetting that War is even more of less)... until they wake up and the third group will leave when the next new kid comes to town.
ALL the rest of the buyers can't look at it without having this feeling of: a clunky PvP, laggy and badly designed game both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.

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Talk about generalization
- I have never played DAOC
- I have never played WOW
- I dont jump from MMO to MMO I stick with a game I like until I am no longer having fun, then find something else to play.

So yes I am enjoying WAR. Previous MMO's I have played/ enjoyed and stuck to for 18 months - Tabula Rasa (9 months in beta) and Guild Wars.

But I agree there are a lot of people posting who jump from MMO to MMO and hate every one of them as its not the same as whatever precious first MMO they played.
 

I said those who LOVE War.
 

You're enjoying the game. I am talking about the lover boys who defend it like it would be the "next generation of MMORPG's". Well it is not.

I agree we NEED another excellent MMORPG  game that has the standard Blizzard quality of games. But neither AoC or War fall into this category. And the reasons why : I summed them up in my last sentence.

I made these categories because people in that categoy tend to "love" this game for the wrong reasons, they "think" they love it, but they have the wrong driving force to love and support it.

I already saw the most fanatic followers open their eyes these last days (I won't sum them up - some are even in this post). But WANTING to love a new game with the above kind of basics isn't a good long term driving force.

Of course there are other categories of War players, but these 3 categories are the most prone to why they adore a game which simply is lacking for far too many trying it. And this isn't even an opinion: it is a fact:

Just look at xfire this afternoon: lowest number of playings since launch - in the free time period and after having a status of 15 days best seller at the box office.

 

 

This is fact, lol give me a break.

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Originally posted by cukimunga

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Originally posted by EvolvedMonky
Okay drama queen. Worst you played huh.  Plays like most MMORPGs. 

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It plays just like any mmo that has auto attack and skills in the quick bar.

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No it doesn't. It's very slow and unreponsive. Plus the animations aren't in sync with your actions.

Originally posted by zimmy910

 

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Originally posted by cukimunga

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Originally posted by EvolvedMonky
Okay drama queen. Worst you played huh.  Plays like most MMORPGs. 

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It plays just like any mmo that has auto attack and skills in the quick bar.

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No it doesn't. It's very slow and unreponsive. Plus the animations aren't in sync with your actions.

 

You say that with a straight face with MMOs ilke EQ2 and SWG on the market, where the clang hits in 2 seconds after you pressed the button?

Stop comparing to World of Twitchcraft and their monster budget with monster serverpark...

Originally posted by bodypass

No matter what the die hard fans may say:

War is a GIANT step back in every respect of what a MMORPG should be AND it is clunky, lagyy and badly designed both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.

Those who LOVE it fall in 3 categories:

- DAoC lovers who think they can come back to the high days of that game

- Wow haters who just want to love it because they played Wow to death and now hate their ex love.

- The MMORPG jumpers who jump from MMORPG to MMORPG every time a new launch is announced.

All 3 categories "love" this game for the wrong reasons, they "think" they love it, but they have the wrong driving force to love and support it. All three will drop the ball.

The first category have to admit it's a shadow of the orginal DAoC, the second group are just loving it because they can hate their old love even more (forgetting that War is even more of less)... until they wake up and the third group will leave when the next new kid comes to town.

ALL the rest of the buyers can't look at it without having this feeling of: a clunky PvP, lagyy and badly designed game both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.

 

 

You forgot category 4..
 

People like me that are playing it and loving it just to piss you off.

Oh and 100$ says you play NE Huntard.

That is all.

So...WAR has just pulled off the most successfull MMO launch in history in terms of numbers (we only have 1st week data so far).

1. Does the game suffer from newly released problems of any kind? Yes (such as some servers being under populated, some animations are not perfectly synched, some servers are laggy (others are not) etc).

2. Does WAR have the most comprehensive single person PvP package in the market (open, BGs, dynamic world)? Yes (I would put EVE here as well but it is not single person)

So depending on what floats your way 2>1 or 1>2. If 2>1 you play and love WAR. If 1>2 you are angry and mostly annoyed over people that like it.

War does have some bug to be fixed, but I am having fun so far. 

Originally posted by Sikhander

So...WAR has just pulled off the most successfull MMO launch in history in terms of numbers (we only have 1st week data so far).

1. Does the game suffer from newly released problems of any kind? Yes (such as some servers being under populated, some animations are not perfectly synched, some servers are laggy (others are not) etc).

2. Does WAR have the most comprehensive single person PvP package in the market (open, BGs, dynamic world)? Yes (I would put EVE here as well but it is not single person)

So depending on what floats your way 2>1 or 1>2. If 2>1 you play and love WAR. If 1>2 you are angry and mostly annoyed over people that like it.

Most succesfull launch ???

So why the game is losing more players than it gains in its first two weeks of "free" play?

http://www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/

Less players than launch date and a best seller at the box office ??? That only means one thing.

A game of THIS hyped magnitude would have gained at least 10% on average vs the opening date.

And the subscription will set in within 2 weeks time. Oh dear....

But hey "some servers are underpopulated, some animations are not perfect synched, some servers are lagg", etc ...."

Especially the "etc"... is breath taking.

Oh BTW Sikhander: Wow PvP beats War pace, animation and handling of the avatars hands down.

But you knew that already didn't you ?

Originally posted by bodypass

Most succesfull launch ???

So why the game is losing more players than it gains in its first two weeks of "free" play?

http://www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/

Less players than launch date and a best seller at the box office ??? That only means one thing.

A game of THIS hyped magnitude would have gained at least 10% on average vs the opening date.

And the subscription will set in within 2 weeks time. Oh dear....

But hey "some servers are underpopulated, some animations are not perfect synched, some servers are lagg", etc ...."

Especially the "etc"... is breath taking.

Youre reading to much in X-fire numbers, the first week of a game many fans take a few days off work/school or call in sick. People always spend more hours just after launch.

This doesn't really mean anything one way or another. But anyone saying most succesful launch never played Guildwars at launch... And I don't think they live in EU either because GOA messed up as usual.  And no, Im not saying the launch were bad but it was surely not the best.

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Originally posted by Meridion

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Originally posted by zimmy910

 

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Originally posted by cukimunga

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Originally posted by EvolvedMonky
Okay drama queen. Worst you played huh.  Plays like most MMORPGs. 

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It plays just like any mmo that has auto attack and skills in the quick bar.

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No it doesn't. It's very slow and unreponsive. Plus the animations aren't in sync with your actions. 

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You say that with a straight face with MMOs ilke EQ2 and SWG on the market, where the clang hits in 2 seconds after you pressed the button?
Stop comparing to World of Twitchcraft and their monster budget with monster serverpark...

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So I have to put up with this crappy combat system because other games can't get it right either ?

Why can't we compare the two ? The one game that DOES get it right can't be discussed here ?

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by Sikhander

So...WAR has just pulled off the most successfull MMO launch in history in terms of numbers (we only have 1st week data so far).

1. Does the game suffer from newly released problems of any kind? Yes (such as some servers being under populated, some animations are not perfectly synched, some servers are laggy (others are not) etc).

2. Does WAR have the most comprehensive single person PvP package in the market (open, BGs, dynamic world)? Yes (I would put EVE here as well but it is not single person)

So depending on what floats your way 2>1 or 1>2. If 2>1 you play and love WAR. If 1>2 you are angry and mostly annoyed over people that like it.

 

Most succesfull launch ???

So why the game is losing more players than it gains in its first two weeks of "free" play?

http://www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/

Less players than launch date and a best seller at the box office ??? That only means one thing.

A game of THIS hyped magnitude would have gained at least 10% on average vs the opening date.

And the subscription will set in within 2 weeks time. Oh dear....

But hey "some servers are underpopulated, some animations are not perfect synched, some servers are lagg", etc ...."

Especially the "etc"... is breath taking.

Oh BTW Sikhander: Wow PvP beats War pace, animation and handling of the avatars hands down.

But you knew that already didn't you ?

Your analysis of the player numbers is flawed, you have to take into account the people who haven't got xfire. That and the fact that there were a bug with xfire not long ago that caused player number drops for most games.

Just to make it clear, i didn't like Warhammer Online much either, but that was due to personal preference and not anything the game could have helped.

Originally posted by zimmy910

 

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Originally posted by Meridion

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Originally posted by zimmy910

 

 
 

 
No it doesn't. It's very slow and unreponsive. Plus the animations aren't in sync with your actions. 

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You say that with a straight face with MMOs ilke EQ2 and SWG on the market, where the clang hits in 2 seconds after you pressed the button?
Stop comparing to World of Twitchcraft and their monster budget with monster serverpark...

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So I have to put up with this crappy combat system because other games can't get it right either ?

Why can't we compare the two ? The one game that DOES get it right can't be discussed here ?

 

So correct. The one game that DOES it right can't be discussed here.

Why? Because everyone plays it and on MMORPG.COM they think they are "elite"...

Originally posted by in4sit

Unless you like how AOC plays or Guild Wars.

I guess I hate the way the combat in this game is,.. its very lame. I know some of you find this fun, but as I said,.. if you did not like AOC or Guild Wars, do not touch this game.

A lot of you have come here from WOW and trust me, this game is not even close to WOW. I am not a WOW fan but WOW is better than this game... I haye to say that but its ture.

I was playing DAOC and I was really wanting this game to be like DAOC, but what a HUGE let down.

i have played: DAOC, AOC, SWG, EVE,  POTBS, Guild Wars, Asheron's Call, and COH, and WOW and I would say by far, this is the worst combat game play I have seen in a game.

The missions stink, the pick of toon's you can play stink, and just about everything stinks with this game..

The good??.. It looks pretty, nice job on the art work, but thats about it. I will not keep playing this after the 30 days and this was by far a waste of 50.00.

If you dont like that much why wait the 30 days quit now.

So what if WoW is better than this game, name me one game that is better than WoW?

I doubt MMOs are for you, if you have played so many and are still looking, go try an FPS = First Person Shooter, as the game play there may suit you.

 It was never meant to be for everyone anyways, if it stinks so much just uninstall it period.

Please come back here when you find the game thats better than WAR so we too can play it!

Originally posted by materva26

I can bet most people don't care about your opinion OP....as any person with a brain will pick the game up and try it for themselves, and stop relying on everyone elses word.

actually that's kinda what forums are for.....people who don't care about others opinions on these games don't bother with threads like this....i however find these threads very telling...so thanks OP for the feedback

Originally posted by kuzseamer

Originally posted by materva26

I can bet most people don't care about your opinion OP....as any person with a brain will pick the game up and try it for themselves, and stop relying on everyone elses word.

 

actually that's kinda what forums are for.....people who don't care about others opinions on these games don't bother with threads like this....i however find these threads very telling...so thanks OP for the feedback

In isolation, individual opinions should be acted upon at your own risk/loss.

Only when there is an overwhelming number of negative posts can you tell that a game is diabolically bad.

And, it is always skewed negatively, as when a game is good, peeps either don't have time to come on the boards and post about it, or they are not overly motivated to do so.

Whereas someone who doesnt like the game has more time and is seriously motivated to tell the world how bad it is..........

Originally posted by zimmy910

 

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Originally posted by Meridion

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Originally posted by zimmy910

 

 

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Originally posted by cukimunga

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Originally posted by EvolvedMonky
Okay drama queen. Worst you played huh.  Plays like most MMORPGs. 

 

 

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It plays just like any mmo that has auto attack and skills in the quick bar.

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No it doesn't. It's very slow and unreponsive. Plus the animations aren't in sync with your actions. 

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You say that with a straight face with MMOs ilke EQ2 and SWG on the market, where the clang hits in 2 seconds after you pressed the button?
Stop comparing to World of Twitchcraft and their monster budget with monster serverpark...

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So I have to put up with this crappy combat system because other games can't get it right either ?

Why can't we compare the two ? The one game that DOES get it right can't be discussed here ?

 

Because mashing 6 buttons in a frenzy and tearing people apart within 4 seconds is not what I would consider "doing it right"...

WoW arena felt like a shooter but without the equality of a shooter. It felt like a shooter where weeks and months of playtime could get you the "I win" gun.

I agree, combat was very responsive in WoW, which is entirely a lag issue in WAR atm. Skills that are not broken (granted, some are) work perfectly on time during server off-times. So yes, WAR has to work on some issues there but no, WoW is not the be all, end all of MMORPGs. It is not representing the genre as a whole, _especially_ not combatwise. In a game where combat is tailored more towards an X-Box 360 player than an Pen and Paper veteran (you know, dice rolls and hexagons) you flatout lie if you say the game is "doing it right". It might be doing it right for the armies of MMORPG-newbies that flooded this segment for 4 years now, but it is _not_ doing it right by objective standards.

When running smoothly, WAR is incorporating tactics and longevity in combat, taking away the ability to kill other players within seconds, stun them for ages or (ab)use gear and buffs to overpower one strategy; which is entirely not fun. I hope it stays this way and you will not be able to raise your char to be "teh superpower of teh battlefild lolthx".

And a final word, I myself have played a PvP rogue in WoW, and it was really, really a joke how combat effective you could be with high level raidgear. I literally did not die during some very, very long Alteracs, because you could just always get away and sneak up on the next poor dude. great job mythic in prohibiting stun and stealth in WAR, makes the game more fun for everyone.

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