Originally posted by todeswulf

Originally posted by Kabel

Sandbox or bust.

 

Well prepared to be busted. I can say with some certianty that the hate Bioware feels for not only the SWG Vets, but the whole Sandbox concept runs pretty deep...Think of Anikin at the Tuskin camp, without the remorse later.

No sandbox, No Pre Cu, Pre NGE or anything similar....and look for a big ol perma ban for any vet that dares open their mouths on the forum.

 

While playing NWN from Bioware many very heated arguements went on in the forums and I do not remember any perma bans or even temp bans on posters.  Warnings were given over language and cautions given to calm the tempers down, but no bannings.  Same when NWN2 came out. The game was released by Obsidian, but the forums were hosted by Bioware.  I may not be interested in this game if it lacks the crafting and openeness of a sandbox, but I can say that Bioware does not run (ruin) their forums like SOE has and does.
 

Many players love the KotOR series and this game, if it is a KotOR based game, is aimed at them (lucky bastages!).  Without the depth of crafting and openess that SWG originally had, I will have to skip this.  If it has that level of crafting, openess of maps, and allows players true freedom of character, then I will sink in teeth and lock my jaws and call the game home.  Otherwise, gratz to those the game is tailored for.

Doesn't matter to me which time period of Star Wars the game is based on, as they all can offer the same gameplay.  Might not be an Empire in earlier time periods, but there were factions and that lends for RP and PvP.  And in the earlier time periods, less mass production of items by large companies, so could lend very well to in depth crafting.

Nothing is written in stone, basically still rumors at this stage, so we have no idea what will be released if they are releasing a Star Wars based MMO.  No matter if it is a game I will play or not, will be happy if they do release one and others enjoy it.  Untill they release another SW based game that offers similar gameplay to SWG, then guess I will be content with the forums here and remember what a truly unique and amazing game could be like.

Originally posted by Esquire1980

Originally posted by pdxgeek

If you listen carefully you can hear the SOE viral marketing machine spinning up.

 

Lets see;

SWG devs go pretty much silent on the Oboards.

DM bails and heads for DC

Blix bails and heads for DC

Finally the anouncement of "free server transfers" and in a few months time, the development schedule has not been decided on yet.

 

Yep, sounds about right for Kotor to be announced.

i'll be glad to see swg fold up but the statements made about this new game do nothing for me. not to mention that lucas arts is involved. no sale.

Originally posted by todeswulf

Originally posted by Kabel

Sandbox or bust.

 

Well prepared to be busted. I can say with some certianty that the hate Bioware feels for not only the SWG Vets, but the whole Sandbox concept runs pretty deep...Think of Anikin at the Tuskin camp, without the remorse later.

No sandbox, No Pre Cu, Pre NGE or anything similar....and look for a big ol perma ban for any vet that dares open their mouths on the forum.

 

That's the sense I get from everything I read and know already about Bioware and the KOTOR series.  Oh well.  I figure I'll play it for about 3 months before adding it to the mmo discard pile of game titles that all thought they could do WoW better than Blizzard.

Originally posted by todeswulf

 

Well prepared to be busted. I can say with some certianty that the hate Bioware feels for not only the SWG Vets, but the whole Sandbox concept runs pretty deep...Think of Anikin at the Tuskin camp, without the remorse later.

No sandbox, No Pre Cu, Pre NGE or anything similar....and look for a big ol perma ban for any vet that dares open their mouths on the forum.

 

Do you have any facts or links to reinforce your statement: "I can say with some certianty that the hate Bioware feels for not only the SWG Vets"? Or is it something that you 'hope' rather than 'know'?

Originally posted by Esquire1980

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Originally posted by Esquire1980

Originally posted by pdxgeek

If you listen carefully you can hear the SOE viral marketing machine spinning up.

 

Lets see;

SWG devs go pretty much silent on the Oboards.

DM bails and heads for DC

Blix bails and heads for DC

Finally the anouncement of "free server transfers" and in a few months time, the development schedule has not been decided on yet.

 

Yep, sounds about right for Kotor to be announced.

 

I think SOE losing a monopoly on the StarWars IP for MMOs can only be a good thing for everyone.

You know, our whole country used to have just one telephone service provider, and not that long ago.  They were just downright nasty to people from coast to coast.  Price gouging, horrible customer service, outright hostility or indifference to their customers.  (I'm sure there were some exceptions, but this was the tendency.)  Then one day the government just decided that having a monopoly on telephones was a bad thing, so they made it illegal.  Well competitors sprang up overnight.  Suddenly, prices started coming down and customer service began to improve.  Amazing... 

Yeah, I like the idea of another StarWars MMO very much, for a bunch of reasons.

 

Yeah, I'm old enough to remember the AT&T breakup altho they're up to some of their old ways again.  (AT&T buying out Southern Bell)

Is it a monopoly SOE is losing or an IP?  I could be wrong but just adding up the small clues.

Erm other way around.

A former "baby Bell" bought out AT&T, and started using their name.  The old Bell monopoly has been recreated less the Qwest (formerly USWest) part of it.

With the notable exception of long distance, the old Ma Bell is pretty much back in place.  There are still independent local operating companies scatttered about the country (Verizon for example), particularly in rural areas.

What SOE is on the verge of losing is a MMO monopoly on the Star Wars IP.  Lucas Arts supposedly wouldn't allow "classic" SWG, or launching the NGE as "SWG II".  They wanted the original game gone, for whatever reason.  Probably because they weren't happy with the original SWG because it wasn't an FPS type game froom the start...some sort of Jedi Outcast online thing.

Originally posted by todeswulf

Originally posted by Kabel

Sandbox or bust.

 

Well prepared to be busted. I can say with some certianty that the hate Bioware feels for not only the SWG Vets, but the whole Sandbox concept runs pretty deep...Think of Anikin at the Tuskin camp, without the remorse later.

No sandbox, No Pre Cu, Pre NGE or anything similar....and look for a big ol perma ban for any vet that dares open their mouths on the forum.

 

Why would you think Bioware hates SWG vets and the concept of "sandbox"?

I may just be ill-informed, but I never heard about this.

Now I have heard that a lot of SWG vets were begging Bioware to do a Star Wars Online game, but nothing about Bioware hatin on us...  

Originally posted by Soupgoblin

Originally posted by todeswulf

Originally posted by Kabel

Sandbox or bust.

 

Well prepared to be busted. I can say with some certianty that the hate Bioware feels for not only the SWG Vets, but the whole Sandbox concept runs pretty deep...Think of Anikin at the Tuskin camp, without the remorse later.

No sandbox, No Pre Cu, Pre NGE or anything similar....and look for a big ol perma ban for any vet that dares open their mouths on the forum.

 

 

Why would you think Bioware hates SWG vets and the concept of "sandbox"?

I may just be ill-informed, but I never heard about this.

Now I have heard that a lot of SWG vets were begging Bioware to do a Star Wars Online game, but nothing about Bioware hatin on us...  

they don't hate us. nge fanbois just spread that crap around because they all short stroke anything involving glowbats. however lucas arts is involved and giving them a playerbase is like giving a pistol to a chimp.

SWG Pre-CU was a great idea, and probably sounded great on paper.  In practice, it didn't pan out the way one would hope for a number of reasons which I won't get into here.

Personally, I like the idea of a Sandbox game - but I don't necessarily think a Star Wars MMO HAS to be one.  Just because SWG was originally conceived as a Sandbox, doesn't mean there isn't room for a different kind of SWG.  That being said, the NGE might have been truely remarkable had they just spent the time to develop it more.  Of course, much could be said the same about Pre-CU.

The only real hopes I have for a new Star Wars MMO is that they just treat it with some respect, instead of a wanna-be cash cow, like SOE turned SWG into.  Don't start making a bunch of content for the game that makes no sense.  Keep it within a reasonable restraint of the actual Lore and Era for that matter.  Combat doesn't have to be so overwhelmingly complex as long as it is fun, works, and makes sense.  Offer a substantial reason to play something besides a Jedi, and for that matter, offer other classes besides Jedi.

People will play the game for no other reason than it is Star Wars.  All you have to do is make a product that works and runs well.... that's all you have to do.  You can add the groundbreaking stuff later.  But all you need is to offer a game that doesn't completely bug out, and doesn't completely disrespect Star Wars Lore.  I don't really think that is too much to ask for.

Originally posted by Soupgoblin

Originally posted by todeswulf

Originally posted by Kabel

Sandbox or bust.

 

Well prepared to be busted. I can say with some certianty that the hate Bioware feels for not only the SWG Vets, but the whole Sandbox concept runs pretty deep...Think of Anikin at the Tuskin camp, without the remorse later.

No sandbox, No Pre Cu, Pre NGE or anything similar....and look for a big ol perma ban for any vet that dares open their mouths on the forum.

 

 

Why would you think Bioware hates SWG vets and the concept of "sandbox"?

I may just be ill-informed, but I never heard about this.

Now I have heard that a lot of SWG vets were begging Bioware to do a Star Wars Online game, but nothing about Bioware hatin on us...  

I very much doubt BioWare hates SWG Vets and/or Sandboxes. However I am pretty sure that BioWare will not make a Sandbox game. That is simply not their style. BioWare is known for story-driven games and they are excellent at Storytelling.

What I hope for a BioWare SW game, something that is not in other MMO's, is an alignment system where your choices actually matter and influence your character growth and a preferably ongoing, well-told story. That's what I am hoping for anyway.

 Since I featured the KOTORO on more then one Rodo Report   ( Which by the way can only be seen by my friends on MySpace until a sunset date for The NGE is announced ).

I am please to hear that the full official reveal is about to occur.  This will bring  forth the end of the NGE and my return to the Desk of the Rodo report to deliver its eulogy.  This abomination  deserves the stake of justification from the disfranchisement PreCU Veterans of SWG.

lol you are arguing over speculation at this point... so there really isnt any point... Personally i hope its nothing like SWG  past or present  SWG was crap imho.  But i believe bio knows this aswell. But who knows maybe all you swg lovers will get what you want.

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by permanent1

Just do not expect it to be similar to SWG pre-cu,cu or even NGE, no deep crafting, no player citys or houses...it will be all story and combat, they said they are not making a world simulator, so basicaly yeah just like Kotor but online,which for me is just blah kotor was an awesome single player game but does not fit as an MMO at all in my opinion, SWG is the only MMO i even cared to play beause it was so much different than single player offline games.

 

While I agree,. one should not expect Pre-CU SWG, I have no idea where you get the information that there will be no Player Cities or Houses and how deep/not deep the crafting system will be.

 

They said they are not making a world-simulator, sort of, but how does that relate to housing and crafting?

I am not sure myself but to me it says "we are not making another SWG and there will be no player cities".  

In my opinion and my opinion only...

It really doesn't matter if SWG is better.  It doesn't matter if KO has player housing or what ever.  It doesn't matter which one is more fun, has better graphics, is more true to cannon of which ever SW story it belongs to.

In the end when whatever new SW MMO comes out I believe SWG will be shut down by LA.  Aurguing about potential vs. what was is pointless for me.  All I can say is whatever comes out new better be pretty special.  Otherwise I'll just quack myself to sleep at night.  And all will be right in the SW universe.

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Soupgoblin

Originally posted by todeswulf

Originally posted by Kabel

Sandbox or bust.

 

Well prepared to be busted. I can say with some certianty that the hate Bioware feels for not only the SWG Vets, but the whole Sandbox concept runs pretty deep...Think of Anikin at the Tuskin camp, without the remorse later.

No sandbox, No Pre Cu, Pre NGE or anything similar....and look for a big ol perma ban for any vet that dares open their mouths on the forum.

 

 

Why would you think Bioware hates SWG vets and the concept of "sandbox"?

I may just be ill-informed, but I never heard about this.

Now I have heard that a lot of SWG vets were begging Bioware to do a Star Wars Online game, but nothing about Bioware hatin on us...  

 

I very much doubt BioWare hates SWG Vets and/or Sandboxes. However I am pretty sure that BioWare will not make a Sandbox game. That is simply not their style. BioWare is known for story-driven games and they are excellent at Storytelling.

 

What I hope for a BioWare SW game, something that is not in other MMO's, is an alignment system where your choices actually matter and influence your character growth and a preferably ongoing, well-told story. That's what I am hoping for anyway.

I like the idea of having a choice based alignment system, that was one of the things I realy liked about KOTOR (and D&D of course).

I would probably play the Biowar SW MMO no matter what since I am a big fan of the IP, I just hope that it will be as entertaining as other Bioware titles I have played.

Make room for another Wow killer.

Problem is they will need a new graveyard because the present one is filled up with dozens of them.

I still hope for a good Star Trek MMORPG.

SW is again fantasy.