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  Burnthebed

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9/30/08 2:45:10 PM#21
Originally posted by Goldknyght
Originally posted by Ravanos

 

is the game perfect? eh of course not but "rushed, unfinished buggy release"? just smells of a WoWboi stink.


 

Why does everyone think that if you bash WAR you are automatically a damn WOWboi? WoW blows, its the main reason mmo's dont have that spark anymore.


 

It's a strange thing isn't it? It seems to happen to people who dislike any game other than WoW though, not just WAR

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  Daffid011

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9/30/08 2:55:23 PM#22
Originally posted by Goldknyght
Originally posted by Ravanos

 

is the game perfect? eh of course not but "rushed, unfinished buggy release"? just smells of a WoWboi stink.


 

Why does everyone think that if you bash WAR you are automatically a damn WOWboi? WoW blows, its the main reason mmo's dont have that spark anymore.

 

They do it for the same reason people blame WoW for the failures of so many other MMO developers.

Strange similarity don't you think?

 

 

 

  summitus

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9/30/08 2:56:31 PM#23
Originally posted by Burnthebed

I can't wait for the knight of the blazing sun to come back. The empire needs some meat shields!

Also, the black guard was the class I planned on playing before they were cut so I'll be interested in trying one, even though I don't play destro at all right now =P


 

Yeah that was my fave in Beta and was gutted when they removed em  ....  

  Ravanos

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9/30/08 2:59:23 PM#24
Originally posted by Goldknyght
Originally posted by Ravanos

 

is the game perfect? eh of course not but "rushed, unfinished buggy release"? just smells of a WoWboi stink.


 

Why does everyone think that if you bash WAR you are automatically a damn WOWboi? WoW blows, its the main reason mmo's dont have that spark anymore.


 

because more often than not thats the case, ive seen so many times "omg AOC/WAR or any other game sucks" with Xfire tags with thousands of hours put into WoW.

like i said the game isn't perfect but the whole "rushed, unfinished buggy release" is ridiculous ... maybe its something on his end.

  Z3R01

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9/30/08 3:09:39 PM#25

I'm happy that the Mythic devs plan to release these classes sooner rather than later.

Once the four classes are in I will be happy to subscribe to WAR.

At least for the initial 30 days to try the game out.

Playing: None

Waiting on: None

  User Deleted
9/30/08 3:25:51 PM#26

On the subject of the cut cities, why would anyone want them to put them in?

I mean, let's be honest here, how much % of your gaming time have you spent in the 1 city? It's practically always empty so why would you want Mythic to spend a couple of millions in ressources to add 4 more?

I think that's why he avoided the subject, he realises that it's just not worth the time and effort to put them in. At least, not until theres a reason to.

 

I say focus on the bugs/issues and a way to improve population balance across the world, get the 4 cut classes back in and then you can think about other stuff. That way, people that are holding off like me might be able to play in 6-12 months :)

 

 

Btw, anyone who says the game wasn't rushed is on drugs. Of course it was, even a monkey could figure that one out. Mythic was basicly stuck between releasing the game a bit early to not directly compete with Wrath of the Lich King or wait a few more months hoping that Blizzard drops the ball. We all know that Blizzard never fails so option 2 was a no go. Mythic was stuck between 2 lousy choices, they picked the only logical one

  fansede

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9/30/08 3:34:18 PM#27

So far I can tell the times Order needed a Tank in scenarios far outnumber the times we had enough dps not to care.  There were a few times the scenarios had one Ironbreaker on the whole team.

Has anyone found a server where Order is more than Chaos? Even when servers are full the ques for Chaos are longer than Order. Chosen has to be the most played character this point. I don't have real numbers, just my experiences in games on three servers.

The classes that were cut must have been so piss poor. Did anyone who play closed beta or the demos play the hammerer /choppa?

I can understand the Blackguard being cut because the Elven pairing seemed to be worked on last. It seemed they wanted WAR out before Lich King so that was the best solution. Knight of the Blazing Sun did not seem to get any love either. Even Paul Barnett described their introduction akin to "players who like to tank," and with little superlatives or much else.

The jury may still be out on overall picture of things, but my humble experience tells me that all the other classes are solid, but not so overwhelmingly awesome that I can say 'what a neat concept".  What really makes me keep logging in is the RvR teamplay.

Sure there are some "fun" abilities out there, like the knockbacks ( I do enjoy punting a goblin off the hll in Stonetroll crossing. And I don't mind getting punted myself.) However, they are the morale abilites. The Healer morale abilties ( at least on Order) are the same. Lvl 1 Big Heal, Lvl 2 Aoe Life Siphon, etc.) so where is the orginality in that?

So I find the Line " They (the cut classes) were not great" hard to swallow, given what I know now about the launched classes. They are mirrors and there seems little variation. They all seem good for the game. Great ? Maybe my standards are higher. Great to me means unique style, strategy and abilities. Only time will tell if they ever do add these classes. So far, it falls under "we talked about it a lot" category.  Promise us in the name of the Sigmar or Tzeetch and then I will listen more.

  Redmow

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9/30/08 3:38:21 PM#28

 Bug filled? Sorry guys, I don't see that. Imbalance? Perhaps, but I am seeing people getting stomped and doing the stomping of all classes. Depends on the gamers grasp of battle and how well he or she understands their class.

 Healer standing up to a tank? I don't think so. Ranged vs. melee? I see ranged whooping peoples behinds if they don't close on them. But, if they do happen to close (because the range type is just standing there) yeah, they get whooped.

 My only main concern at this time is the chat...and maybe add some crafting instructions in the Lore Book. I have salvaging and I am dumb...I can't figure out what to do with those little wisp looking things I get out of stuff. hehe.

 But, in regards to all the people complaining, I pity all game devs of every game. People get outta hand real quick. But, I've seen the same things on all the games I've played....and I've been a gamer for a long butt time. It seems peoples patience has worn out.

 At least these devs have been forthright with us. Seems that hasn't paid off, either. So why should any dev be honest with anybody anymore? It doesn't pay. They get stomped if they do or don't.

  ronan32

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9/30/08 3:41:05 PM#29
Originally posted by Scalebane
Originally posted by iceberg2ice

funny how they are discussing about extra content when the game is so full of bugs and imperfections... and the warhammeralliance forum does not even allow posting about them... they should be looking at fixing the rushed unfinished buggy release first before even thinking about adding more content...

 

Thats wonderful fan sites for you, thats why Mythic is using them to hide the problems, thats why they don't have their own forums, to hide from the problems, oh they go around looking at what people are saying (thats why whats his face in the interview probably seems kinda hurt from how people are judging the game so early)  but still i think they made things worse by having things spread out, then on their own forums, least some companies care enough about their playerbase that they give ya a home =P

I'll just say that the game is in beta..oh wait..i kid i kid but still that was an excuse for a long time and things that should have been fixed never did get fixed if they don't have people staying on after the first free month its because they don't wanna pay for beta testing which with all the issues its starting to feel that way.

I personaly will stay till my free month is up then cancel, i'll check back on the game when more problems are gone and the things that should have been released are in the game =)

 

Why should mythic pay people to lock  posts like yours everyday..all you would do is bitch on the forums anyway.

  Manchine

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9/30/08 3:51:23 PM#30
Originally posted by Ravanos
Originally posted by iceberg2ice

funny how they are discussing about extra content when the game is so full of bugs and imperfections... and the warhammeralliance forum does not even allow posting about them... they should be looking at fixing the rushed unfinished buggy release first before even thinking about adding more content...


 

eh maybe im just lucky but the only bug i have seen is the "incorrect password" bug i got the other night. other than that my game has been running pretty darn good ... sure theres a crash here and there ... but um what game doesn't.

heck eq2 crashes on me every once in a while, and my friends WoW game crashed just the other night.

is the game perfect? eh of course not but "rushed, unfinished buggy release"? just smells of a WoWboi stink.


 

Thats exactly what I was thinking.  For lower end comp users I know there are some problems.  Personally I haven't had any.  This HATE thing is really getting old and tiresome.  My ignore list is getting bigger and bigger because of Stupidity.

  Narshe

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9/30/08 3:51:57 PM#31

I wish people would at least list the bugs they claim the game is riddled with. I have been playing since launch, and the only lingering bug I've had problems with besides the occasional Tome text problem is the ever annoying "target out of range" bug. Out of 700 quests, I only had a problem completing one--reported it, and received a message that it would be fixed in the next hotfix, and it was. Oh, and the occasional Altdorf crash. Other than that, absolutely no problems.

 

 

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  Locklain

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9/30/08 3:58:09 PM#32
Originally posted by Narshe

I wish people would at least list the bugs they claim the game is riddled with. I have been playing since launch, and the only lingering bug I've had problems with besides the occasional Tome text problem is the ever annoying "target out of range" bug. Out of 700 quests, I only had a problem completing one--reported it, and received a message that it would be fixed in the next hotfix, and it was. Oh, and the occasional Altdorf crash. Other than that, absolutely no problems.

 

 

Its because people's computers are riddled with spam, adware, viruses, and the likes from all of their porn.  If they would run a virus scanner and update Windows once a year they may find the computer works a lot better.

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  budgetnudist

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9/30/08 4:29:18 PM#33

Why do all the classes have to be right handed? Does anyone care about left handed people out there?

  Mikey_205

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9/30/08 4:41:02 PM#34

WAR seems a good game but the performance issues just irritate me too much.

 

WoW is a good game! WoW's success has sparked all MMORPGs to follow its design which isnt good and has killed off innovation if you want to blame anyone blame companys trying to copy it to steal its subscribers and the increased costs of producing video games in modern times which make innovation very risky for all companies.

  fansede

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Pain is fear leaving the body..

9/30/08 4:41:05 PM#35
Originally posted by Redmow

 My only main concern at this time is the chat..

The game is so team based, that there is a distinct disadvantage of teams not working with Teamspeak or Vent versus teams without it. So most guilds (and therefore most players) communicate via guild chat or Vent/Teamspeak. The region/area chat systems are therefore quiet.  Compared to WoW, where the game is more solo oriented, chat boards are active.

I have salvaging and I am dumb...I can't figure out what to do with those little wisp looking things I get out of stuff. hehe.

You are not dumb, I had trouble figuring it out too. Those echos and whispers you make have to be turned into magic essences which are in turn, used for Talisman crafters. Right click your cluster of raw wisps and every 4-5 of them make a magic essence. That is what is used for Talisman makers.

 


 

  Mikey_205

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9/30/08 4:43:36 PM#36

As for bugs the main one irritating me is when I use the Grip of Fear AoE root (read frost nova) the mob continues to look like its running at me.

 

Other problem is the antisocial attitude!

  Trollstar

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9/30/08 4:55:30 PM#37
Originally posted by budgetnudist

Why do all the classes have to be right handed? Does anyone care about left handed people out there?


 

Hey, I was thinking the same thing, whats up with that? 

Cut classes will come back one day, let's just hope they don't try to include them in a paid expansion, that would pretty much suck.

 

Who the hell are you, and why should I care?
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  Scalebane

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9/30/08 4:55:38 PM#38
Originally posted by ronan32
Originally posted by Scalebane
Originally posted by iceberg2ice

funny how they are discussing about extra content when the game is so full of bugs and imperfections... and the warhammeralliance forum does not even allow posting about them... they should be looking at fixing the rushed unfinished buggy release first before even thinking about adding more content...

 

Thats wonderful fan sites for you, thats why Mythic is using them to hide the problems, thats why they don't have their own forums, to hide from the problems, oh they go around looking at what people are saying (thats why whats his face in the interview probably seems kinda hurt from how people are judging the game so early)  but still i think they made things worse by having things spread out, then on their own forums, least some companies care enough about their playerbase that they give ya a home =P

I'll just say that the game is in beta..oh wait..i kid i kid but still that was an excuse for a long time and things that should have been fixed never did get fixed if they don't have people staying on after the first free month its because they don't wanna pay for beta testing which with all the issues its starting to feel that way.

I personaly will stay till my free month is up then cancel, i'll check back on the game when more problems are gone and the things that should have been released are in the game =)

 

Why should mythic pay people to lock  posts like yours everyday..all you would do is bitch on the forums anyway.

 

because not everyone bitches about things they have legit complaints i suggest you learn the difference.  But hey why should Mythic even make a game if they are gonna cry about people complaining. 

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  Scalebane

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9/30/08 4:58:44 PM#39
Originally posted by Narshe

I wish people would at least list the bugs they claim the game is riddled with. I have been playing since launch, and the only lingering bug I've had problems with besides the occasional Tome text problem is the ever annoying "target out of range" bug. Out of 700 quests, I only had a problem completing one--reported it, and received a message that it would be fixed in the next hotfix, and it was. Oh, and the occasional Altdorf crash. Other than that, absolutely no problems.

 

 

 

Because people have already listed them many times, on this site and Warhammer Alliance, how many times do they need to post problems? then we get War fanatics running in calling them trolls saying nothing is wrong, making excuses for Mythic, but hey i'm just imagining that i can play any other game out there with no issues, then when i fire up WAR i gotta mess with all kinds of setting to get it to play well.

"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas

  Marontann

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Joined: 7/09/05
Posts: 17

9/30/08 4:58:45 PM#40

there are alot of bugs, but not nearly as many as all the other mmos that hav come out the last 4-5 years. PQ's where the boss doesnt spawn, creatures that keep on standing and moving after its dead,  lagging, crashing out to windows without warning and stuff like that.

Nothing major really

What i do want to se in future updates is MORE CHOISES FOR THE PLAYERS!!!!! FFS if i want to have a 1h and a shield for my WP thats my bloody right, whose stupid idea was it to replace shield with a **** book!!

And why ??? cant you dye all armor and not just rewards? am i supposed to choose between ugly armor for the stats or godlooking armor for the looks?

Annoying as hell when the dev's are making all the choises for you, this is a mmorpg or did they miss that, immersion in to the game is important (for me at least).

Also (while im on the subjekt) Ironbreakers can only use axes (as far as i can determine, i might be wrong) why??, totaly idiotic, if im a crazy dwarf and want to bash some skulls, i use whats bloody handy. I havent seen these stupid restrictions on the dest side (but then i dont play dest) but i have seen chosen wielding swords, 2h swords, axes, 2h axas, shields, hmm lot more choises there, hell give them hammers to i say, there must be some destro out there who likes big hammers.

well other than that, the games fine, more than fine actually , damn fun really, but it could be soo much better if the dev's stopped trying to make all the decisions for the players

just my 2 cent, no im of to kill me some orcs

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