Originally posted by DuraheLL

 

Ok but you failed to answer my question. I asked for OFFICAL words on the cities returning shortly after launch.

What they are referring to in there is the answer. Its a pain in the @ss to pick through this website and that one looking for exactly the vid I need (I remind you that that is deliberate). They did officially state that they were at least going to rotate the cities.

Originally posted by jblah

You can look it up yourself why should others do the work for you? Do you get your mom to cash your welfare checks? Just google it and see but noone is denying that they were cut they were just postponed.
 

Well excuuuuuse me Drama-Queen :P

I just think it should be common sence to post a link to the source when making a thread like this.

Originally posted by Gazenthia

Originally posted by DuraheLL

 

Ok but you failed to answer my question. I asked for OFFICAL words on the cities returning shortly after launch.

What they are referring to in there is the answer. Its a pain in the @ss to pick through this website and that one looking for exactly the vid I need (I remind you that that is deliberate). They did officially state that they were at least going to rotate the cities.

Your delusional they aren't EVER going to put the cities in, they said they liked the design of keeps leading to one city instead of 4 different cities per side.

Yeah im pretty sure they cut them altogethor and smashed all the content into altdorf and inevitable... I remember seeing a vid of them saying that it was better for everyone if they moved all the content from the other two capital cities into one and making it huge...

so... you probably should show us where they changed thier mind on this and said that they were indeed going to put them back in with no content whatsoever.. (since it was moved to altdorf)...

Originally posted by dracomun

Your delusional

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/38044

"What we’re thinking about doing is rotating in cities, in and out."

"Other cities will be coming in later"

"There are like one hundred quests, active, important, necessary quests in these cities. This is not like any other cities in any other game. These things have so much stuff in them that we want to get them out there and let people play in them."

"See what happens, before we move on in the next cities."



 

Originally posted by jackman1118

 put them back in with no content whatsoever.. (since it was moved to altdorf)...

This is BS as it is actually impossible.

The city itself is a massive and unique zone and I guaran-damn-tee you that, just as is the case with Inevitable City and Altdorf, there are quests and NPCs unique to to each.

See what happens, before we move on in the next cities. We’ve gone through different versions of the cities all looking and hoping to get the best design. You guys all plays MMOs, you can take three years to design something and then once the players get to it, things change. That’s all we’re doing here. We’re giving people the opportunities to tell us what we’re doing better, what we need to fix and we can improve based on that.

Originally posted by dracomun

 You guys all plays MMOs, you can take three years to design something and then once the players get to it, things change.

He is referring to the time it took them to develop the cities doofus. By the way, aren't you the one who just told me I was delusional and that they would "never" add other cities, etc?

yeah: "Your delusional they aren't EVER going to put the cities in,"

Originally posted by jblah

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Originally posted by Gazenthia

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Can you link to where they promised to add the cities? All I heard was that the cities were cut into one instead.

 

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46119

Its around.
 

 

Ok but you failed to answer my question. I asked for OFFICAL words on the cities returning shortly after launch.

You can look it up yourself why should others do the work for you? Do you get your mom to cash your welfare checks? Just google it and see but noone is denying that they were cut they were just postponed.
 

Everything I've seen from the developers has been along the lines of "After launch we will see how things are going and then evaluate what, if any, cut content will be added."

You've made a statement ("They promised to add the content!") that many people question. It's YOUR duty to find an official (and recent -- these things change!) indication that the content WILL be added. All I've ever heard is that it MIGHT be.

Originally posted by jblah

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Originally posted by Gazenthia

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Can you link to where they promised to add the cities? All I heard was that the cities were cut into one instead.

 

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46119

Its around.
 

 

Ok but you failed to answer my question. I asked for OFFICAL words on the cities returning shortly after launch.

You can look it up yourself why should others do the work for you? Do you get your mom to cash your welfare checks? Just google it and see but noone is denying that they were cut they were just postponed.
 

So you're saying Gaz has to go find the source to someone else claims? That'd be like Michael Crichton saying its someone elses job to cite the research he does for his books.

Originally posted by Gazenthia

Originally posted by DuraheLL

 

Ok but you failed to answer my question. I asked for OFFICAL words on the cities returning shortly after launch.

What they are referring to in there is the answer. Its a pain in the @ss to pick through this website and that one looking for exactly the vid I need (I remind you that that is deliberate). They did officially state that they were at least going to rotate the cities.

Actually, having read the Ten Ton Hammer piece you're referring to, they said they were THINKING about it -- and this was back in July, Reading the article in full, instead of just picking a few sentences at random which support your position, it's clear they want to evaluate live gameplay before committing to any specific action. They said they could rotate cities -- they also said they might just rotate content in a single city. 

It's possible they may add in all the cities, or that they will rotate the cities, or that they'll focus their efforts on keeping Aldorf/IC constantly "fresh" and interesting. And if you think a company won't throw out content just because they've spent years working on it... you know nothing about how the game industry works. Many games have been killed completely after years of development, and many parts of games -- zones or classes -- never make it to 'live'. Also, even if the cities aren't used, many of the assets -- art, especially -- can be reused in other parts of the game, making it not a total loss.

Personally, i'd love for all three pairs to have their own capital cities, but I am dubious it's going to happen.

Personally I hope they don't put the other 4 cities in or at least delay them a long while.

Now I am not trying to piss you Warhammer fans off. Let me first say I am not a Warhammer fan per se. I have never played the tabletop version and don't really care about the lore. (Been playing mmos and rpgs and reading fantasy novels for 30 years, and after all this time its all pretty much the same anyways). What I am is an mmorpg player and I enjoy the RvR. I want a good, fun game to play. That is all. And WAR is filling this role for me currently.

My reason for not wanting the other 4 cities is because the 1 city each side has already seems large and empty. I hardly see any players there. Like someone previously said, people just go there to use the bank and guild vaults. For the most part its empty even on full servers during prime time.

So why would Mythic put in 4 more cities? So we can then have 6 totally empty desolate cities instead of the 2 almost empty cities we have now?

And there seems to be areas of the city (Destruction side anyways) That have large areas with no content. (I'm talking about the big areas in the back with npcs fighting each other. I have no idea what these big areas are for). Also, the main city we do have seems to still be not working correctly? Portals that go nowhere. Also the city does not seem to be raising levels yet to supposedly open some of this stuff up.

I want them to add more content and purpose to the 2 cities that are already there. Mythic needs to add something to make players want to go and hang out there. Cities in other games are trading and crafting meccas. But in WAR they dont seem to have that function.

So,  when and if Mythic adds in a purpose and reason for spending more than a few minutes into the 2 main existing cities to the point they are really being used and seem alilve, then and only then should they add the other 4 cities.

To simply add the other 4 cities just to have them will just spread out the already thin city population.

I would rather they take the time to add more content, put in the missing classes, fix the bugs (guild functions are somewhat borked atm still), and concentrate on the areas where people spend 99% of thier time (ie rvr scenarios, PQs, doing quests etc, etc).

Originally posted by Lizard_SF

 

Actually, having read the Ten Ton Hammer piece you're referring to, they said they were THINKING about it -- and this was back in July, Reading the article in full, instead of just picking a few sentences at random which support your position, it's clear they want to evaluate live gameplay before committing to any specific action. They said they could rotate cities -- they also said they might just rotate content in a single city. 

It's possible they may add in all the cities, or that they will rotate the cities, or that they'll focus their efforts on keeping Aldorf/IC constantly "fresh" and interesting. And if you think a company won't throw out content just because they've spent years working on it... you know nothing about how the game industry works. Many games have been killed completely after years of development, and many parts of games -- zones or classes -- never make it to 'live'. Also, even if the cities aren't used, many of the assets -- art, especially -- can be reused in other parts of the game, making it not a total loss.

Personally, i'd love for all three pairs to have their own capital cities, but I am dubious it's going to happen.

First of all,  "See what happens, before we move on in the next cities."

What they were discussing is seeing what happens with the two cities so that they adjust the other cities accordingly. What they were actually playing with is the notion of rotation, which is the important difference here.

As for the "assests", there is no substitute whatsoever for the cities themselves. The capital cities are supposed to be the chief hubs and representation of the individual races. Their existsance is just as important as the rest of the racial tier zones, if not more so.

In fact, lets switch sides here. Tell me why the racial pairing zones are important and why they shouldn't simply be rolled into one mega-awesome Chaos V Order pairing. I mean, we can re-use some of the art. We can jostle a lot of the quests, there are mailboxes, et al. It'd be awesome and everything would be more focused and polished and crap.

Originally posted by Chainmail

 the areas where people spend 99% of thier time (ie rvr scenarios, PQs, doing quests etc, etc).

Chainmail I want you to look hard at this and tell me whats wrong with what you said. It's right there, you accidentally stumbled upon a serious issue with the game.

Edit: I'll tell ya. People aren't supposed to be spending 99% of their time in those places. That's whats wrong. So if it weren't for the broken aspects of the game, the cities would be introduced. That's what you're saying.

www.1up.com/do/newsStory

"Are we going to put [the pulled content] in a paid expansion? No," Jacobs explained. "What I've told the users point blank is that we want to give it to you as part of subscription content.

We don't have a schedule penciled in for when that will be coming, but we're going to release it without any additional charge to players."

Originally posted by Nadia

www.1up.com/do/newsStory

"Are we going to put [the pulled content] in a paid expansion? No," Jacobs explained. "What I've told the users point blank is that we want to give it to you as part of subscription content.

We don't have a schedule penciled in for when that will be coming, but we're going to release it without any additional charge to players."

So before the next expansion pack.

Originally posted by darwa

Originally posted by AlienShirt

I am more concerned about the missing classes that should have been in at launch.

 

I agree. Though, I would prefer to play a Slayer (lore aside) than a Hammerer.

 

Well if GW wants classes with lore slayers wouldn't work. I have 10 classes to pick from atm thats more then wow has right now and I could have another 10 if I changed sides.  2 more per side is not gonna kill me.

Originally posted by Gazenthia

As for the "assests", there is no substitute whatsoever for the cities themselves. The capital cities are supposed to be the chief hubs and representation of the individual races. Their existsance is just as important as the rest of the racial tier zones, if not more so.

In fact, lets switch sides here. Tell me why the racial pairing zones are important and why they shouldn't simply be rolled into one mega-awesome Chaos V Order pairing. I mean, we can re-use some of the art. We can jostle a lot of the quests, there are mailboxes, et al. It'd be awesome and everything would be more focused and polished and crap.

 

You seem to be conflating my description of what IS happening with some sort of vague notion this is what I ADVOCATE happening.

I would have LIKED the game to ship with all cities. It didn't.

I would like a firm declaration all cities will eventually be in the game. This is not forthcoming.

If you confuse desire and reality, you will have a very, very, very, sad and disappointing life.

I was also addressing the false logic of "They put work into it, therefore, they MUST use it!" This is not reality. Work is often abandoned or repurposed. (Look at what happened to the work, several years worth, invested in what was going to be Ultima Online II. The game was dropped after it was on the verge of closed beta and the art and design work was rolled into an Ultima Online expansion pack.

Originally posted by rashhero

Originally posted by jblah

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Originally posted by Gazenthia

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Can you link to where they promised to add the cities? All I heard was that the cities were cut into one instead.

 

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46119

Its around.
 

 

Ok but you failed to answer my question. I asked for OFFICAL words on the cities returning shortly after launch.

You can look it up yourself why should others do the work for you? Do you get your mom to cash your welfare checks? Just google it and see but noone is denying that they were cut they were just postponed.
 

 

So you're saying Gaz has to go find the source to someone else claims? That'd be like Michael Crichton saying its someone elses job to cite the research he does for his books.

Your analogy is completely flawed.  She made an argument.  She needs facts to have the argument be valid. 

With out any evidence of anything she has claimed, her argument becomes void, and thus this thread becomes a waste of time.

Originally posted by Chainmail

Personally I hope they don't put the other 4 cities in or at least delay them a long while.

Now I am not trying to piss you Warhammer fans off. Let me first say I am not a Warhammer fan per se. I have never played the tabletop version and don't really care about the lore. (Been playing mmos and rpgs and reading fantasy novels for 30 years, and after all this time its all pretty much the same anyways). What I am is an mmorpg player and I enjoy the RvR. I want a good, fun game to play. That is all. And WAR is filling this role for me currently.

My reason for not wanting the other 4 cities is because the 1 city each side has already seems large and empty. I hardly see any players there. Like someone previously said, people just go there to use the bank and guild vaults. For the most part its empty even on full servers during prime time.

So why would Mythic put in 4 more cities? So we can then have 6 totally empty desolate cities instead of the 2 almost empty cities we have now?

And there seems to be areas of the city (Destruction side anyways) That have large areas with no content. (I'm talking about the big areas in the back with npcs fighting each other. I have no idea what these big areas are for). Also, the main city we do have seems to still be not working correctly? Portals that go nowhere. Also the city does not seem to be raising levels yet to supposedly open some of this stuff up.

I want them to add more content and purpose to the 2 cities that are already there. Mythic needs to add something to make players want to go and hang out there. Cities in other games are trading and crafting meccas. But in WAR they dont seem to have that function.

So,  when and if Mythic adds in a purpose and reason for spending more than a few minutes into the 2 main existing cities to the point they are really being used and seem alilve, then and only then should they add the other 4 cities.

To simply add the other 4 cities just to have them will just spread out the already thin city population.

I would rather they take the time to add more content, put in the missing classes, fix the bugs (guild functions are somewhat borked atm still), and concentrate on the areas where people spend 99% of thier time (ie rvr scenarios, PQs, doing quests etc, etc).

 

mmmh, dunno about your server, but on my server Altdorf and IE are both rank 3? So the upgrade thingie works perfectly adding new content at each rank. Those portals not going anywhere are prolly part of the content at higher ranks, not sure really as I have never been to the IE yet.
 

And I dunno about you all, but Altdorf has a lot of content. Quests, PQs, DUNGEONS, all are in the city. So it is not that the city is empty of stuff to do, prolly most players have not realized the extent of the city content yet and are still doing their thing in the Tiers.... But I guess eventually they will notice all the stuff in the cities.

So adding 4 cities would be great, give the other races a thematic place for them as Altdorf is really Empire and it is awesome that away but a dwarf and particularly an elf would feel not entirely at home there.

I do agree though that the classes should come first. Especially the tanks!