Originally posted by Unive

See I told you freaking people you fanbois that dropping WoW Would be like deleteing your wow account and starting over for no reason. Your playing a clone. It is so well known that these wow clones are going to be coming out for a long ass time and if you people keep being so naive to believe that this game or any game in the next 5-10 years is going to be any different than well you just smokeing crack. I know some of you people want to keep a positive attitude but I was telling people this from day 1 and I would get flamed endlessly. Happy I didn't waste my money than

Can't recall ever pitching boiling oil over a gang of Alliance who is trying to burst my front door open with a battering ram ...

WAR is a "WoW clone" ... at the first, short glance of a cross eyed drunk who has played WOW 5 days and WAR 5 minutes, perhaps.

Jesus and his many trousers. The ONE quest you tell of doesn't make up for the dozens of 'em where i have to run fricking places to kill 10 beasts or marauders of some kind and then run back with their intestines to get the reward and then another one follows to go even farther and then to proceed to the damn new map.

It's JUST like WoW and it got boring after 5 damn years, do you not see it?

Brilliant logic indeed: quests sucks, but they are here so I'm doing them anyway. Are you masochist or what?

What about a break from MMOs? Maybe you need it.

Originally posted by Unive

See I told you freaking people you fanbois that dropping WoW Would be like deleteing your wow account and starting over for no reason. Your playing a clone. It is so well known that these wow clones are going to be coming out for a long ass time and if you people keep being so naive to believe that this game or any game in the next 5-10 years is going to be any different than well you just smokeing crack. I know some of you people want to keep a positive attitude but I was telling people this from day 1 and I would get flamed endlessly. Happy I didn't waste my money than

No thanks, I won't go back to WoW's instanced item centric 4 BGs and arenas to grind out the next set on the same PvP content.  Way too boring. 

Keep taking and BOs in WAR are too much fun.  Leveling is PvP  is another thing that is awesome that you can do in WAR and not WOW.

WAR PVP >>> WOW PVP.

Originally posted by Unive

See I told you freaking people you fanbois that dropping WoW Would be like deleteing your wow account and starting over for no reason. Your playing a clone. It is so well known that these wow clones are going to be coming out for a long ass time and if you people keep being so naive to believe that this game or any game in the next 5-10 years is going to be any different than well you just smokeing crack. I know some of you people want to keep a positive attitude but I was telling people this from day 1 and I would get flamed endlessly. Happy I didn't waste my money than

HAHAHAHA and you can say this yet you have not tried it?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you cannot clone a clone WAR is not a WoW clone as WoW itself is a clone, keep dribbling your nonsense and paying your pocket money to Blizzard we wont hold that against you.

Originally posted by sa1yaman

Jesus and his many trousers. The ONE quest you tell of doesn't make up for the dozens of 'em where i have to run fricking places to kill 10 beasts or marauders of some kind and then run back with their intestines to get the reward and then another one follows to go even farther and then to proceed to the damn new map.

It's JUST like WoW and it got boring after 5 damn years, do you not see it?

Brilliant logic indeed: quests sucks, but they are here so I'm doing them anyway. Are you masochist or what?

What about a break from MMOs? Maybe you need it.

Are you serious? You really buy a game and then only play 50% of it?

Oh and no break needed... I already quit WAR just using up free time, besides, I haven't actually played mmos since 2005:)

Originally posted by sabutai22

So a few thing Mythic has lied about;

 

1. RvR / PvP is ruled by Level (over) Gear (over) skill. No matter how good a player(s) is/are they CAN NOT compete against a group that out level(s) them by any means.Obviously.. do you think it would be fair to be able to beat people 3-4 levels higher than you?  Try thinking for a minute about that.

So for Mythic having said 60% Skill and 40% Gear is incorrect and false, its more like 80% Level, 19% Gear and 1% Skill (And Skill is debatable since the game will auto turn you if someone tried to stay out of your LoS, not much skill in that!)Again, when we're all rank 40, let's see what happens.  I'm tired of casuals pissing and moaning about not being able to compete with hardcores at the outset.  Isn't it reasonable that if someone is playing 12 hours a day, rather than 2 hours a day.. they'll be higher in rank, have better gear, and be more experienced in RvR?

Gear also plays a huge role, Anyone that goes into Tier 2 Scenarios with their T1 Gear will not have enough DPS compared to those that are in Tier 2 (with the _LEVEL_ requirement) and their Tier 2 Weapons/Armor.  So. you go from saying gear has little to no role in determining who wins and loses.. to saying it has a HUGE role.  Think before typing.  Duh, if you are rank 11 with rank 11 gear and you are fighting rank 21's with rank 21 gear, what exactly do you think will happen?  There is no game out there that will let level 1's compete with max levels.

2. Empty Tier 3 Scenarios taking hours to que up, making anyone thats level 22 having to run PQ and Quests, this is a _HUGE_ boaring grind;  I've run quests from 22 to 24(current rank) and have noticed little grind.  PQ's actually give you a very good drop rate compared to regular mobs, you gain influence and earn rewards, which in turn, increased you guild rating.  Sure, there is a grind.  But, without any type of timesink, you're going to be sitting there at max level, with nothing to do.  People need to understand.. that in the age of MMO's, you actually have to do some work to get ahead.  Imagine that.

PQ - Kills X number of mobs for X number of times (Not Fun)

Quests - Goto location Z find item Y and then Kill X Number of mobs for X number of times (Not Fun)  Give Mythic some alternate suggestions.  I'm also tired of this as well.  Everyone complaining about the same old types of quests.  If you're so smart, give us your idea about how you're going to revolutionize this element of gameplay.  it's like.. OMG, my character has two arms and two legs!  That is so BORING, do something different!!

RvR (keep seige) - Vastly depends on server and sides, however this once again is ruled mainly by _ZERG_ size followed by number of higher _LEVEL_ players in said _ZERG_ and finally by the active guilds that cordinate said keep seiges.  WRONG.  I've been there and done this... I've helped 2-3 other people defend keeps against 12+ players.  Actually, I've noticed the complete opposite.  Our server is full on destruction.. but I rarely see large warbands running about.  I've had one battle of 30v30 and that's pretty much it.  Population caps in my opinion.. need to be raised a lot.  

 

I truely hope Mythic plans something or has something in store for everyone, as it stands now post _LEVEL_ 22 is boaring, slow and very repetative and starting an ALT is even worse since you have to do the entire _SAME_ path all over again! Its bad enough the _LEVEL_ curve is huge and slow!  There are three different pairings.  I've stuck to the empire pairing as a Warrior Priest about 90% of the time.  If I make another character and it's a different race, I will get a whole new set of quests and areas to explore through.  If I pick the same race.. then I can still go to another area.  Tell me exactly.. what other games give you a completely dynamic leveling process?  Oh wait, in WAR you can PvP to 40.  I guess not even that is enough for you.

 

This my friends.. is someone just bitching and moaning about not being giving everything on a silver platter.  In life, you have to work for everything that you get... why would a company that is interested in making money.. give you everything to start?  Some people need to sit back and think..

 

Originally posted by Getalife

Originally posted by Clada

Originally posted by Getalife

I agree with ISELIN. A game which is not even one month old and people already complaining about slow leveling. What's the rush anways? thats why i despise so called hardcore gamers. they ruin it for everyone else who doesnt spend 24 hours in front of PC.

 

Just like how I could not tell the combat was slow until in the first month right?

Slow leveling might not be fun for everyone.

When do you not agree with someone that says something postive about WAR?  When it's neagtive your all over them like they are speading the plague.

There is difference between being negative and lying. You people just try your level best but honestly you all lack facts. Just like your whining about *NO AOC STYLE COMBAT IN WAR*. Which is explained to you why it's so absurd to even consider something like that.

 

I have no problem with negative opinion, but i have big problem with stupidity.

And who are you to say who is stupid???

Where did I say "NO AOC STYLE COMBAT IN WAR" where? I would love to see it!
Maybe your to stupid to read that what I said was "The combat is weak and slow paced"

Do you know what a fact is?

I can surely think that Warhammer combat is slow, it does not need to be a fact! where is your fact that the not slow?  It's called a personal opinion not a fact.

I hope people actually look at your post history and see what you do on the AOC forums and here.  You say honesty, where are those AOC screens you said you were going to post last week? and why are you quoting things I never said?

Grow up and understand that not everyone is going to agree with what you say, and thats fine. 

Originally posted by Clada

Originally posted by Getalife

Originally posted by Clada

Originally posted by Getalife

I agree with ISELIN. A game which is not even one month old and people already complaining about slow leveling. What's the rush anways? thats why i despise so called hardcore gamers. they ruin it for everyone else who doesnt spend 24 hours in front of PC.

 

Just like how I could not tell the combat was slow until in the first month right?

Slow leveling might not be fun for everyone.

When do you not agree with someone that says something postive about WAR?  When it's neagtive your all over them like they are speading the plague.

There is difference between being negative and lying. You people just try your level best but honestly you all lack facts. Just like your whining about *NO AOC STYLE COMBAT IN WAR*. Which is explained to you why it's so absurd to even consider something like that.

 

I have no problem with negative opinion, but i have big problem with stupidity.

And who are you to say who is stupid???

Where did I say "NO AOC STYLE COMBAT IN WAR" where? I would love to see it!
Maybe your to stupid to read that what I said was "The combat is weak and slow paced"

Do you know what a fact is?

I can surely think that Warhammer combat is slow, it does not need to be a fact! where is your fact that the not slow?  It's called a personal opinion not a fact.

I hope people actually look at your post history and see what you do on the AOC forums and here.  You say honesty, where are those AOC screens you said you were going to post last week? and why are you quoting things I never said?

Grow up and understand that not everyone is going to agree with what you say, and thats fine. 

Why don't you post your own topic before i embarrass you? not here to service you so i will post screenshots when i like. But that's not the point. Your whole rant over  combat is weak ended up in comparison to AOC. Seriously, why you like to make youself look like an idiot? so either you post the link here yourself or i will do the favor to you and make you look like another AOC fanboy who just come here to troll WAR.

Yeah i hope people look at my post history and yours to see who is the real troll here. You failed miserably last time but you just don't give up do you? so post the link or i will do it for you.

Originally posted by Clada

Originally posted by Getalife

I agree with ISELIN. A game which is not even one month old and people already complaining about slow leveling. What's the rush anways? thats why i despise so called hardcore gamers. they ruin it for everyone else who doesnt spend 24 hours in front of PC.

 

Just like how I could not tell the combat was slow until in the first month right?

Slow leveling might not be fun for everyone.

When do you not agree with someone that says something postive about WAR?  When it's neagtive your all over them like they are speading the plague.

Well, saying combat is slow is very non-specific. I hope you do not mind answering a question to get better details for feedback.

When you say slow, do you mean the animations are slow, that the auto attack is slower than most games, the cooldown between special attacks seems slow, or that it takes 5-10 sec to kill an opponent instead of 1 or 2 shotting?

Thank you for your time.

sure, if you can consider 18 levels a "grind fest"

You guys are probably leveling wrong or something then. I finished leveling my second 40 character on the 29th and none of them have over 120 hours of total playtime, and I really don't think that this can be considered a lot. I also didn't grind levels, just leveled with a mix of quests, PQs and RvR.

Really, anyone that thinks ANY western MMO is a grind fest has probably never played a korean MMO...

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Originally posted by HensenLiros
You guys are probably leveling wrong or something then. I finished leveling my second 40 character on the 29th and none of them have over 120 hours of total playtime, and I really don't think that this can be considered a lot. I also didn't grind levels, just leveled with a mix of quests, PQs and RvR.

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Wow - just wow. You need to get a life :) 2 characters to 40 by the 29th. Thats 2 in 2 weeks (+ a few days more if you had head start) and not more than 120 hours total playtime on the toon. So 120 hours gaming in a week. Thats just crazy man :)

I have one toon at almost 15 and one at 12. Thats with 2 days head start, a job, kids, chores, eating, sleeping, traveling etc. I just cant imagine spending that much time in a game in such a short period. My gaming is < 100 hours a month.

Originally posted by _Shadowmage

 

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Originally posted by HensenLiros
You guys are probably leveling wrong or something then. I finished leveling my second 40 character on the 29th and none of them have over 120 hours of total playtime, and I really don't think that this can be considered a lot. I also didn't grind levels, just leveled with a mix of quests, PQs and RvR.

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Wow - just wow. You need to get a life :) 2 characters to 40 by the 29th. Thats 2 in 2 weeks (+ a few days more if you had head start) and not more than 120 hours total playtime on the toon. So 120 hours gaming in a week. Thats just crazy man :)

I have one toon at almost 15 and one at 12. Thats with 2 days head start, a job, kids, chores, eating, sleeping, traveling etc. I just cant imagine spending that much time in a game in such a short period. My gaming is < 100 hours a month.
 

Just doing basic math..

2 toons @120 hours

2 weeks playtime (14 days, that's including full CE headstart roughly)

120/14= roughly 17 hours of playtime a day?

Hmmm is about the extent of my comment on this.

Can you say "lives at home, in the basement with parents, with no job?"

L A U G H

Originally posted by Getalife

Originally posted by Clada

Originally posted by Getalife

Originally posted by Clada

Originally posted by Getalife

I agree with ISELIN. A game which is not even one month old and people already complaining about slow leveling. What's the rush anways? thats why i despise so called hardcore gamers. they ruin it for everyone else who doesnt spend 24 hours in front of PC.

 

Just like how I could not tell the combat was slow until in the first month right?

Slow leveling might not be fun for everyone.

When do you not agree with someone that says something postive about WAR?  When it's neagtive your all over them like they are speading the plague.

There is difference between being negative and lying. You people just try your level best but honestly you all lack facts. Just like your whining about *NO AOC STYLE COMBAT IN WAR*. Which is explained to you why it's so absurd to even consider something like that.

 

I have no problem with negative opinion, but i have big problem with stupidity.

And who are you to say who is stupid???

Where did I say "NO AOC STYLE COMBAT IN WAR" where? I would love to see it!
Maybe your to stupid to read that what I said was "The combat is weak and slow paced"

Do you know what a fact is?

I can surely think that Warhammer combat is slow, it does not need to be a fact! where is your fact that the not slow?  It's called a personal opinion not a fact.

I hope people actually look at your post history and see what you do on the AOC forums and here.  You say honesty, where are those AOC screens you said you were going to post last week? and why are you quoting things I never said?

Grow up and understand that not everyone is going to agree with what you say, and thats fine. 

 

Why don't you post your own topic before i embarrass you? not here to service you so i will post screenshots when i like. But that's not the point. Your whole rant over  combat is weak ended up in comparison to AOC. Seriously, why you like to make youself look like an idiot? so either you post the link here yourself or i will do the favor to you and make you look like another AOC fanboy who just come here to troll WAR.

 

Yeah i hope people look at my post history and yours to see who is the real troll here. You failed miserably last time but you just don't give up do you? so post the link or i will do it for you.

Uhhh ? http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/204469

Why dont you go pull out that quote? Or are you still trying to figure out what that is?

Dude your in a one way tunnel, with no way out. You keep shooting yourself in the foot. You use terms and dont know what they mean. Look at my post history to see how i have been a troll and then compare it to yours. EVERY thread you are in, either on the AOC forum or here you are either calling people idiots or being called one.

You constaly sidestep everything. Learn what a troll is, learn what the word quote means and learn that not everything you say is God's gamings word. You answerd nothing from my previous post other then calling me another stupid name, your 28 and still a joke.
 

Originally posted by trevornor

Originally posted by _Shadowmage

 

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Originally posted by HensenLiros
You guys are probably leveling wrong or something then. I finished leveling my second 40 character on the 29th and none of them have over 120 hours of total playtime, and I really don't think that this can be considered a lot. I also didn't grind levels, just leveled with a mix of quests, PQs and RvR.

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Wow - just wow. You need to get a life :) 2 characters to 40 by the 29th. Thats 2 in 2 weeks (+ a few days more if you had head start) and not more than 120 hours total playtime on the toon. So 120 hours gaming in a week. Thats just crazy man :)

I have one toon at almost 15 and one at 12. Thats with 2 days head start, a job, kids, chores, eating, sleeping, traveling etc. I just cant imagine spending that much time in a game in such a short period. My gaming is < 100 hours a month.
 

 

Just doing basic math..

2 toons @120 hours I don't remind saying that they both have 120 hours of playtime. I said "none of them have over 120 hours". You can read it again if you want.

2 weeks playtime (14 days, that's including full CE headstart roughly) 16 days including CE heardstart. Learn math.

120/14= roughly 17 hours of playtime a day? 120/14 is 8.5, buddy. Even so, the information is wrong. 2x100 / 16 would be more accurate, which is 12 hours and 30 minutes per day. Plus I'm off work (nuclear power plant safety analysis, 2 months working 1 month off). And I'm writing my own guides for my website.

Hmmm is about the extent of my comment on this I earn more than you do by working less is about the extent of my comment on this.

EDIT: I'm sick of people saying shit like that. Someone plays 80 hours in a week and that means they have no girlfriend, job nor own house! Have you people ever heard of hyposomnia? Monthly shifts? Even if I were fucking unemployed, what the heck. I sleep around 3 hours per day and had absolutely no work during this month, which means I had 630 free hours during this month. 21 full free hours per day. And you want me to fucking swim at the beach or date my girlfriend at 3 AM? 3 sleep hours means I have 6 free hours between 23:00 and 08:00. And playing 6 hours between 08:00 and 23:00 is really that absurd? That's usualy the time people are awake, and unlike them I don't have a work shift there. Believe me, you have way less of a life than me. Your days last like what, 14 hours? My days last 21. That means I "live" 50% more than you, smartface. And guess what? I also have to work only during 2 months every 3! Which is more 240 hours I live more than you every 3 months (2.6 hours per day!). How do you feel about that? I was able to go on with two colleges at the same time (nuclear engineering + philosophy) while people lack time to even keep on one. As for that other poster above, I moved out of my parent's house 10 years ago, buddy.

 Grindfest? Not so much. At least not any more than other MMOs such as WoW and LOtrO. Personally I've leveled through a combination of PvE, instanced and open RvR, and I haven't even needed to leave the Empire vs Chaos battle front yet (in tier 3 at the moment).

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by sabutai22

So a few thing Mythic has lied about;

 

1. RvR / PvP is ruled by Level (over) Gear (over) skill. No matter how good a player(s) is/are they CAN NOT compete against a group that out level(s) them by any means.Obviously.. do you think it would be fair to be able to beat people 3-4 levels higher than you?  Try thinking for a minute about that.

And why wouldn't it be fair? What makes it so unfair that someone could consistently beat another player with a character 3-4 levels higher than his own? Why don't you try thinking? How are you that narrow minded and stupid?

So for Mythic having said 60% Skill and 40% Gear is incorrect and false, its more like 80% Level, 19% Gear and 1% Skill (And Skill is debatable since the game will auto turn you if someone tried to stay out of your LoS, not much skill in that!)Again, when we're all rank 40, let's see what happens.  I'm tired of casuals pissing and moaning about not being able to compete with hardcores at the outset.  Isn't it reasonable that if someone is playing 12 hours a day, rather than 2 hours a day.. they'll be higher in rank, have better gear, and be more experienced in RvR?

That's cute, you mention, "experienced in RvR" yet your entire argument revolves around levels and gear giving an absolute advantage. What's the point of RvR/PvP experience when, in your armchair designer opinion, levels and gear should be an absolute determining factor in every battle? Oh man, you look really stupid now.

The best part is that you basically admit to being content with the idea that PvP doesn't need to be skill oriented until max and then, just 2 responses down you'll admit that you won't have anything to do once you hit max. Amazing.

Gear also plays a huge role, Anyone that goes into Tier 2 Scenarios with their T1 Gear will not have enough DPS compared to those that are in Tier 2 (with the _LEVEL_ requirement) and their Tier 2 Weapons/Armor.  So. you go from saying gear has little to no role in determining who wins and loses.. to saying it has a HUGE role.  Think before typing.  Duh, if you are rank 11 with rank 11 gear and you are fighting rank 21's with rank 21 gear, what exactly do you think will happen?  There is no game out there that will let level 1's compete with max levels.

That's interesting, 19% somehow = "little to no role" to you. That's some weird logic. Were you valedictorian at a remedial school? Oh and, since you're completely ignorant, there have been games to allow much lesser developed characters to compete with more developed characters: Asheron's Call, Ultima Online and EVE. There's probably more, I just can't think of any others off the top of my head. Man, that really blows away any credibility you had left.

2. Empty Tier 3 Scenarios taking hours to que up, making anyone thats level 22 having to run PQ and Quests, this is a _HUGE_ boaring grind;  I've run quests from 22 to 24(current rank) and have noticed little grind.  PQ's actually give you a very good drop rate compared to regular mobs, you gain influence and earn rewards, which in turn, increased you guild rating.  Sure, there is a grind.  But, without any type of timesink, you're going to be sitting there at max level, with nothing to do.  People need to understand.. that in the age of MMO's, you actually have to do some work to get ahead.  Imagine that.

ROFL. You noticed little grind? Let me summarize WAR for you:

You can GRIND PQ's, you can GRIND Scenarios, you can GRIND quests, you can GRIND for kill collectors or you can do RvR.

The only way you could possibly play this game without feeling the grind is by only participating in RvR. You're not fooling anyone but yourself with this bullshit.

PQ - Kills X number of mobs for X number of times (Not Fun)

Quests - Goto location Z find item Y and then Kill X Number of mobs for X number of times (Not Fun)  Give Mythic some alternate suggestions.  I'm also tired of this as well.  Everyone complaining about the same old types of quests.  If you're so smart, give us your idea about how you're going to revolutionize this element of gameplay.  it's like.. OMG, my character has two arms and two legs!  That is so BORING, do something different!!

He's complaining. Why does he have to provide solutions to the problems he lists? Why should he do somebody else's job? Because you say so? HAH. We all know that if he did, you wouldn't even bother reading his wall of text.

RvR (keep seige) - Vastly depends on server and sides, however this once again is ruled mainly by _ZERG_ size followed by number of higher _LEVEL_ players in said _ZERG_ and finally by the active guilds that cordinate said keep seiges.  WRONG.  I've been there and done this... I've helped 2-3 other people defend keeps against 12+ players.  Actually, I've noticed the complete opposite.  Our server is full on destruction.. but I rarely see large warbands running about.  I've had one battle of 30v30 and that's pretty much it.  Population caps in my opinion.. need to be raised a lot.  

 It's always silly when someone says something like "30v30." Did you sit and count heads or did they do that for you? Why should I believe anything you said when you clearly lied about that? In fact, it was probably 10 of you dumbasses, all 5 levels higher than the group you were fighting that most likely consisted of 8 people. You're the kind of person that lies his ass off, so I wouldn't be surprised.

I truely hope Mythic plans something or has something in store for everyone, as it stands now post _LEVEL_ 22 is boaring, slow and very repetative and starting an ALT is even worse since you have to do the entire _SAME_ path all over again! Its bad enough the _LEVEL_ curve is huge and slow!  There are three different pairings.  I've stuck to the empire pairing as a Warrior Priest about 90% of the time.  If I make another character and it's a different race, I will get a whole new set of quests and areas to explore through.  If I pick the same race.. then I can still go to another area.  Tell me exactly.. what other games give you a completely dynamic leveling process?  Oh wait, in WAR you can PvP to 40.  I guess not even that is enough for you.

 First off, no, because the only way to minimize the grind in this game is to go to other races' zones and do shit there. So you probably won't experience an entirely different experience unless, like you, you sat through the huge grind the first time around.

Tell me, how is leveling to max through PvP dynamic in WAR? You're not going to get anywhere anytime soon doing world RvR for all your ranks, so you're going to resort to the same handful of scenarios where you fight the same handful of classes with the same bullshit rewards.. That's a grind, chief.

There have been plenty of MMOs with great character progression but, you obviously don't know jack shit about MMOs so I guess you wouldn't understand.

This my friends.. is someone just bitching and moaning about not being giving everything on a silver platter.  In life, you have to work for everything that you get... why would a company that is interested in making money.. give you everything to start?  Some people need to sit back and think..

You entirely missed the point of his post. Mythic said things would be a certain way, and he is saying they did not meet up to that promise. He doesn't want to be given "everything on a silver platter." He wants what he was told he was going to get. Just because you enjoy the game so much (somehow) doesn't invalidate anything he said. I don't know why I even bothered responding though, considering you're too much of a moron to even realize the gravity of what was just handed to you (besides your own ass).

 

ya getting real sick of the 20's. Dreading the 30's/