A game that replaces a FULL 3D world you can fly over ...with pure and utterly crappy cut scenes of you being tied to a helicopter is a tribute to the downfall this gaming industry is now known for.

It takes at least 12 months to develop a full 3D world you can fly over, land everywhere you want and adventure in..

It takes 2 days to make a loading cut screen like in WAR.

Yes indeed THAT is about the difference between the vast superior quality some offer compared to the work of amateurs trying to do the “same thing”.

And do NOT enter in this discussion War fan boys, because in about EVERY other aspect of WAR this HUGE ugly gap is showing.
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From complete lacking intelligence in the Mob paths to extreme lacking control functions in PvP combat (yes CC DOES need MORE programming efforts), to complete absence of different (so more costly to develop) class resources (like mana).

This game is a laugh as an MMORPG – a WORLD you live in -

Everything is window dressing in this game. The high mountains are a cheap 2D camouflage to lure you into utterly crap of ‘tunnel vision” progress. A fixed road to just more of the same: bashing some heads of others, stupid enough to play.

Scenarios are a laugh. Some are being played on a post stamp.


The game’s ugliness is a new milestone of that famous new legendary one-liner :
“How to take the money and run with the LEAST effort possible.

Grtz to the intelligence of all people who don’t even notice the most obvious.

This WAR is about the deepest fall in the development of MMO Role Playing Games you can have.


It’s tasteless, boring and has an incredibly bad design (just look at the server caps which will strangle its own populations in two months time), but mostly it is CHEAP in execution.

 I wouldn’t even play it if it were offered free. Still a few days left on my cancelled CE tx to GOA, but I can't even log in anymore. I am too spoiled with the approach of real hi quality and polished games.

And I hope for the sake of the industry the annalists ARE right: - 250 K after three months - because that would even be too much honour.
 

"Facts are that all the above can be SEEN by anyone playing the game. No use denying."

Seems more like ranting and personal opinions...

I really love the instant travel in WAR. One of the things I really hated in WoW was having to sit there staring at my character doing absolutely nothing for 10 minutes while traveling somewhere. WAR's method lets the players focus on playing the game, rather than waiting for the game to let you play.

So far no one disputes the OP's claims with facts. He wins the argument.

If the OP is a wow fanboy: Yes, Warhammer is cheap, like fast food, but so is wow ;)

Originally posted by RedwoodSap

So far no one disputes the OP's claims with facts. He wins the argument.

Well, maybe if he had some "facts" in his post i would answer with more "facts". The only argument he has is about fast, or whateva, travelling... i mean come on...the guy isnt even trying.

Originally posted by RedwoodSap

So far no one disputes the OP's claims with facts. He wins the argument.

Facts?  He didn't post facts, only personal opinion, so there is nothing to argue; only ignore.

Originally posted by bodypass

From complete lacking intelligence in the Mob paths to extreme lacking control functions in PvP combat (yes CC DOES need MORE programming efforts), to complete absence of different (so more costly to develop) class resources (like mana).

 

The OP  completely ignore that there ARE different class resources in ADDITION to action points. Like righteous fury for the Warrior priest or Waagh for the shaman and so on, so I guess he fails on that point.

As for CC, considering the devs had a fully working CC system in DAoC, I really doubt their choice of not having as much here is related at all with lazyness.

I could talk about the rest of the post, but I feel this small snippet sum the rest up very well (should be obvious why there are cutscenes for example instead of full flying paths, not the whole world is present in the game right now and some of those flight would take FOREVER to do, also WoW does not show you the whole boat trip from the continents, oh noes! what a rip off! it took me just 5 minutes instead of 5 hours!).

Silly boy, you mistakenly posted this in the War forum instead of the AoC forum .

Why is it on the interwebs that people think that other people care what they think? Its like they believe that because they say its so it is. Look mate (OP) no one cares what you think, really they dont. This is the internet and woe be it for me to infringe on your freedom of speech but NO ONE cares that you dont like the game. There will be some that say by replying to the thread that I am contradicting myself and that by replying I am proving that I do care. Not so. My opinion has as much value as the OP's, i.e. none. The OP wont care what I say and will find no value in it ......... see where im going with this? Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one but that dont mean that your opinion has value to anyone else. My advise would be, take a deep breath, turn off the PC go outside and reflect on the way your life is going because if you put this much importance on a game ..... yes a game, with what is happening in the world then you need help, really.

I wont respond to any flames to this post because I have better things to do like take the dog for a walk and stuff.

Thankyou.

Originally posted by Janus35

Why is it on the interwebs that people think that other people care what they think? Its like they believe that because they say its so it is. Look mate (OP) no one cares what you think, really they dont. This is the internet and woe be it for me to infringe on your freedom of speech but NO ONE cares that you dont like the game. There will be some that say by replying to the thread that I am contradicting myself and that by replying I am proving that I do care. Not so. My opinion has as much value as the OP's, i.e. none. The OP wont care what I say and will find no value in it ......... see where im going with this? Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one but that dont mean that your opinion has value to anyone else. My advise would be, take a deep breath, turn off the PC go outside and reflect on the way your life is going because if you put this much importance on a game ..... yes a game, with what is happening in the world then you need help, really.

I wont respond to any flames to this post because I have better things to do like take the dog for a walk and stuff.

Thankyou.

wow, you are sooo mature and wise and cool. You come to a forum to tell us that forums are worthless?

Thanks fella!

The fact that you spend your time reading and responding to something you clearly state means less then nothing to you speaks volumes about who you are.

The rest of us will carry on talking passionatly about the hobby we love, just as others into soccer, fishing, whatever do through out society around the world.

And yes, the opinions of other do mean something to me. I am sorry they do not to you.

Originally posted by bodypass

A game that replaces a FULL 3D world you can fly over ...with pure and utterly crappy cut scenes of you being tied to a helicopter is a tribute to the downfall this gaming industry is now known for.

It takes at least 12 months to develop a full 3D world you can fly over, land everywhere you want and adventure in..

It takes 2 days to make a loading cut screen like in WAR.

Yes indeed THAT is about the difference between the vast superior quality some offer compared to the work of amateurs trying to do the “same thing”.

And do NOT enter in this discussion War fan boys, because in about EVERY other aspect of WAR this HUGE ugly gap is showing.
--------------------------------

From complete lacking intelligence in the Mob paths to extreme lacking control functions in PvP combat (yes CC DOES need MORE programming efforts), to complete absence of different (so more costly to develop) class resources (like mana).

This game is a laugh as an MMORPG – a WORLD you live in -

Everything is window dressing in this game. The high mountains are a cheap 2D camouflage to lure you into utterly crap of ‘tunnel vision” progress. A fixed road to just more of the same: bashing some heads of others, stupid enough to play.

Scenarios are a laugh. Some are being played on a post stamp.


The game’s ugliness is a new milestone of that famous new legendary one-liner :
“How to take the money and run with the LEAST effort possible.

Grtz to the intelligence of all people who don’t even notice the most obvious.

This WAR is about the deepest fall in the development of MMO Role Playing Games you can have.


It’s tasteless, boring and has an incredibly bad design (just look at the server caps which will strangle its own populations in two months time), but mostly it is CHEAP in execution.

 I wouldn’t even play it if it were offered free. Still a few days left on my cancelled CE tx to GOA, but I can't even log in anymore. I am too spoiled with the approach of real hi quality and polished games.

And I hope for the sake of the industry the annalists ARE right: - 250 K after three months - because that would even be too much honour.
 

so what if its cheap way to get money ? Its fun, thats all that matters when u play games! WoW made TBC in a cheap way to get more players, everyone can get imba stuff with less efford etc. TBC was made for small kids, and blizz admit it to =) There is a post somewhere here from a blizzard gamedirector, that tell us that tbc is made easy to get more ppl playing the game, more ppl = more money!

 Ahh yet ANOTHER troll post from WAR's most dedicated troll;

So why does it stutter when 20 people fight at once?

Even the fanboys are noticing it. And certainly Mythic knows it too, because they still have the very low population caps on the servers.

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There HAS to be a reason why they keep the server populations so low ----- > lag and badly written code.

AoC had instances to keep the game running client side. War has servers with 1/3 the population of other MMORPG and everyone still sees the lag.

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Ok enough with the trivial things: Let's do the BIG things/

1. How about real FLYING units instead of a pathetic loading screen with you being tied up to a very bad version of a chirocopter.

A real 3D open world you can fly over instead of bumping into cartonish walls of fake mountains, always covering 30 to 60% of the maps.

Oh BTW Warhammer TT has very much a huge amount of flying mounts.

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On the WAR forums there are guys even stating it is the "next generation of MMO's".

While taking a "flight path" in WAR: you look at a 2D/3D animated loading screen. How far must standards fall before anyone stands up there and says "Hello?, knock knock, anyone home up there"?

Only silence can honor it. And I'll bump it up if necessary.

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So because I like playing Wow more than WAR (which I also play) I am a troll ?

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ok bodypass, we get the picture, you do not like WAR and you think WOW is the second coming of Christ. Why must you tell us all over again, and again?

Why do cut scenese instead of watching, for the billionth time, as your character flies from A to B  signal the MMORPG industry is going to implode?. Yeh it's a nice touch the first few times but becomes nothing more than AFK time after that.

"extreme lacking control functions in PvP combat" ? You mean no stun-locking clothies? 

"Scenarios are a laugh. Some are being played on a post stamp." Yeh, because each scenario really does need a map the size of AV!

the rest is utter bile, dribbling from your jabbering mouth.

Originally posted by bodypass

A game that replaces a FULL 3D world you can fly over ...with pure and utterly crappy cut scenes of you being tied to a helicopter is a tribute to the downfall this gaming industry is now known for.

It takes at least 12 months to develop a full 3D world you can fly over, land everywhere you want and adventure in..

So why didnt the all mighty WoW have this in at launch? Why did it take them so long to get the expansion out with it in? Oh wait. We also forget every game including WoW had fast travel like zeplins/boats.

It takes 2 days to make a loading cut screen like in WAR.

Again, also like most MMO's with a fast travle option.

Yes indeed THAT is about the difference between the vast superior quality some offer compared to the work of amateurs trying to do the “same thing”.

Amateurs? Please. Mythic is a multi million dollar company backed by one of the largest gaming companies around EA. I dont agree with most thing EA does  btw.  Amateur is someone like you who claims they know what the hell they are talking about when in reality you have no fkn clue what it takes to make a AAA title.

And do NOT enter in this discussion War fan boys, because in about EVERY other aspect of WAR this HUGE ugly gap is showing.
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From complete lacking intelligence in the Mob paths to extreme lacking control functions in PvP combat (yes CC DOES need MORE programming efforts), to complete absence of different (so more costly to develop) class resources (like mana).

Ok the AI does need work I will give you that. A lack of CC has nothing to do with programming efforts. Again, stop trying to act like you know what your talking about. Class resources? Dont ignore waaagh, soul essence ect. Thoes are all class specific resources ONTOP of action points. Every class has a mechanic they have to micro manage ontop of AP. Nice try though.

This game is a laugh as an MMORPG – a WORLD you live in -

Everything is window dressing in this game. The high mountains are a cheap 2D camouflage to lure you into utterly crap of ‘tunnel vision” progress. A fixed road to just more of the same: bashing some heads of others, stupid enough to play.

The mountains are hardly 2d. You can climb up them and run around on them. They are 3d.

Scenarios are a laugh. Some are being played on a post stamp.

What? This here proves you havent even played the game. Name me a game with better scenario's/battlegrounds so I can poke holes through your argument some more.


The game’s ugliness is a new milestone of that famous new legendary one-liner :
“How to take the money and run with the LEAST effort possible.

Purly opinion. I personally like the graphics.

Grtz to the intelligence of all people who don’t even notice the most obvious.

Kudos to the intelligence of someone to type grtz. Stop trying to act smart and pat yourself on the back. Your anything but.

This WAR is about the deepest fall in the development of MMO Role Playing Games you can have.


It’s tasteless, boring and has an incredibly bad design (just look at the server caps which will strangle its own populations in two months time), but mostly it is CHEAP in execution.

 I wouldn’t even play it if it were offered free. Still a few days left on my cancelled CE tx to GOA, but I can't even log in anymore. I am too spoiled with the approach of real hi quality and polished games.

Which games would these be? AION looks ok. TCOS looks decent. WOTLK is the same with mounted combat (which I have to admit was kinda fun in beta) but not worth the box price. Darkfall may verry well offer what the sandbox people want but that is yet to be seen.

And I hope for the sake of the industry the annalists ARE right: - 250 K after three months - because that would even be too much honour.

What annalists lol? Random people on random forums? Get a clue. Do some research. Actual numbers havent been mentioned but if you look around Mark Jacobs has posted that within the first couple days they where over 50% more than DAOC ever had which put them around 375k. Later in that post he mentions they have already blown that number out of the water within the first week. Granted only time will tell how well WAR does in the long run. But trying to say anylists have said anything? HAHA 
 

The game definitly has some issues. Fortunatly this isnt AOC and things will get fixed. Sorry I didnt have any facts for you besides mountains not being 2d and classes do have there own "resources" as you put it. Other than thoes two things you flat out lied about everything else was opinion on both your part and mine. The two items you TRIED to put as facts however where infact lies which I countered with facts.

Edit: I forgot. Massivly did say 250k after 3 months. Look at some of there other guesses. They have been far from right in almost every case. There is a reason they are the only ones running there mouth right now. MMORPG's are some of the most difficult games to guess boxes sold/subscriber bases.

Originally posted by Janus35

Why is it on the interwebs that people think that other people care what they think? Its like they believe that because they say its so it is. Look mate (OP) no one cares what you think, really they dont. This is the internet and woe be it for me to infringe on your freedom of speech but NO ONE cares that you dont like the game. There will be some that say by replying to the thread that I am contradicting myself and that by replying I am proving that I do care. Not so. My opinion has as much value as the OP's, i.e. none. The OP wont care what I say and will find no value in it ......... see where im going with this? Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one but that dont mean that your opinion has value to anyone else. My advise would be, take a deep breath, turn off the PC go outside and reflect on the way your life is going because if you put this much importance on a game ..... yes a game, with what is happening in the world then you need help, really.

I wont respond to any flames to this post because I have better things to do like take the dog for a walk and stuff.

Thankyou.

Oh the irony

Says biggest troll and Blizzard brownoser, thanks for laugh.

bodypass latches onto one small minor thing that barely affects gameplay and makes it out to be the downfall of a hundred nations.  He also latches onto false information and lies, and he repeats every single one of these things that pops into his head like a lightbulb went off and he must think it makes him look so clever.  He usually comes up with them flaming a constructive post about WAR while promoting WoW, and claiming that everyone and their mother will return to WoW within 10 days.  He offers out fake beards and sunglasses so everyone can return to WoW unashamed.  After he trolls a post with something like 'lame zoning by helicopter.', in which he doesn't seem to realize that it isn't only helicopters, and he thinks it is so clever he writes a new post about it, or puts it in his sig. 

Then he goes on the WoW forums and complains about people over here hating WoW and only contributes to troll/flame posts but ignores any constructive criticism of his precious game, unless it is to bash WAR when the post has nothing to do with it. 

He swore up and down that servers were locked at 500/500 when that was only for a few days at launch before expanding the servers.  He swore that everyone would be bored and return to WoW within 7 days at launch, but it's been 7 days. 

Most importantly what he fails to realize is that WAR actually promotes World PvP, and the best way to have large RvR areas is to have them zoned.  They still have large areas, but having them zoned can allow for more people fighting in an area with less server strain.  With WoW's system after a few months of Tarren Mill and World PvP straining servers they decided to push the focus into BG's and eventually Arena. 

The most important thing is what is an average play session like in a game?  So in WoW I can spend 8 minutes on a flying mount, grind some quests, spend 8 minutes returning, do some BG's, fight in an arena.  Maybe if I have 4 hours and a free schedule I can do a small PvE raid.  Now in that list does it even make sense to include the flying mount?  No it is only included because of how much time it wastes if it would ever be included.  Either people complain about the waste of time or they don't say anything about it. 

Now what bodypass finds so hard to understand is that WAR isn't a game where everyone is at end game with at least 1-2 characters.  We don't know what WAR end game is going to play out like.  Most likely it will involve a non stop tug of war RvR struggle to push towards the other sides capital and siege it.  Some scenarios here and there.  Once again traveling is not mentioned because it is unimportant in the big picture, but it is not mentioned as an annoyance either.  When I see my keep is being sieged I want to get there and into the action. 

However, I also like WoW's way and I think it is more fitting for a PvE game.  It doesn't annoy me personally to fly in WoW on pre-determined paths.  I also like WoW's graphics though which annoy a ton of people.  Anyway read up on bodypass's post history it is always entertaining.

Originally posted by bodypass

Yes indeed THAT is about the difference between the vast superior quality some offer compared to the work of amateurs trying to do the “same thing”.

err...   what? 

meh.. no point in arguing more with the OP.  You never read anything about WAR or you just make stuff up?

Originally posted by ProfRed

bodypass latches onto one small minor thing that barely affects gameplay and makes it out to be the downfall of a hundred nations.  He also latches onto false information and lies, and he repeats every single one of these things that pops into his head like a lightbulb went off and he must think it makes him look so clever.  He usually comes up with them flaming a constructive post about WAR while promoting WoW, and claiming that everyone and their mother will return to WoW within 10 days.  He offers out fake beards and sunglasses so everyone can return to WoW unashamed.  After he trolls a post with something like 'lame zoning by helicopter.', in which he doesn't seem to realize that it isn't only helicopters, and he thinks it is so clever he writes a new post about it, or puts it in his sig. 

Then he goes on the WoW forums and complains about people over here hating WoW and only contributes to troll/flame posts but ignores any constructive criticism of his precious game, unless it is to bash WAR when the post has nothing to do with it. 

He swore up and down that servers were locked at 500/500 when that was only for a few days at launch before expanding the servers.  He swore that everyone would be bored and return to WoW within 7 days at launch, but it's been 7 days. 

Most importantly what he fails to realize is that WAR actually promotes World PvP, and the best way to have large RvR areas is to have them zoned.  They still have large areas, but having them zoned can allow for more people fighting in an area with less server strain.  With WoW's system after a few months of Tarren Mill and World PvP straining servers they decided to push the focus into BG's and eventually Arena. 

The most important thing is what is an average play session like in a game?  So in WoW I can spend 8 minutes on a flying mount, grind some quests, spend 8 minutes returning, do some BG's, fight in an arena.  Maybe if I have 4 hours and a free schedule I can do a small PvE raid.  Now in that list does it even make sense to include the flying mount?  No it is only included because of how much time it wastes if it would ever be included.  Either people complain about the waste of time or they don't say anything about it. 

Now what bodypass finds so hard to understand is that WAR isn't a game where everyone is at end game with at least 1-2 characters.  We don't know what WAR end game is going to play out like.  Most likely it will involve a non stop tug of war RvR struggle to push towards the other sides capital and siege it.  Some scenarios here and there.  Once again traveling is not mentioned because it is unimportant in the big picture, but it is not mentioned as an annoyance either.  When I see my keep is being sieged I want to get there and into the action. 

However, I also like WoW's way and I think it is more fitting for a PvE game.  It doesn't annoy me personally to fly in WoW on pre-determined paths.  I also like WoW's graphics though which annoy a ton of people.  Anyway read up on bodypass's post history it is always entertaining.

What he said!

Who reads threads like this? Don't you just get depressed reading threads like this?

I can summarise it pretty short:

Nag nag nag nag whine whine whine nag nag nag bla bla bla.