I dont care if it was directly responsible for Jeff Freemans depression or not....there is no doubt that his time there trying to make peace with the "vets" affected him.

Several of them treated him like a dog. He tried in vain to make ammends with the mob.

All that forum is about is hate. Yet MMORPG continues to foster it, by providing a place to those that refuse to let go almost 3 years later.

Enough already....these folks have their own sites to wallow on.

A mainstream MMO site shouldnt be providing this type of atmosphere on their forums.

Is it going to take another person going off the deep end to get the message thru?

MMOs are games. Period.

Even if they are drastically changed, it shouldnt be a reason for a lynch mob to keep after those responsible for nearly 3 years. And there is no way on earth a MMO site should be allowing that type of mentality to frequent their site.

Maybe if a member of Jeffs family were to sue MMORPG it would get the point across...cause nothing else has seemed to change the status quo around here.

This is read...."Some folks need to wake the frack up".

you kow jeff's family posted in that forums , that thread to thank the vets didnt you?

so wonder why its good with them but not with you?

maybe you shuold calm down , get up , go outside , and pay attention to the situation before you look like an idiot again.

Swg Had nothing to do With that poor guy killing himself.

He had issues that were way more important than a retarded Videogame.

Leave the Vet forum where it is, those Ex players have a right to vent.

I can't believe someone actually thinks a Game like Swg and its fans/ haters made someone kill themselves.

I feel for that guys poor family.

Originally posted by Moaky07

This is read...."Some folks need to wake the frack up".

 

Er, and one of those folks would be, you.

No one is to blame for a person killing themselves except, that person.  For whatever reason they are pursued by personal demons that overtake them to the point that exiting this world seems like a sound idea.

Family, friends, co-workers and even those who posted hated filled messages on forums like this are not to blame for this, and they shouldn't think that they are.

Life's a b!tch and then we die.  Just a matter of when I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Trollstar

Originally posted by Moaky07

This is read...."Some folks need to wake the frack up".

 

Er, and one of those folks would be, you.

No one is to blame for a person killing themselves except, that person.  For whatever reason they are pursued by personal demons that overtake them to the point the exiting this world seems like a sound idea.

Family, friends, co-workers and even those who posted hated filled messages on forums like this are not to blame for this, and they shouldn't think that they are.

Life's a b!tch and then we die.  Just a matter of when I'm afraid.

 

Yeah the bottom line belongs with the person taking their life. I agree.

But that doesnt diminish the contributions by others leading up to it.

Several months back Jeff showed up to the forums trying to make peace with the vets.

Although some were understanding, others ripped him a new one. In the thread on these general brds ,about his death, someone was piping up about the damn game there as well.

Enough already.

MMOs are games...made by real life folks.

The "vets"  have complained for nearly 3 years. 

I sure didnt see comments by Jeffs family...and if indeed they did respond, then I am sure they were not aware of how folks treated him. "Hey thanks guys...Jeff is dead and you treated him like chit...but thanks for your two-faced words after the fact".

I am sure they would of been less than "friendly" had they known how he had been treated.

A man is dead. By his own hand or not isnt what is important...it showed the vets hating on him bothered him when he took several days to try to patch things with em.

Yet his efforts were wasted on a number of em...till he finally quit trying.

All those vets can attempt to take solace in the fact "he killed himself"...but to me the bottom line is they were wishing ill will on the NGE crew all along. Well their wish finally come true.

And as the RIP thread on this forum shows...there are some that still wont shut up about it.

The hate forums need to be removed from MMORPG.

Originally posted by Z3R01

Swg Had nothing to do With that poor guy killing himself.

He had issues that were way more important than a retarded Videogame.

Leave the Vet forum where it is, those Ex players have a right to vent.

I can't believe someone actually thinks a Game like Swg and its fans/ haters made someone kill themselves.

I feel for that guys poor family.

Well put, this thread is retarded.

Originally posted by Moaky07

 

Yeah the bottom line belongs with the person taking their life. I agree.

 

But that doesnt diminish the contributions by others leading up to it.

Several months back Jeff showed up to the forums trying to make peace with the vets.

Although some were understanding, others ripped him a new one. In the thread on these general brds ,about his death, someone was piping up about the damn game there as well.

Enough already.

 

MMOs are games...made by real life folks.

The "vets"  have complained for nearly 3 years. 

I sure didnt see comments by Jeffs family...and if indeed they did respond, then I am sure they were not aware of how folks treated him. "Hey thanks guys...Jeff is dead and you treated him like chit...but thanks for your two-faced words after the fact".

I am sure they would of been less than "friendly" had they known how he had been treated.

A man is dead. By his own hand or not isnt what is important...it showed the vets hating on him bothered him when he took several days to try to patch things with em.

Yet his efforts were wasted on a number of em...till he finally quit trying.

All those vets can attempt to take solace in the fact "he killed himself"...but to me the bottom line is they were wishing ill will on the NGE crew all along. Well their wish finally come true.

And as the RIP thread on this forum shows...there are some that still wont shut up about it.

The hate forums need to be removed from MMORPG.

1 Up did a show back on the 4th of July, and they discussed the state of online forums and how that one day a line would be crossed that would have serious consequences....I can't help but wonder with people on the vet forums saying such cruel things as: "it was sad Jeff escaped life without being punished for the NGE." if this is not what they were referring to, I do know that ABC is currently doing a report on Internet forums...WoW's in particular.

I don't think however that getting rid of the vet forum will solve anything...Jestor and his ilk will just set up shop somewhere else. No it's time to tame the Wild West of the Internet, Cyber stalking Cyber harassment need to have real consequences.

Originally posted by Z3R01

Swg Had nothing to do With that poor guy killing himself.

He had issues that were way more important than a retarded Videogame.

Leave the Vet forum where it is, those Ex players have a right to vent.

I can't believe someone actually thinks a Game like Swg and its fans/ haters made someone kill themselves.

I feel for that guys poor family.

3 years of venting isn't enough for a game?

His family has been clear it wasn't the game.

Originally posted by Trollstar

Originally posted by Moaky07

This is read...."Some folks need to wake the frack up".

 

Er, and one of those folks would be, you.

No one is to blame for a person killing themselves except, that person.  For whatever reason they are pursued by personal demons that overtake them to the point that exiting this world seems like a sound idea.

Family, friends, co-workers and even those who posted hated filled messages on forums like this are not to blame for this, and they shouldn't think that they are.

Life's a b!tch and then we die.  Just a matter of when I'm afraid.

 

Actually you are 100% wrong,the OP is correct in his assessment.I am only guessing but no one has ever heard of aggravated assault?The courts and the laws make use of it,therefore they and MANY people feel things outside of the norm can be cause for aggravated aggression.Heck this is also why they have psychiatrists,i am sure a few of the negative responses here have heard of one?

We are all different,your rational or reasoning may not be seen the same to someone else.One person may take offense to a a little gesturing another person may go off the deep edge,you just never know who.We just saw the AOC guy leave his post,you think he left for any reasons outside of a video game?as one person mentioned.Stress is VERY real in this world and we all know it and have felt it one time or another,so don't sit there and start criticizing the OP telling him he has no clue.

Just because you only see a few forum posts ,that does not mean there isn't hate mail sent to this guys house,maybe phone calls,maybe people yelling at him on the street,how would you know?The thing is that they all add up to a lot more than a few forum posts after 3 years.I think some here choose to only see the puny details and choose to not look at the whole picture as is real life.There are also some people who are as we call it FRAIL.Someone like me or another may shrug it of or laugh at it,or if it goes to far i might elbow you in the chops ,you never know,but remember ,like i said we are not all the same,some take pressure differently than others,some are frail and can't defend themselves in any form or fashion in society.

There is without question a lot of ridiculolus SWG hate,that it even bothers me,and i really couldn't care less about SOE or a video game,it is the childish/selfish people that bother me.Once you start seing blatant liesthe nit becomes fuel for fire to get many outsiders defending SOE and it's game,because in reality the majority can't stand whiners,especially those concerned with a video game.

Seems that some of the people posting in this thread should actually read the threads on Jeff in the SWG Refuge.  You will find that the majority of posters are offering kindess, sympathy, and sharing the grief with Jeff's family.  Yes, there are the "elite" few who will always post negative comments just because they can.  Sad that your answer to this is to punish those that tried to offfer emotional support to the family of the deceased by removing the medium by which the family and the Vets expressed their loss, the SWG Refuge.

*EDIT*  BTW, I am a SWG Vet and Expatriot of the game due to NGE.  Was my post in the thread to Jeff spiteful, hateful, flaming, or blaming?  No, it was not, it was an expression of sorrow to Jeff's family and a rebuke to those that chose to say ill about him when he was no longer around to defend himself.  Most of the post there followed those lines also, except those "elite" few.  I use "elite" to be polite and not flame others, take it as you will.

Originally posted by Alindale

Seems that some of the people posting in this thread should actually read the threads on Jeff in the SWG Refuge.  You will find that the majority of posters are offering kindess, sympathy, and sharing the grief with Jeff's family.  Yes, there are the "elite" few who will always post negative comments just because they can.  Sad that your answer to this is to punish those that tried to offfer emotional support to the family of the deceased by removing the medium by which the family and the Vets expressed their loss, the SWG Refuge.

Umm you are serious?he was no way at all concerned with those that show compassion,the vet forums he is eluding to is the nonsense and crap we read and see everyday.How you got that confused is beyond me and prolly 9 million other people.Or are you telling me all the forums that he wants removed are the 3 years of compassion?what planet you been on?I'm not even a SWG fan and i have seen the crap that goes on here,so i am sure all others have as well,especially you since you are commenting on it,you would know full well what has been going on,so don't go off playing dumb.

The compassion you are eluding too is the usual rubbish AFTER THE FACT we see all too often.There was no compassion before his death,now was there?so quit with the lies.I have seen this in real life ,fellow workers who cannot stand a guy,then he died and they start talking about how great the guy was...total BS,two faced people are the worst.

I see crap like this it makes me hot,people trying to twist the facts around to suit themselves and make the poster look bad.As a matter of fact THIS site has just posted the other day about keeping posts on WARHAMMER in line because that game is also getting out of control.I am surprised you didn't post after that telling the site GM that they shouldn't be sensoring WARHAMMER because it may remove the COMPASSIONATE posters...lol.

Originally posted by todeswulf

Originally posted by Moaky07

 

Yeah the bottom line belongs with the person taking their life. I agree.

 

But that doesnt diminish the contributions by others leading up to it.

Several months back Jeff showed up to the forums trying to make peace with the vets.

Although some were understanding, others ripped him a new one. In the thread on these general brds ,about his death, someone was piping up about the damn game there as well.

Enough already.

 

MMOs are games...made by real life folks.

The "vets"  have complained for nearly 3 years. 

I sure didnt see comments by Jeffs family...and if indeed they did respond, then I am sure they were not aware of how folks treated him. "Hey thanks guys...Jeff is dead and you treated him like chit...but thanks for your two-faced words after the fact".

I am sure they would of been less than "friendly" had they known how he had been treated.

A man is dead. By his own hand or not isnt what is important...it showed the vets hating on him bothered him when he took several days to try to patch things with em.

Yet his efforts were wasted on a number of em...till he finally quit trying.

All those vets can attempt to take solace in the fact "he killed himself"...but to me the bottom line is they were wishing ill will on the NGE crew all along. Well their wish finally come true.

And as the RIP thread on this forum shows...there are some that still wont shut up about it.

The hate forums need to be removed from MMORPG.

 

1 Up did a show back on the 4th of July, and they discussed the state of online forums and how that one day a line would be crossed that would have serious consequences....I can't help but wonder with people on the vet forums saying such cruel things as: "it was sad Jeff escaped life without being punished for the NGE." if this is not what they were referring to, I do know that ABC is currently doing a report on Internet forums...WoW's in particular.

I don't think however that getting rid of the vet forum will solve anything...Jestor and his ilk will just set up shop somewhere else. No it's time to tame the Wild West of the Internet, Cyber stalking Cyber harassment need to have real consequences.

You are a fascist.

Actually I am going by what I have read since I joined this site.  Under my name shows my join date.  There is no way I can go back and read every post in every forum in that short of a time.  I have seen flaming of SOE and I have posted my own dislike for Blixtev, but have seen no flaming of Jeff untill the RIP thread and that was by the "elite" few that I mentioned.

I cannot say there was not harsh comments posted here about Jeff in the past few years as I know there had to be.  What I am saying is that the vet community here has been supportive of Jeff's family after their loss.

No matter what game you play, when changes are made, people will use forums to flame that game and its staff.  But what the OP is suggesting is to remove a forum that has done nothing more than what other forums do, and that is to allow players to express themselves in regards to that game.  The OP wants to punish the SWG vets as a whole, instead of requesting that specific people be censored or banned for their comments and behavior and that is unethical.  To do so would mean that any forum that flamed any gaming staff or gaming designer (as is the reason behind the OP's thread here) should be banned immediately.  If this were to happen, this would be a site without any forums as they would all be banned.  Responsibility starts with the poster, and in lieu of that, it ends with the Moderators.  If you do not think that a person's post in good taste and they should be warned, you should report it to a Moderator.  Asking to ban an entire forum based on certain members behavior punishes those that did nothing wrong also and is unethical.

That is about all I can say on this and will not post further on it.  I do not want anyone to feel I am answering to, catering to, or trying to start a flame war on the subject.

OK listen up SWG refugee haters, time for a smack of truth to your face..

First off yes, i'm a pre-NGE SWG refugee, yes i hated some things they did to the game but i (like MANY others) did not and do not blame one man for it, the money makers who are above the lead designers are the ones that turned round and said "do it" (as in make the changes happen), Jeff was just (as stated in a writeup i read) the frontman for the NGE. also as staed in the same writeup the game had nothing to do with his death, i aint deluded though, it may have been the cherry on top of his other problems but it wasn't the main factor or a primary factor of his demise...

People on this thread have blamed us vets as a whole community based on the actions of some immature members of the community, does this mean that your community is also flawed and your all retards (excuse the term as i hate it myself), let me see now, i've played MMORPG's for around 7 years now, in all that time i've seen hate by members of ALL games communities, WoW in particular, their hatred to other MMO's purely cause they are different is so intense that it's borderline madness, does this make the WHOLE WoW community rotten to the core? no it doesn't (use any game community you wish they all have the rotten apples).

I'm personally sick and tired of an entire community being held accountable for the actions of a few. those that blame an entire community in this manner are simple, narrow minded individuals who need to stop thier hatered for the sake of it.  get a job, get a life and chill out, THINK BEFORE POSTING YOU MORONS..

on the subject of removing the vets refugee forum all i can say is do you want the bad apples to spread?  that sort of thread keeps them seperate from the rest of the MMORPG.com community, let them flame/vent there, i say every game forum on here needs one, that way it keeps the rotten apples seperate from the intelligent posters.

Another idiot posting his opinion on a public forum dedicated to posting opinions about how other people shouldn't be allowed to post their opinions?

k.

Better there than in the normal SWG thread.  Some very bitter people out there.  Personally Smedley is the only one directly responsible for that mess.  Sure LA wanted some changes, but Smedley had to approve them and assigned the team to do it.  As HT used to say the buck stops here.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Another idiot posting his opinion on a public forum dedicated to posting opinions about how other people shouldn't be allowed to post their opinions?

k.

opinions are like assholes m8.  everyone's got one..

"I don't think however that getting rid of the vet forum will solve anything...Jestor and his ilk will just set up shop somewhere else. No it's time to tame the Wild West of the Internet, Cyber stalking Cyber harassment need to have real consequences.
"

It wont stop it entirely...but it would end it on this site.

This is supposed to be a site about MMOs, and news pertaining to them.

Not a glorified "hate club". That is grade school BS.

MMORPG.com would be a lot better place if this stuff wasnt allowed. Instead it gives credence to folks like Jestor...who wouldnt receive the time of day on nearly any other site.

I am sure some law enforcement agencies would love to get their hands on the vets posts from this site the past 3 years. From those alone you would find conspiracy to destroy property(the ones that used to damage game boxes on shelves and call upon others to as well), threats made to SOE(Wildcats threat of website if SOE didnt open classic servers), general hate inspired actions, and IP infringement...or whatever else.

These are just things off the top of my head.

When Jeff died it took on a real face around here.

Put an end to it Stratton.

Make this a site about present/future games...not wallowing in the past.

hhhmmm

Originally posted by Moaky07

"I don't think however that getting rid of the vet forum will solve anything...Jestor and his ilk will just set up shop somewhere else. No it's time to tame the Wild West of the Internet, Cyber stalking Cyber harassment need to have real consequences.
"

 

It wont stop it entirely...but it would end it on this site.

 

This is supposed to be a site about MMOs, and news pertaining to them.

Not a glorified "hate club". That is grade school BS.

MMORPG.com would be a lot better place if this stuff wasnt allowed. Instead it gives credence to folks like Jestor...who wouldnt receive the time of day on nearly any other site.

I am sure some law enforcement agencies would love to get their hands on the vets posts from this site the past 3 years. From those alone you would find conspiracy to destroy property(the ones that used to damage game boxes on shelves and call upon others to as well), threats made to SOE(Wildcats threat of website if SOE didnt open classic servers), general hate inspired actions, and IP infringement...or whatever else.

These are just things off the top of my head.

When Jeff died it took on a real face around here.

Put an end to it Stratton.

Make this a site about present/future games...not wallowing in the past.

the sentence i underlined says it all..  this site is about MMO's.  therefore EVERYONE speaking about an MMORPG is allowed their own personal opinion whether it be a past, present or future MMO, fair enough i agree that NOWHERE never mind just this site, could do without some of the posts that have been done but do you really think removing that thread will solve anything??  at the moment it's contained in one section, you remove that you'll spill it all over the place, and as i said before, it aint just some SWG community that spouts filth, EVERY MMO game out has their rotten apples..