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9/27/08 8:33:35 AM#41
Originally posted by Rytif
HAHA... said the guy who plays EVE.. the spreadsheet MMO. Yeah, because you know good combat in a MMO when it hits you upside the glasses.
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit . Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities. WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system . ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
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9/27/08 8:36:15 AM#42
Originally posted by Borkotron Actually that's the problem, we getting the same stuff all the time. AoC did have a great combat system but some whiners of the early beta changed it to the hybrid we see today so it would feel more like a regular MMO. We should relly have an MMO where the combat system is closer to Oblivion. But there is at least a game with a new and intresting combat system that releases soon, Spellborn :D And I'm not complaining about just WAR, but all MMOs... When I started Meridian 59 we had almost the same system we have today and while it works it is a shame that all frigging MMOs use it or at least almost all. There is so many more possibilities. |
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9/27/08 8:38:57 AM#43
Originally posted by Loke666 Actually that's the problem, we getting the same stuff all the time. AoC did have a great combat system but some whiners of the early beta changed it to the hybrid we see today so it would feel more like a regular MMO. We should relly have an MMO where the combat system is closer to Oblivion. But there is at least a game with a new and intresting combat system that releases soon, Spellborn :D And I'm not complaining about just WAR, but all MMOs... When I started Meridian 59 we had almost the same system we have today and while it works it is a shame that all frigging MMOs use it or at least almost all. There is so many more possibilities.
if you want a game with combat system like oblivion ... there are 3 real good ones imo coming out one you mentioned is the chronicles of spellborn(27-11-2008) other is mortal online (summer 2009) and last and my personal favorite DARKFALL (end 2008) |
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Sixfeetunder
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Joined: 2/19/07
----------------------Game: EQ 1&2 - SWG - WoW - DnL - DDO - Vanguard - AoC - WAR -Aion - Rift |
9/27/08 8:46:49 AM#44
Originally posted by Wildbeard
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit . Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities. WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system . ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
exactly...this for that don'tlike wow and war system combat... i like DDO and AoC system
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9/27/08 9:10:18 AM#45
Originally posted by Sixfeetunder
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit . Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities. WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system . ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
exactly...this for that don'tlike wow and war system combat... i like DDO and AoC system
It funny how you say whole game sucks on basis of combat when there are other million things to enjoy about the RVR system. On the other hand once you get over the excitement that combat gives you in AOC what else are you left with? AOC is a shallow game. more like a piece of turd, sprayed with perfume and packed in nice pink box with a pink ribbon on the top. All fluff and no real content.
yesterday i took part in Tier 2 RVR, close to 200 players were fighting eachother. Order side holed Destruction in there warcamp and they couldn't even step out. They were beaten on there own turf. It lasted for several hours. The most amazing PVP i ever had. I have played AOC and never had such a fantastic gameplay. But whiners will always complain. Crying about graphics and button mashing when AOC combat system is also the same button smashing with added few perks, is all they can come up with. But all your arguments are weak considering War's gameplay is 100 times better than AOC. if you got something else bring it on. i will shut you up nicely with some more REAL facts.
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9/27/08 9:16:41 AM#46
I agree that its the typical boring combat system similar to WoW/Vanguard/EQII etc. When soloing anyway. In groups you'll see soon enough that the classes complement each other very well. RvR in this game (in the open areas, not scenarios) is a blast! Open group system ftw! I never experienced so much spontaneous castle sieges and warcamp defending before in a MMO. The scenarios however show the usual WoW like uncoordinated battlegrounds crap. Those are only fun when I go with guildies. |
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9/27/08 9:26:33 AM#47
Originally posted by Wildbeard
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit . Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities. WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system . ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
I agree with the essence of how you described combat in WAR, and I have no direct experience with AoC, so my input on that point is of limited value. However, the main point that has failed to be made here is that some people prefer "traditional" MMORPG style combat, and some people prefer "video game console" style combat. There is no implicit truth that one style of combat is inherently better or worse than another. There is only a matter of personal preference as to which style you enjoy using. Personally, I admittedly suck at playing console video games. Why I play PC games in the first place is so I'm not a 41 year old guy competing with the reflexes of a 14 year old kid. There is no faster "twitch" pattern memorization (ABAAABX for the win!) skill in WAR, and for that I'm glad. WAR actually requires some application of tatical awareness and strategic thinking, and that gives me an advantage over a typical "twitch" minded short attention span 14 year old. I have no problem with WoW or AoC. They serve a useful purpose in keeping WAR clear of players who would likely try to ruin the game with their whining and complaining. Everyone playing WAR should be happy these products are on the market and doing well. In return, everyone playing AoC and WoW should appreciate that WAR is here to keep us from ruining your MMORPG experience by whining and complaining about your game. To the OP: you need to learn the difference between objective and subjective. I suggest starting with a dictionary. Judgements like: better, best, good, bad, crap, great, etc. are all subjective evaluations and can not be proven as fact. Your opinions on what is better is only meaningful to you, and just maybe to the persons who already agree with you. You are changing no ones mind on the matter. To the rest of us, your opinion on the matter is effectively worthless because we have a different opinion, and our own personal subjective reasons why we do. I hope this helps. |
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trevornor
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Joined: 6/07/07
No, Imperial commander, Nair does not come in wookie size. We do have an ewok 6 pack though |
9/27/08 9:31:10 AM#48
ok, here's my take on the combat system credentials:WOW 70 shaman and a horde of alts, WAR 13 WH and a slew of lower alts (1-5) to check out mechanisms. AOC, no first hand (so any false assumptions I make, I will be open to criticism) Now, I personally think WAR takes combat an additional step beyond WOW, but it does not involve button mashing, but how you, the player, prepare and play the character. You start realizing how many decisions you have to make when you hit level 11. By then you have all the choices starting to hit you, like Renown, Mastery, Morale and Tactics. Renown lets you increase your stats, get new tactics to start with. Mastery is similar to Talents in WOW, but with a twist, every point you put in your "branch" scales up the skills attached to it as well as open new abilities over the long run. Morale is a skill that you can use depending on how long you remain (and survive) in combat. If you live long enough, it gives you yet another ability you can use (to great effect the longer you last) Tactics is a specific buff that enhances you, and you get three types of them. Career, Renown and Tome (yes, the Tome does give you extra abilities in the long term) So this comes back to what I started to say. Your decisions on combat start a lot earlier than seeing your opponent. YOu have MANY more decisions to make before the first spell or swing of your weapon. When I get back from work (in 10 hours) I can go into more detail if you would like on how exactly how each type effects you. Until then, my only advice is get to level 11 and see what the game has to offer. Have a good day one and all. |
Originally posted by SignusM
That was very much do to a complaint about Mythic's last game, Dark Age of Camelot. Combat was too fast, you could die within 3 seconds and you had no chance to even attempt to save yourself. God how many times I got stunned and nuked to death as a tank before I could blink was more than enough to make me quit. This was a good decision.
Besides, AoC 3 directional combat fails hardcore. Call me back when they put back in the 8 directional combat they had in beta that all the WoW kiddies cried was too complicated.
MMO's go way past, AOC and WOW my friend. Many others to choose, take a look. ------------------------------ PC STATS: |
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Originally posted by Getalife
SO what are you trying to say that AOC is amazing? because many will laugh at you. Its no secret how much AOC is a pile of garbage.
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Originally posted by severius
Except, of course, that you are avoiding the fact that you are trying to make yourself sound like some sort of an authority. It is your opinion that the combat is lacking, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Of course the evidence that you put forth as your experience with war, playing a runepriest, is severely lacking and therefore causes the validity of your statement to fail utterly and completely. Been past level 5 yet, how about past 20? Tried all the classes in the game which, in turn, would give you a good feel of how the combat in war is, in general, rather than in a very limited test case? Of course you may very well come back with some nonsensical response how you ahve tested ever character through every tier etc etc etc, but the fact of the matter is, if you had, you would have used something of quite a bit more substance than I played a runepriest and combat was slow.
Yes you know you are exactly right! when someone reviews an MMO they need to play every class all the way up to at least 40 to come to the conclustion that the combat mechanics are slow paced. Let me guess I need to have five maxed out chrs to think that the graphics are unerpar and that the music is average? You' saying I need to beat a game like Halo 3 just to say I don't like the aiming in the game ? Please I can tell from 1hr in if the aiming is going to be an issue or not. ------------------------------ PC STATS: |
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Originally posted by Getalife
exactly...this for that don'tlike wow and war system combat... i like DDO and AoC system
It funny how you say whole game sucks on basis of combat when there are other million things to enjoy about the RVR system. On the other hand once you get over the excitement that combat gives you in AOC what else are you left with? AOC is a shallow game. more like a piece of turd, sprayed with perfume and packed in nice pink box with a pink ribbon on the top. All fluff and no real content.
yesterday i took part in Tier 2 RVR, close to 200 players were fighting eachother. Order side holed Destruction in there warcamp and they couldn't even step out. They were beaten on there own turf. It lasted for several hours. The most amazing PVP i ever had. I have played AOC and never had such a fantastic gameplay. But whiners will always complain. Crying about graphics and button mashing when AOC combat system is also the same button smashing with added few perks, is all they can come up with. But all your arguments are weak considering War's gameplay is 100 times better than AOC. if you got something else bring it on. i will shut you up nicely with some more REAL facts.
I am waiting.
LOL and where are your arguments?? Oh wait is this it? calling AOC a piece of Turd? I'm waiting for you to grow up before I respond to that silly post which is filled with no "REAL" facts. ------------------------------ PC STATS: |
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9/27/08 12:25:52 PM#53
Originally posted by Clada
exactly...this for that don'tlike wow and war system combat... i like DDO and AoC system
It funny how you say whole game sucks on basis of combat when there are other million things to enjoy about the RVR system. On the other hand once you get over the excitement that combat gives you in AOC what else are you left with? AOC is a shallow game. more like a piece of turd, sprayed with perfume and packed in nice pink box with a pink ribbon on the top. All fluff and no real content.
yesterday i took part in Tier 2 RVR, close to 200 players were fighting eachother. Order side holed Destruction in there warcamp and they couldn't even step out. They were beaten on there own turf. It lasted for several hours. The most amazing PVP i ever had. I have played AOC and never had such a fantastic gameplay. But whiners will always complain. Crying about graphics and button mashing when AOC combat system is also the same button smashing with added few perks, is all they can come up with. But all your arguments are weak considering War's gameplay is 100 times better than AOC. if you got something else bring it on. i will shut you up nicely with some more REAL facts.
I am waiting.
LOL and where are your arguments?? Oh wait is this it? calling AOC a piece of Turd? I'm waiting for you to grow up before I respond to that silly post which is filled with no "REAL" facts.
Nah i meant bring on some more absurd comparisons and i will answer you with facts. Hence still waiting. Truth is you got nothing to prove except crying for graphics and combat system. You want me to give facts? how about you bring some solid reasons to diss WAR and glorify your beloved aoc, we will talk facts then.
before you accuse anyone for being childish. look at your posts. All you do is whine and throw fit like some spoiled brat. I still have to see one good reasoning from you. the fact that you brought up AOC to ridicule WAR shows you have no idea how different these two games really are. So once again either be quiet or bring some real arguments on table. Because i have active sub for both AOC and WAR so i can call bullshit on all your points.
Still waiting though.
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9/27/08 12:31:06 PM#54
I dunno, I find it better than AOC. AOC combo system was pure button mashing, making me hit 5 buttons just to do a special move and making it take roughly 5 seconds to do one? That was just a silly system. Sure you hit buttons faster than in WAR but you made decisions a lot less often. The AOC combat animations were better and the sounds were a ton better but the rest of the game was just bland and boring and the PvP systems cannot compare, WAR is so much better. |
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9/27/08 12:32:29 PM#55
I really liked the directional hits in AoC but I honestly find Warhammer much more fun. Casual cross-game mmorpg guild. Minimum age requirement of 25. Gunbad.com |
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Originally posted by Getalife
It funny how you say whole game sucks on basis of combat when there are other million things to enjoy about the RVR system. On the other hand once you get over the excitement that combat gives you in AOC what else are you left with? AOC is a shallow game. more like a piece of turd, sprayed with perfume and packed in nice pink box with a pink ribbon on the top. All fluff and no real content.
yesterday i took part in Tier 2 RVR, close to 200 players were fighting eachother. Order side holed Destruction in there warcamp and they couldn't even step out. They were beaten on there own turf. It lasted for several hours. The most amazing PVP i ever had. I have played AOC and never had such a fantastic gameplay. But whiners will always complain. Crying about graphics and button mashing when AOC combat system is also the same button smashing with added few perks, is all they can come up with. But all your arguments are weak considering War's gameplay is 100 times better than AOC. if you got something else bring it on. i will shut you up nicely with some more REAL facts.
I am waiting.
LOL and where are your arguments?? Oh wait is this it? calling AOC a piece of Turd? I'm waiting for you to grow up before I respond to that silly post which is filled with no "REAL" facts.
Nah i meant bring on some more absurd comparisons and i will answer you with facts. Hence still waiting. Truth is you got nothing to prove except crying for graphics and combat system. You want me to give facts? how about you bring some solid reasons to diss WAR and glorify your beloved aoc, we will talk facts then.
before you accuse anyone for being childish. look at your posts. All you do is whine and throw fit like some spoiled brat. I still have to see one good reasoning from you. the fact that you brought up AOC to ridicule WAR shows you have no idea how different these two games really are. So once again either be quiet or bring some real arguments on table. Because i have active sub for both AOC and WAR so i can call bullshit on all your points.
Still waiting though.
Are you kidding me? Look at your friggen post! Where in my post did i ever say I LOVED AOC? Where? or are you to much of a fanboy to see that? How am I childish when your post is full of imature remarks. Check out my signature link, as proof that I have purchased both and play both, heck I can even post sreens of me playing WAR. It's funny, what makes a game? apparently i'm complaing about graphics and a combat system which to you is what? not important for a game where 99% of what you do is combat? Please let me know how these two games are "SO" different, I would love to know! Your to much of a fanboy to have a resonable conservation with. ------------------------------ PC STATS: |
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9/27/08 1:36:01 PM#57
nah you are the one who is kidding yourself. First of all my reply was to the guy called sixfeetunder. i was replying to his one line troll post. But since you can not read the quotes i think you should read it again properly. Or maybe you couldn't take it that i said something bad about AOC? you are not an AOC fanboy? still you got all jumpy when i wasn't even talkign to you. Why make absurd comparison between WAR and AOC? and yes they are two very different games. Why not judge the game on its own merits? without any stupid comparisons? but if you were that smart , you wouldn't have made this topic in first place.
And yes i am sorry but graphics and combat ONLY doesn't make a game. Its how you use them to your game style. AOC combat might be superior because of different body parts you can hit or the combos but to say WAR has worst combat system is really stupid. Go participate in some TIER 2 or TIER3 keep battles. then come back and bitch and moan about how much it sucks. Combat in WAR is more group oriented/ Not like AOC where you run around in instances soloing most of the time. Problem is you judge the whole game based on combat when you don't even know its real purpose. So i suggest you continue enjoying AOC and its combat system, since cool combat moves is what makes a great MMO.
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nakuma
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Joined: 5/04/06
"then again I could be wrong, but that's just my opinion" -Dennis Miller |
9/27/08 1:38:39 PM#58
Originally posted by Wildbeard
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit . Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities. WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system . ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
i agree with most of this and mainly AOC combat system as it requires positional hits to get the best dmg meaning if you hit a person with a shield up theyll take dmg but not as much dmg if u are able to stun/CC them and move around to their back and hit them behind them there is no protection so therefore you land a high combo the dmg will be stronger than normal due to the lack of natural mitigation. i agree with alot of people AOC was mismanaged but the combat is definitely fun and engaging. and yes it does require actual tactics based on position and use of combos in a specific manner cause a specific class will respond to a different tactic than a different class. I think that is the biggest difference in all three 3, WoW, and Warhammer go for the traditional set of spells and fighting mechanics, AOC went for what i consider is a more innovative "experimental" fiughting system which gives it a very unique feel and look to it. I love the combat system in AOC and its very hard to go back to others when your used to actively initiating combos. i didnt like warhamemer due to several reasons, but found out it wasnt my thing, but figure people are going to play what they enjoy. Ill do the same. with warhammer best thing to do, is to do the trial if ur on the fence. 3.4ghz Phenom II X4 965, 8GB PC12800 DDR3 GSKILL, EVGA 285 GTX 1GB, 640GB HD SATA II, BFG 1000WATT PSU. MSI NF980-G65 TRI-SLI MOBO. |
Originally posted by Getalife
LOL yeah man exactly! combat means nothing in an MMO where all you do is uhhh combat! FIghting does not matter in fighting games either right? ------------------------------ PC STATS: |
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9/27/08 1:48:03 PM#60
I tried WAR and I will probably go playing WAR again at some later point (And I guess WOW will loose my sub then). The reason for me leaving was not related to combat system. I think the combat system holds the same standard in WOW in fact. So unless you (OP) expected WAR to magically be different somehow, you should not be that disappointed. Another thing, why is it that all discussion threads about WAR somehow end up to also discuss AoC. Come on, the games could possibly not been more different. |
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