Love it how everyone yells wow clone when a mmo has elves in it. Its not because the first mmo you played was wow that it was the first one. And stop saying wow is the best mmo because it has the most subs, wow came at the right time, right when mmos were starting to become very popular and most people had dsl. It became very popular because it was aimed at the average gamer, not the hardcore games like some mmos of the time. The hype it got from being the leader, and to the non gamers the first mmo made it a very attractive product. That hype explains why so many people got sucked into it, a lot of players, some of your friends playign it, so you want to play with your friends...

Wow wont be killed, what could happen is it will start dying slowly blizzards new mmos might steal a lot of its subs) and the day the servers shut down noone will care about it anymore.

The only way i'd say wow is the one would be "wow is still the one if you want to play the mmo with the most subs". Wow is not the best at anything (pvp, questing, raids, farming, skill/race...) it has msot of the feature you see in the mmo genre and some ppl like that.

wow is the one and will always be the one.and those guys who tell you war is better or aoc is better are lying.i wasted my money on them .so dont waste your money on them .they are not the games as are portrayed by ea or funcom .they suck.

Originally posted by craynlon

man this is getting tiresome

wow wont die immidietly because theres a new game launch.
wow will die slowly on its own poison

a few 100k subscribers to conan, a few more to war, to aion, to spellborne....

of course there will be the hardcore wow players even in 4 years from now when the engine will be 8 years old and the graphics can be otherwise viewed in a museums screen next to the n64.
these people stay in wow because its their daily fix of crack. it doesnt have to be innovative or good looking its just ensuring  that their are others taking the same drugs.

alreaddy i hear people say: "...but, but, but i cant leave wow, i invested so much in my character..."

just as there wont be an google killer that all people use overnight there wont be a wow killer but lets watch the market a few years from now and if blizzard has the same big slice of the mmo cake without making a wow2 or something im quitting mmo and go back to tetris

ROFL
 

Yes, you were the one (and some others) who said 6 months ago ...that the end of Wow was coming soon...

A nice blow below the belt from Conan and a big and perfect uppercut from War would do the trick.

As a matter of fact Conan is now beheaded by its own game system and War IS struggling to have the same number of players as at launch, 14 days before the free period ends (Xfire). Half of EU servers are at low/low or low/medium. Never a good sign in the free play period.

I even have this new theory: every time a "Wow killer" didn't make it, the postion of Wow is even reinforced as the number 1 MMORPG to play. We saw this after Vanguard, after LOTRO, after TR. Last winter was a boom on the server activity in Wow in both US/EU and they didn't even have an expansion out back then.

It seems that  Wow is sucking the blood out of his "new" competitors faster than you can say the word "subscription".

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see what will happen in two weeks when the pre launch patch will come out and the bloodbath to other MMO's when - after 2 long years - that new Blizz expansion will hit the market floor.

Not going back to Wow ? (and miss their version of the promised open world PvP) - no problem - but be sure the others will.

Wow will be around for the next 10-15 years, by which time the will still have 300-400k subscribers. The reason for htis is that people just don't by new computers anymore and wow is the only game that is scalling properly to this rate of growth. Ofcourse wow will continue to increase and possibly hit 20million when they overhaul the graphics engine, which will be the best graphics engine to date in the history of mmorpgs or any game for that fact.

The truth is blizzard treats game making as an art and a science, and does not exlude one from the other. We saw what ahppens when you do too much art (vanguard) and what happens whne there's too much science (war). You have to have a fine balance between the two.

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by craynlon

man this is getting tiresome

wow wont die immidietly because theres a new game launch.
wow will die slowly on its own poison

a few 100k subscribers to conan, a few more to war, to aion, to spellborne....

of course there will be the hardcore wow players even in 4 years from now when the engine will be 8 years old and the graphics can be otherwise viewed in a museums screen next to the n64.
these people stay in wow because its their daily fix of crack. it doesnt have to be innovative or good looking its just ensuring  that their are others taking the same drugs.

alreaddy i hear people say: "...but, but, but i cant leave wow, i invested so much in my character..."

just as there wont be an google killer that all people use overnight there wont be a wow killer but lets watch the market a few years from now and if blizzard has the same big slice of the mmo cake without making a wow2 or something im quitting mmo and go back to tetris

ROFL
 

Yes, you were the one (and some others) who said 6 months ago ...that the end of Wow was coming soon...

A nice blow below the belt from Conan and a big and perfect uppercut from War would do the trick.

As a matter of fact Conan is now beheaded by its own game system and War IS struggling to have the same number of players as at launch, 14 days before the free period ends (Xfire). Half of EU servers are at low/low or low/medium. Never a good sign in the free play period.

I even have this new theory: every time a "Wow killer" didn't make it, the postion of Wow is even reinforced as the number 1 MMORPG to play. We saw this after Vanguard, after LOTRO, after TR. Last winter was a boom on the server activity in Wow in both US/EU and they didn't even have an expansion out back then.

It seems that  Wow is sucking the blood out of his "new" competitors faster than you can say the word "subscription".

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see what will happen in two weeks when the pre launch patch will come out and the bloodbath to other MMO's when - after 2 long years - that new Blizz expansion will hit the market floor.

Not going back to Wow ? (and miss their version of the promised open world PvP) - no problem - but be sure the others will.

im no expert in xfire numbers or stock market charts
what i would like to see in lets say march 2009 is the number of new subscribers

my theory is that people have a much larger base of AAA mmos to choose from today then they had one year ago. if the nuber of new subscribers jan-march 2009 of wow is as good as jan-march 2008 i give up defeated. we also can compare mmorpg market share in the 1st quater of 2009 to the market share in 2008. as for "the end is coming soon" if i really said that let me redefine the term soon ;)

the reason why wow is the one is kinda simple. for my case anyway.

you dont need a uber pc to run it. it still run nice on 3 year old pc's.

like i was in the beta for AoC.  but tho it was'nt realy strong anough to run nice.

have played wow sinse start and still it runs great and i havent changed my pc for 2 years.

and like if you gona play most of the new mmorpg that have come and will come. you have to have a up to date computer to run it good. not more then maybe 6 month old on the max. if you want to get the best out of it. if not you have to lower everything so far down its getting bad just to look at it. and i havent changed the stuff on wow sinse it went live.

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by craynlon

man this is getting tiresome

wow wont die immidietly because theres a new game launch.
wow will die slowly on its own poison

a few 100k subscribers to conan, a few more to war, to aion, to spellborne....

of course there will be the hardcore wow players even in 4 years from now when the engine will be 8 years old and the graphics can be otherwise viewed in a museums screen next to the n64.
these people stay in wow because its their daily fix of crack. it doesnt have to be innovative or good looking its just ensuring  that their are others taking the same drugs.

alreaddy i hear people say: "...but, but, but i cant leave wow, i invested so much in my character..."

just as there wont be an google killer that all people use overnight there wont be a wow killer but lets watch the market a few years from now and if blizzard has the same big slice of the mmo cake without making a wow2 or something im quitting mmo and go back to tetris

ROFL
 

Yes, you were the one (and some others) who said 6 months ago ...that the end of Wow was coming soon...

A nice blow below the belt from Conan and a big and perfect uppercut from War would do the trick.

As a matter of fact Conan is now beheaded by its own game system and War IS struggling to have the same number of players as at launch, 14 days before the free period ends (Xfire). Half of EU servers are at low/low or low/medium. Never a good sign in the free play period.

I even have this new theory: every time a "Wow killer" didn't make it, the postion of Wow is even reinforced as the number 1 MMORPG to play. We saw this after Vanguard, after LOTRO, after TR. Last winter was a boom on the server activity in Wow in both US/EU and they didn't even have an expansion out back then.

It seems that  Wow is sucking the blood out of his "new" competitors faster than you can say the word "subscription".

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see what will happen in two weeks when the pre launch patch will come out and the bloodbath to other MMO's when - after 2 long years - that new Blizz expansion will hit the market floor.

Not going back to Wow ? (and miss their version of the promised open world PvP) - no problem - but be sure the others will.

Bodypass - cut the propaganda bullshit about WoW already. No one is interested in your devoted love and lust to marry WoW. We are already aware that you would die a sad death if your beloved game would fail in any aspect. There have not been a single post by you at all where you don't state how much you love WoW and how much WoW is a MMO-killer itself that will crush all opposition.

Start accepting that alot of us don't want no god damn MMO-killers - we want to be able to play more than ONE damn game and enjoy more than ONE damn game without having to read posts by fools like you state how much each and every MMO will die and WoW will live on. I play WoW myself, and while it's a decent game that deliver a nice amount of quality content it is far from perfection. There is no perfect MMO and there will never be. Each and every individual will like and dislike things about each and every MMO.

For once - try to actually post something on MMORPG.com that does NOT defend WoW against whatever fears you have in the world about WoW falling apart and your little world is gone.

Now that I got that off my chest - I'll still stay true to my cause - There is no "The one" game. I don't want one, and millions of other MMO players don't want one either. Alot of people like diversity and a chance to play different MMO's whenever they feel like it. The MMO genre will - and I repeat myself - WILL die if there is only ONE MMO left in the world some day.

Accept the simple fact that loads of MMO's does and will always exist. Be happy that the gaming industry offer a chance for everyone to find something THEY like and enjoy.

Originally posted by Thearix

 

Bodypass - cut the propaganda bullshit about WoW already. No one is interested in your devoted love and lust to marry WoW. We are already aware that you would die a sad death if your beloved game would fail in any aspect. There have not been a single post by you at all where you don't state how much you love WoW and how much WoW is a MMO-killer itself that will crush all opposition.

Start accepting that alot of us don't want no god damn MMO-killers - we want to be able to play more than ONE damn game and enjoy more than ONE damn game without having to read posts by fools like you state how much each and every MMO will die and WoW will live on. I play WoW myself, and while it's a decent game that deliver a nice amount of quality content it is far from perfection. There is no perfect MMO and there will never be. Each and every individual will like and dislike things about each and every MMO.

For once - try to actually post something on MMORPG.com that does NOT defend WoW against whatever fears you have in the world about WoW falling apart and your little world is gone.

Now that I got that off my chest - I'll still stay true to my cause - There is no "The one" game. I don't want one, and millions of other MMO players don't want one either. Alot of people like diversity and a chance to play different MMO's whenever they feel like it. The MMO genre will - and I repeat myself - WILL die if there is only ONE MMO left in the world some day.

Accept the simple fact that loads of MMO's does and will always exist. Be happy that the gaming industry offer a chance for everyone to find something THEY like and enjoy.

This sentence is EXACTLY why this industry IS turning out VERY VERY bad games and is in dire need of GOOD games.

And again you have NOTHING understood of what I said.

You want to have MMORPG's at ALL cost. And instead of looking very critical into a new game, most on mmorpg.com hype every new kid on the block without any reservation.

And because they FAIL in have decent "PAYED to be played" subs, it is Wow's fault and even the guys who love to play Wow. How pathetic.

Look at what I said: IF the industry keeps turning out very very mediocre games like they have been doing now for 3 years THAT will kill MMORPG's.

Those failed attempts just feed Wow more and more. Not a man who shows this evident fact on a MMORPG.COM forum

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by Thearix

 

Bodypass - cut the propaganda bullshit about WoW already. No one is interested in your devoted love and lust to marry WoW. We are already aware that you would die a sad death if your beloved game would fail in any aspect. There have not been a single post by you at all where you don't state how much you love WoW and how much WoW is a MMO-killer itself that will crush all opposition.

Start accepting that alot of us don't want no god damn MMO-killers - we want to be able to play more than ONE damn game and enjoy more than ONE damn game without having to read posts by fools like you state how much each and every MMO will die and WoW will live on. I play WoW myself, and while it's a decent game that deliver a nice amount of quality content it is far from perfection. There is no perfect MMO and there will never be. Each and every individual will like and dislike things about each and every MMO.

For once - try to actually post something on MMORPG.com that does NOT defend WoW against whatever fears you have in the world about WoW falling apart and your little world is gone.

Now that I got that off my chest - I'll still stay true to my cause - There is no "The one" game. I don't want one, and millions of other MMO players don't want one either. Alot of people like diversity and a chance to play different MMO's whenever they feel like it. The MMO genre will - and I repeat myself - WILL die if there is only ONE MMO left in the world some day.

Accept the simple fact that loads of MMO's does and will always exist. Be happy that the gaming industry offer a chance for everyone to find something THEY like and enjoy.

 

This sentence is EXACTLY why this industry IS turning out VERY VERY bad games and is in dire need of GOOD games.

And again you have NOTHING understood of what I said.

You want to have MMORPG's at ALL cost. And instead of looking very critical into a new game, most on mmorpg.com hype every new kid on the block without any reservation.

And because they FAIL in have decent "PAYED to be played" subs, it is Wow's fault and even the guys who love tho play Wow. How pathetic.

Look at what I said: IF the industry keeps turning out very very mediocre games like they have been doing now for 3 years THAT will kill MMORPG's.

Those failed attempts just feed Wow more and more. Not a man who shows this evident fact on a MMORPG.COM forum

 

 

 

/wave hi bodypass, whats up?

Originally posted by craynlon

alreaddy i hear people say: "...but, but, but i cant leave wow, i invested so much in my character..."

just as there wont be an google killer that all people use overnight there wont be a wow killer

good points, made me think

If i purchase WOTLK i will play my old abandoned lvl 60 account not my lvl 70. There is very little persistency across expansion boundaries in WoW. Levels mean nothing, gear means nothing, hybrid classes take 180degree turns, server trasfers made guild life homogenized. WoW expansion is very close to starting new game for all your progress.

And about the Google... i used to use AltaVista exlusively back in the old days. It is as good as dead for me now. It can and does happen.

Originally posted by Z3R01

What pisses me off about WoW asian numbers are that the players over there dont actually pay for a WoW game box

Untrue.  They didn't have to pay for the expansion, but they had to pay for the game initially.  Not sure how that works with the CyberCafe's, but I think there is an initial charge to setup your account or something.

and they pay a few cents to actually play the game in a cyber caffee.

Also pretty much untrue.  Depending upon how much you play and adjusting the value of the dollar in NA to what the Asians pay, you might actually be paying less than them.  They pay by the hour I believe whereas you pay a monthly fee.  Let's say you play 20 hours a week, which is not really that much, then you pay approximately 17 cents an hour to play WoW.

So i totally discount the 6 million + asian number just like I discount any F2p asian sub number along with L2.

You can totally discount if you want, but your argument as to why you discount doesn't hold a lot of water.  Just so you know. 

Originally posted by Loke666

Actually, Wolkswagen sells more than mercedes and the beetle is the most selling car ever (funny enough since its first drawing was made by Hitler, really).

Well not quite true, he didn't actually draw the car, car designers did, but he did push for it to be made.  And do you know what the the really ingenious thing about the car is?  It doesn't have a water cooled radiator like most cars do, it's an air-cooled engine and the engine is in the trunk.  I believe this whole air-cooled engine idea even went into building a lot of the vehicles that were used in the war where some of the fighting was in very dry places where water wasn't easy to come by.

http://ask.yahoo.com/20050308.html

Originally posted by Z3R01

Your talking about subs right? If so I agree Nothing will ever outsell WoWs 4.5 million NA/Euro numbers.

What pisses me off about WoW asian numbers are that the players over there dont actually pay for a WoW game box and they pay a few cents to actually play the game in a cyber caffee. So i totally discount the 6 million + asian number just like I discount any F2p asian sub number along with L2.

 

Now if your talking No competition for wow game Quality wise I think you are dead wrong.

Hell games older then WoW are actually better wow is just really, really casual friendly.

The Players that play WoW just don't know any better its safe to say around 60% of those players don't even goto forums or read about other MMO's to know whats out there.

Shit I asked my old guild if they tried WAR most of them didn't know what it was haha.

I have to agree with this.  Several games that launched around the same time WoW did are still going strong, still have very loyal followings, and are still gaining subs.

But WoW is casual-friendly.  The other games are not.  Hell, I play Eve now, and while I love it to death I'm not so stupid as to think that any game where you can make a mistake because you don't know any better, get your ass handed to you, and lose your shirt as a result will ever be anything more than a niche game.

And that's the problem I think.. to many developers are only focusing on the broad, casual market and there's no way to beat WoW there as it just has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much of a head start.  Successful developers should target and cater to a specific audiance, not the entire MMO market.

Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by Z3R01

What pisses me off about WoW asian numbers are that the players over there dont actually pay for a WoW game box

Untrue.  They didn't have to pay for the expansion, but they had to pay for the game initially.  Not sure how that works with the CyberCafe's, but I think there is an initial charge to setup your account or something.

They pay a membership fee then they get to play every game that particular cyber caffee has on their systems. Also remember blizzard doesnt get the majority of the profit from asia they other distributor does (the 9 i believe the companies name is called). IN asia WoW is basically Free to try then they pay per hour.

and they pay a few cents to actually play the game in a cyber caffee.

Also pretty much untrue.  Depending upon how much you play and adjusting the value of the dollar in NA to what the Asians pay, you might actually be paying less than them.  They pay by the hour I believe whereas you pay a monthly fee.  Let's say you play 20 hours a week, which is not really that much, then you pay approximately 17 cents an hour to play WoW.

Not really, if they pay only cents an hour its still a great chance we pay way more than they do even if they are hardcore.

So i totally discount the 6 million + asian number just like I discount any F2p asian sub number along with L2.

You can totally discount if you want, but your argument as to why you discount doesn't hold a lot of water.  Just so you know. 

It holds water, Once I get out of Work i'll see if I can find that damn article I read about WoW fees in asia and why its so popular there. Anyway if your going to count WoWs cyber caffee accounts in ASia then im going to count the 17million + L2 subs around the world  and noone does that.

 

Z3RO1 - you are mistaken about two very large important things: Blizzard does not get money directly from the Asian subscribers and the Asian market is not entirely China.

The9 pays Blizzard for the rights to distribute WoW in Asia, they pay The9.

Last I read is that even though Asian subscribers comprise 60% of WoW the Asian market contributes 40% of WoWs revenue.

Also, not every Asian pays cents on the hour to play WoW, thats just China. Why only China? Because thats what the Chinese will pay. The Koreans pay hourly as well but they pay a lot more. Other Asian countries pay monthly fees.

However, the myth that all Asians are Chinese and they pay nothing to play WoW will persist because of ignorance.