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Soupgoblin
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Joined: 4/30/05
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10/06/08 4:02:58 PM#161
Originally posted by CobraSolidus
Well 1000 times... Good that you could come up with such an accurate and mature number ;). Another thing, you say AoC is about kill or being killed only? What you mention is only one of the facets of this game which is called minigame. You have 48vs48 sieges (happening much more often than what you are aware of. Speak with Avery on this one), you have PvP as in the notority system (a very advanced version of Lineage II system), you have a fanastic PvE content and an unmatched atmosphere (LotRO is very close though) which gives awesome possibilities for RP. WAR is about Kill as you say, thats pretty much the only thing you can do. And do not pretend that you are not aware of that. The chat in WAR is totally dead. There is no lateral communication going on between gamers. PvE is a joke (at least to AoC gamers), and the RP environment just totally absent. Finally, god forbid AoC taking a step back into a A vs B diplomacy type of conflict. AoC offers the full complexity of multiple nations in war or at least in strained relations with eachother. Future expansions will only add to this beutifull complex plot more nations and more intrigues (like Khitai in next expansion pack). Bottom line is, I think you just do not like the game. Have insight enough though, to understand that is just your oppinion. There is in fact an increasing population which really likes AoC, and I think subnumbers will demonstarte that once they get published later this year.
Do you even play AoC? There is not "in fact" an increasing population which realy likes AoC, the population is in decline (albeit slower than it has been). AoC does not offer "multiple nations in war". Any expansion packs are at least a year away, heck, the next update is at least 2 months away, and that is needed just to staunch the flow of players leaving en masse. AoC was fun to play for a couple of months, but when you realise that the only "complex" idea in the entire game is the melee combo system, and that to Funcom "community relations" means an occasional post in the EU forums (scroo the US forums), you get bored and re-play all your single play games (due to a lack of decent MMOs on the market). I have been playing off and on for awhile, hoping that Funcom could pull it's head out just long enough to be honest with it's customers, and to make an effort to fix the game before it is too late. I am quickly realizing that Funcom bit off more than it could chew, they have proven their incompetence on almost every level of development (excluding graphical programming). And please stop standing behind everyone blowing smoke, if you truly enjoy AoC, why do you spend the majority of your time on other forums trying to make believe it is great instead of playing AoC, or posting on the AoC forums?
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10/06/08 4:29:36 PM#162
Originally posted by Soupgoblin
Do you even play AoC? There is not "in fact" an increasing population which realy likes AoC, the population is in decline (albeit slower than it has been). AoC does not offer "multiple nations in war". Any expansion packs are at least a year away, heck, the next update is at least 2 months away, and that is needed just to staunch the flow of players leaving en masse. AoC was fun to play for a couple of months, but when you realise that the only "complex" idea in the entire game is the melee combo system, and that to Funcom "community relations" means an occasional post in the EU forums (scroo the US forums), you get bored and re-play all your single play games (due to a lack of decent MMOs on the market). I have been playing off and on for awhile, hoping that Funcom could pull it's head out just long enough to be honest with it's customers, and to make an effort to fix the game before it is too late. I am quickly realizing that Funcom bit off more than it could chew, they have proven their incompetence on almost every level of development (excluding graphical programming). And please stop standing behind everyone blowing smoke, if you truly enjoy AoC, why do you spend the majority of your time on other forums trying to make believe it is great instead of playing AoC, or posting on the AoC forums?
See culture servers please. The rest if just a users opinion, and no facts, please treat them as such. |
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10/06/08 4:39:19 PM#163
Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
Do you even play AoC? There is not "in fact" an increasing population which realy likes AoC, the population is in decline (albeit slower than it has been). AoC does not offer "multiple nations in war". Any expansion packs are at least a year away, heck, the next update is at least 2 months away, and that is needed just to staunch the flow of players leaving en masse. AoC was fun to play for a couple of months, but when you realise that the only "complex" idea in the entire game is the melee combo system, and that to Funcom "community relations" means an occasional post in the EU forums (scroo the US forums), you get bored and re-play all your single play games (due to a lack of decent MMOs on the market). I have been playing off and on for awhile, hoping that Funcom could pull it's head out just long enough to be honest with it's customers, and to make an effort to fix the game before it is too late. I am quickly realizing that Funcom bit off more than it could chew, they have proven their incompetence on almost every level of development (excluding graphical programming). And please stop standing behind everyone blowing smoke, if you truly enjoy AoC, why do you spend the majority of your time on other forums trying to make believe it is great instead of playing AoC, or posting on the AoC forums?
See culture servers please. The rest if just a users opinion, and no facts, please treat them as such.
So are you resubscribed or not Mr Bloodsworth? Some posts you claim you havent and others you appear to indicate that you are playing actively - WHICH IS IT? -Lum |
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10/06/08 6:15:22 PM#164
Originally posted by lumache See culture servers please. The rest if just a users opinion, and no facts, please treat them as such.
So are you resubscribed or not Mr Bloodsworth? Some posts you claim you havent and others you appear to indicate that you are playing actively - WHICH IS IT?
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Originally posted by Soupgoblin Let me explain. Mr. CobraSolidus is a FC employee. His less than a month year old account was created with the sole purpose of telling people how awesome AoC is and how much WAR sucks. Just look at his post history. The guy spends hours a day in AoC or WAR forums doing his propaganda. His posts are always bias and ridicilous. Your question is a good one. People who like the game don't spend much time in forums because they are too busy playing the game. People who hate the game usually spend more time bitching about it because they are bored and disappointed and with AoC, they want the game to fail because they feel cheated. It really is a shame that we have people like CobraSolidus and AmazingAvery on these forums. You really can't believe anything they say because you never know if they are talking the truth or lying to keep their job. |
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Distopia
 Drifter
Joined: 11/22/05
If it contains the words video and game, it must be a WOW clone. |
10/07/08 2:36:58 AM#166
Originally posted by Scared Do you have evidence to back any of this up? I could say the same exact thing about most haters here, they've made hundreds of posts in only a few months and only about AOC (with plugs about their favorite game). Regardless saying it doesn't make it true, now does it? For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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10/07/08 2:37:16 AM#167
Originally posted by Azrile
You are talking about the 'theory' of warhammer. The problem is that this theory is just not reflected in gameplay. In warhammer, very few people are goind RvR on a massive scale. Instead, people are joining groups to do PQ's and then disbanding them as soon as they get their reward. But the majority of the players are doing nothing but grinding scenerios. Overland objectives are not being fought over, all you have is people running around doing solo pve-quests until they get into a scenerio mini-game. The people who are doing RvR aren't meeting player resistence, they only have to overcome the NPCs. There was already a city captured after 2 weeks (endgame pvp), and in order to accomplish the ultimate pvp event, they had to overcome NO player resistence...everyone was in scenarios. The theory of Warhammer is that you have this big " us vs them' game going on... that you were a foot soldier in a war against 'the enemy'. But the gameplay just has not worked out like that.. instead it's about everyone just trying to play scenerios and get as much bling as quickly as possible. The theory of the game of Warhammer is great, but the actual MMORPG isn't.
This is laughable. AOC isn t slightly anything over WAR. First of all have you seen end game in WAR? It exsist at release where AOC might have some of it functioning. Second people are trying to level to get to the meat of the game, and guess what theres content all the way. You see where i m going. Now if you have seen tier 4 and what it has to offer, you wouldn t say theres noopen rvr happening, and AOC is better, because that simply isn t true for most people. WAR is 2 weeks old, AOC is 5 months old and WAR is ahead in literally all aspects. I ll tell ya what in 4+ months come back and see where AOC is now in customer appreciation and subs and WAR will be then. |
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Distopia
Drifter
Joined: 11/22/05
If it contains the words video and game, it must be a WOW clone. |
10/07/08 2:39:15 AM#168
Originally posted by Deto123
This is laughable. AOC isn t slightly anything over WAR. First of all have you seen end game in WAR? It exsist at release where AOC might have some of it functioning. Second people are trying to level to get to the meat of the game, and guess what theres content all the way. You see where i m going. Now if you have seen tier 4 and what it has to offer, you wouldn t say theres noopen rvr happening, and AOC is better, because that simply isn t true for most people. WAR is 2 weeks old, AOC is 5 months old and WAR is ahead in literally all aspects. I ll tell ya what in 4+ months come back and see where AOC is now in customer appreciation and subs and WAR will be then.
I completely agree with him, I feel AOC is a better game. However that doesn't make it so, it's called an opinion. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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10/07/08 2:42:20 AM#169
Originally posted by Malickie
This is laughable. AOC isn t slightly anything over WAR. First of all have you seen end game in WAR? It exsist at release where AOC might have some of it functioning. Second people are trying to level to get to the meat of the game, and guess what theres content all the way. You see where i m going. Now if you have seen tier 4 and what it has to offer, you wouldn t say theres noopen rvr happening, and AOC is better, because that simply isn t true for most people. WAR is 2 weeks old, AOC is 5 months old and WAR is ahead in literally all aspects. I ll tell ya what in 4+ months come back and see where AOC is now in customer appreciation and subs and WAR will be then.
I completely agree with him, I feel AOC is a better game. However that doesn't make it so, it's called an opinion.
As did the poster previous, he had an opinion that WAR is better. |
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Distopia
Drifter
Joined: 11/22/05
If it contains the words video and game, it must be a WOW clone. |
10/07/08 2:44:26 AM#170
Originally posted by Deto123
I completely agree with him, I feel AOC is a better game. However that doesn't make it so, it's called an opinion.
As did the poster previous, he had an opinion that WAR is better. Which is exactly why I didn't call his opinion laughable. Maybe the point eluded you, sorry my bad... For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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10/07/08 2:50:26 AM#171
Originally posted by Malickie
I completely agree with him, I feel AOC is a better game. However that doesn't make it so, it's called an opinion.
As did the poster previous, he had an opinion that WAR is better. Which is exactly why I didn't call his opinion laughable. Maybe the point eluded you, sorry my bad... I agree he s entitled to his opinion, everyone is of course. The thing is one poster said why he feels WAR is better and another poster says in theory. This isn t true at all. He s right when he says a good guild or group of people, trying to achieve the same goal makes a big difference. The true fun in the game are imo anyways the tier3-4 keep takes with long battles, and many people involved. Win or lose when you re palying witha good group/guild, the constant battles are an absolute blast. All i can say for myself is i didn t once get even close to that feeling in AOC. So, in reality in theory he s wrong because the game plays just like he claimed as theory. Just go find some people to play it with i guess. |
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Originally posted by Malickie Do you have evidence to back any of this up? I could say the same exact thing about most haters here, they've made hundreds of posts in only a few months and only about AOC (with plugs about their favorite game). Regardless saying it doesn't make it true, now does it?
Well, Avery is paid, that's common knowledge. He probably gets free subscriptions, steak dinners and maybe even cash money. I have no hard evidence against CobraSolidus and I don't need it. Me and Cobra both know the truth. If you don't believe me, I couldn't care less. But before you make up your mind, go read his post history. Especially his comments about WAR. Most people are naive and don't believe devs have accounts here and on other forums. Trust me, they read all the topics here and also participate in the discussion. What would you do if your job was on the line? It's free, easy and you can't get caught because there's no "evidence". Just write: "This is the bestest game eva!" and you'll get a couple of suckers to subscribe. Why wouldn't they do that? You are right, I'm sure some of the haters here are employees of Blizzard or other companies. However, I haven't seen many plugs about other games. It's mainly just all hate towards AoC. I have plugged Guild Wars 2 myself but that's because I'm a huge fan of GW. It doesn't mean I work for them. Or maybe does it.. |
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Distopia
Drifter
Joined: 11/22/05
If it contains the words video and game, it must be a WOW clone. |
10/07/08 3:10:59 AM#173
Originally posted by Deto123 Then again that all depends on circumstance though, some servers are going to be different of course. I pretty much experienced what Azrile did in WAR, granted it was open beta and not much establishment had been made. Personally I disliked WAR for other reasons. It's the PVP itself that has a serious flaw( at least IMO). The zerg mentality created by the world RVR design is just a huge turn off. Sure in a guild with vent you'd have a slight advantage due to cooperation. Regardless of that spawn points are to close to objectives IMO. Causing a never ending wave of reinforcements to the line. Very bad decision IMO, I understand why they did it, they want you to never stop fighting. However it offers no punishment for losing the battle and the victory is never complete. One thing I like about AOC is that PVP usually comes on a one on one random basis. Meaning If I win, I continue on my journney, and the other guy has to start over or visa versa. That's only one aspect I enjoy in aoc though, there's much more I like and some things about WAR I liked.There's plenty in both I don't like, if not more than I actually like. The only thing I hate in any mmo is instanced scenario style pvp. Which both have.. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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10/08/08 9:27:24 AM#174
Scared, Provided the frequency of yourself claiming other people being "employees" of whatever companies, and provided that you generally sound as an intelligent person, who apparently should have more important things in his life beyond kicking dead horses, I can not help the impression that you are an employee of some MMO company yourself. This looks like a regular FUD skirmish from the marketing/fan department of some (upcoming?) competing MMORPG. Let me guess... Darkfall?.. |
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Originally posted by ruslans
True, I have more important things in life than kicking a dead horse, aka FC. But sometimes people use their time unwisely. Some people watch tv, some people like to see AoC fail. I see FC kinda like as an ex-girlfriend who stole my money and cheated on me for months before getting caught. Of course I will break up with her and move on, but deep inside I get pleasure if she suffers and is unhappy, because I feel she deserves it. It's evil but that's human nature. We like it when bad things happen to bad people. At work, I have a couple of minutes a day to visit these forums and I do my part in putting FC's lying, amateur management out of a job. These people should have no place in MMO industry. I hope Erling goes next. Unfortunately I don't work for any MMO company, but if I did, I would hope it would be better than Darkfall It will be a glorious day when FC goes bankrupt, and I will be here the day it happens. |
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10/09/08 4:47:33 AM#176
Or this analogy.. She cheated on ya, and then realized what she got was not that good, and decided to come back...only now she is going out of her way to pleasure you even moreso...She is twice as wild in the bedroom, cooks for you all the time or even will eventually pay for your meal to show you how much she feels she messed up... Might at well use that to my advantage and take her back...and if she screws up again dump her (you should see how she jumps when I tell her to get me a beer) |
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10/09/08 6:03:42 AM#177
AOC, like AO at release, has potential.
In a year? It may be the best thing since sliced bread, once you get used to the grabass zonelines and odd warp NPC placement in relation to what neighboring terrain is.
The engine is laughibly bad, even for a beefed up AO engine (and it is) - I doubt it will run properly on any system for the next several years simply due to that. The texturing, skills, controls, sound, leveling is all pretty decent, though I did learn to hate Conarch Valley or whatever it is. (Snowy area with nasty frostgiant things)
I really felt that... They did such a good job on Tortage, the lack of polish and general odd problems with the game later on came to leave a sour taste in alot of peopels' mouths. (Tortage is excellence!)
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10/09/08 6:41:10 AM#178
Originally posted by Cams69 You have not tried the engine recently then...but of course, hardware is required.. I have a 4870 512mb, 4 gigs and Vista 64, and get a constant 60FPS ...WITH Shadows.. So, the game engine is future proofed. This same system though runs Vanguard, LOTRO, EQ2 and WAR like crap...why? Backwards looking engines. But, as to the Tortage statement ..I agree. I have stated in the past, 40 levels would have been enough. Polish that 40, add full voiceovers, and then worked on PvP AFTER launch, and then 3 months down the road, release it as a free content update. The bitching then would have been 50% less...guaranteed. |
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10/09/08 7:42:59 AM#179
Bad people? Man, are you serious? You mean, all 150+ people working in the company? Everyone personally cheated on you, humiliated you and stole you money? What about
Speaking in the language of your "ex-girlfriend" metaphor: And then, when her grandpa finally gets a cancer, it's the best day in your pathetic life. |
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10/09/08 8:01:53 AM#180
Originally posted by ruslans
I think a more accurate "ex-girlfriend" metaphor for AoC would be: You're out and see this attractive woman at the bar/club/whatever. You two start chatting, have some drinks, dance, and enjoy each other's company for a few hours. Then you get her home and find out that "she" is a pre-op tranny. |
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If ArenaNet needs more people for marketing, I might apply.