with 26 Low Order population servers during prime time....sounds about right

http://www.massively.com/2008/09/24/analyst--war-subscriptions-will-eventually-settle-around-250000/

That seems a little low. probably 500k to 600k is closer in a month or two.

The reason being is that there isnt' anywhere else for 'wow-haters' to go.  There also isn't a game launching any time soon ( I think Bioware is next, but that is a long way away).

But I think the big test with War is how good Lake Wintergrasp ends up being in WOW.   The zone so far is amazing, with moveable seige weapons, troop transports, destrutable walls and buildings, fighter plans and bombers etc etc.   If the thing you like most about a MMORPG is seiging, wow is really going to blow Warhammer away.  There are just so many more things to do with seiging than warhammer offers.

Are these the american servers? All the euro ones are either full, or high at prime time.

Originally posted by Azrile

That seems a little low. probably 500k to 600k is closer in a month or two.

The reason being is that there isnt' anywhere else for 'wow-haters' to go.  There also isn't a game launching any time soon ( I think Bioware is next, but that is a long way away).

But I think the big test with War is how good Lake Wintergrasp ends up being in WOW.   The zone so far is amazing, with moveable seige weapons, troop transports, destrutable walls and buildings, fighter plans and bombers etc etc.   If the thing you like most about a MMORPG is seiging, wow is really going to blow Warhammer away.  There are just so many more things to do with seiging than warhammer offers.

Im sorry but i have to disagree completely here.  WoW will not blow warhammer away in PVP sieging, 1 zone is nothing compared to an entire game (every zone) of siege weapons and constant battles...leading up to capital city sieges.  Yes WoW is a great game...but unfortunately I think 1 zone, only 1 hero class and 2 expansions later..its too little too late.  Good luck with the WoW expansion, im not touching it untill they fix the end game gear grind problem.  To the OP, EA announced they sold 1.5 million copies in just North America. How many stay is a different story.

250k seems really low. oyu can find alot of high/high populations during the servers respective primetime hours. Then their the EU side of the house which i have no idea about =p My guess is that they get about 500K or more from NA alone

Originally posted by Wakygreek

Originally posted by Azrile

That seems a little low. probably 500k to 600k is closer in a month or two.

The reason being is that there isnt' anywhere else for 'wow-haters' to go.  There also isn't a game launching any time soon ( I think Bioware is next, but that is a long way away).

But I think the big test with War is how good Lake Wintergrasp ends up being in WOW.   The zone so far is amazing, with moveable seige weapons, troop transports, destrutable walls and buildings, fighter plans and bombers etc etc.   If the thing you like most about a MMORPG is seiging, wow is really going to blow Warhammer away.  There are just so many more things to do with seiging than warhammer offers.

 

Im sorry but i have to disagree completely here.  WoW will not blow warhammer away in PVP sieging, 1 zone is nothing compared to an entire game (every zone) of siege weapons and constant battles...leading up to capital city sieges.  Yes WoW is a great game...but unfortunately I think 1 zone, only 1 hero class and 2 expansions later..its too little too late.  Good luck with the WoW expansion, im not touching it untill they fix the end game gear grind problem.  To the OP, EA announced they sold 1.5 million copies in just North America. How many stay is a different story.

"every zone" lol make that 10%, 20% etc / zone ..

Its a guestimation based on what EA hopes to have it has nothing to do with reality.  Anyone that takes this post as truth is retarded at the moment.  I'm not saying it'll make a million but I am saying that the OP is trying to twist the wording of the article to his own benefit.

250K is rather good in normal standards. Only one Game ever got bloated with more than 500K and thats WoW not even EQ 1 or 2 ever reached a Million and they're considered finicial successes because they are making a profit.

EA projecting 250k subs seems a bit odd to me.  While I wouldn't assume they would estimate over a millsion I would at least think they would be in the 400-500k range.  Although the old saying it better to under promise and over deliver may apply.  If they estimated 600k and only pulled 400k that that could be taken as a failure.

Originally posted by mo0rbid

Originally posted by Wakygreek

Originally posted by Azrile

That seems a little low. probably 500k to 600k is closer in a month or two.

The reason being is that there isnt' anywhere else for 'wow-haters' to go.  There also isn't a game launching any time soon ( I think Bioware is next, but that is a long way away).

But I think the big test with War is how good Lake Wintergrasp ends up being in WOW.   The zone so far is amazing, with moveable seige weapons, troop transports, destrutable walls and buildings, fighter plans and bombers etc etc.   If the thing you like most about a MMORPG is seiging, wow is really going to blow Warhammer away.  There are just so many more things to do with seiging than warhammer offers.

 

Im sorry but i have to disagree completely here.  WoW will not blow warhammer away in PVP sieging, 1 zone is nothing compared to an entire game (every zone) of siege weapons and constant battles...leading up to capital city sieges.  Yes WoW is a great game...but unfortunately I think 1 zone, only 1 hero class and 2 expansions later..its too little too late.  Good luck with the WoW expansion, im not touching it untill they fix the end game gear grind problem.  To the OP, EA announced they sold 1.5 million copies in just North America. How many stay is a different story.

 

"every zone" lol make that 10%, 20% etc / zone ..

Every zone has rvr in it, if it doesnt on your server i think you arent looking in the right places. and as far as server population, during prime time every server in the list is usually high or full with ques.

Am I reading the article incorrectly? It seems to state this as a prediction based on what the company stated it was aiming for, and not based on the release of any hard evidence for population numbers.

Edit:

Originally posted by banthis

Its a guestimation based on what EA hopes to have it has nothing to do with reality. Anyone that takes this post as truth is retarded at the moment. I'm not saying it'll make a million but I am saying that the OP is trying to twist the wording of the article to his own benefit.
 

Oh ok What banthis said makes a lot more sense.

only 250k?

That's shocking considering the pre release hype.

Doesn't look like Warhammer is going to be the success they hoped for.

Originally posted by Wakygreek

Originally posted by Azrile

That seems a little low. probably 500k to 600k is closer in a month or two.

The reason being is that there isnt' anywhere else for 'wow-haters' to go.  There also isn't a game launching any time soon ( I think Bioware is next, but that is a long way away).

But I think the big test with War is how good Lake Wintergrasp ends up being in WOW.   The zone so far is amazing, with moveable seige weapons, troop transports, destrutable walls and buildings, fighter plans and bombers etc etc.   If the thing you like most about a MMORPG is seiging, wow is really going to blow Warhammer away.  There are just so many more things to do with seiging than warhammer offers.

 

Im sorry but i have to disagree completely here.  WoW will not blow warhammer away in PVP sieging, 1 zone is nothing compared to an entire game (every zone) of siege weapons and constant battles...leading up to capital city sieges.  Yes WoW is a great game...but unfortunately I think 1 zone, only 1 hero class and 2 expansions later..its too little too late.  Good luck with the WoW expansion, im not touching it untill they fix the end game gear grind problem.  To the OP, EA announced they sold 1.5 million copies in just North America. How many stay is a different story.

yeah 1 zone youre right....but its better than tier 1-3 worth of RvR war offers right now. most of witch are empty a majorty of time unless you stay on the empire/chaos pairing.

they really blew WaR away when it comes to seige weaponary. i hate to say it

Ive been looking for a new MMO to play besides WoW...but no point in playing another game just to play it because its different if its not *better*

Originally posted by kazson

Originally posted by Wakygreek

Originally posted by Azrile

That seems a little low. probably 500k to 600k is closer in a month or two.

The reason being is that there isnt' anywhere else for 'wow-haters' to go.  There also isn't a game launching any time soon ( I think Bioware is next, but that is a long way away).

But I think the big test with War is how good Lake Wintergrasp ends up being in WOW.   The zone so far is amazing, with moveable seige weapons, troop transports, destrutable walls and buildings, fighter plans and bombers etc etc.   If the thing you like most about a MMORPG is seiging, wow is really going to blow Warhammer away.  There are just so many more things to do with seiging than warhammer offers.

 

Im sorry but i have to disagree completely here.  WoW will not blow warhammer away in PVP sieging, 1 zone is nothing compared to an entire game (every zone) of siege weapons and constant battles...leading up to capital city sieges.  Yes WoW is a great game...but unfortunately I think 1 zone, only 1 hero class and 2 expansions later..its too little too late.  Good luck with the WoW expansion, im not touching it untill they fix the end game gear grind problem.  To the OP, EA announced they sold 1.5 million copies in just North America. How many stay is a different story.

 

yeah 1 zone youre right....but its better than tier 1-3 worth of RvR war offers right now. most of witch are empty a majorty of time unless you stay on the empire/chaos pairing.

they really blew WaR away when it comes to seige weaponary. i hate to say it

Ive been looking for a new MMO to play besides WoW...but no point in playing another game just to play it because its different if its not *better*

On every server ive played on (total 4) every tier ive been in usually 1-3 ive seen battles.  people actually use the siege weapons and they work just fine.  The rvr is not specifically in only 1 area, however some areas see more action then others. 
 

Originally posted by banthis

Its a guestimation based on what EA hopes to have it has nothing to do with reality.  Anyone that takes this post as truth is retarded at the moment.  I'm not saying it'll make a million but I am saying that the OP is trying to twist the wording of the article to his own benefit.

250K is rather good in normal standards. Only one Game ever got bloated with more than 500K and thats WoW not even EQ 1 or 2 ever reached a Million and they're considered finicial successes because they are making a profit.

LOTRO and FFXI surpass 500k

Originally posted by RedwoodSap

only 250k?

That's shocking considering the pre release hype.

Doesn't look like Warhammer is going to be the success they hoped for.

Read the article, It's nothing more than a wild guess and pure speculation by someone not connected to Mythic or EA in any way.

Originally posted by Professor78

Originally posted by banthis

Its a guestimation based on what EA hopes to have it has nothing to do with reality.  Anyone that takes this post as truth is retarded at the moment.  I'm not saying it'll make a million but I am saying that the OP is trying to twist the wording of the article to his own benefit.

250K is rather good in normal standards. Only one Game ever got bloated with more than 500K and thats WoW not even EQ 1 or 2 ever reached a Million and they're considered finicial successes because they are making a profit.

 

LOTRO and FFXI surpass 500k

FFXI *maybe* if you count all NA/EU/Asian markets, but definitely not LOTRO. If you have a better source and analysis than this site http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html I'd like to take a look at it.

WoW siege weapon

http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Movies.Detail&id=514

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Originally posted by mo0rbid

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Originally posted by Wakygreek

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Originally posted by Azrile

That seems a little low. probably 500k to 600k is closer in a month or two.
The reason being is that there isnt' anywhere else for 'wow-haters' to go.  There also isn't a game launching any time soon ( I think Bioware is next, but that is a long way away).
But I think the big test with War is how good Lake Wintergrasp ends up being in WOW.   The zone so far is amazing, with moveable seige weapons, troop transports, destrutable walls and buildings, fighter plans and bombers etc etc.   If the thing you like most about a MMORPG is seiging, wow is really going to blow Warhammer away.  There are just so many more things to do with seiging than warhammer offers.

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Im sorry but i have to disagree completely here.  WoW will not blow warhammer away in PVP sieging, 1 zone is nothing compared to an entire game (every zone) of siege weapons and constant battles...leading up to capital city sieges.  Yes WoW is a great game...but unfortunately I think 1 zone, only 1 hero class and 2 expansions later..its too little too late.  Good luck with the WoW expansion, im not touching it untill they fix the end game gear grind problem.  To the OP, EA announced they sold 1.5 million copies in just North America. How many stay is a different story.

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"every zone" lol make that 10%, 20% etc / zone ..

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Actually every map has a good 45% of it as RvR.

Originally posted by vernd

Originally posted by Professor78

Originally posted by banthis

Its a guestimation based on what EA hopes to have it has nothing to do with reality.  Anyone that takes this post as truth is retarded at the moment.  I'm not saying it'll make a million but I am saying that the OP is trying to twist the wording of the article to his own benefit.

250K is rather good in normal standards. Only one Game ever got bloated with more than 500K and thats WoW not even EQ 1 or 2 ever reached a Million and they're considered finicial successes because they are making a profit.

 

LOTRO and FFXI surpass 500k

FFXI *maybe* if you count all NA/EU/Asian markets, but definitely not LOTRO. If you have a better source and analysis than this site http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html I'd like to take a look at it.

Yep from NPD, latest article i can find about subs is here 

I realy don't know where mmogchart get there fighures from, as most games don'y officialy release them (ffxi excluded, as they do)

Originally posted by Professor78

Originally posted by banthis

Its a guestimation based on what EA hopes to have it has nothing to do with reality.  Anyone that takes this post as truth is retarded at the moment.  I'm not saying it'll make a million but I am saying that the OP is trying to twist the wording of the article to his own benefit.

250K is rather good in normal standards. Only one Game ever got bloated with more than 500K and thats WoW not even EQ 1 or 2 ever reached a Million and they're considered finicial successes because they are making a profit.

 

LOTRO and FFXI surpass 500k

Reread the article they're shooting for 200 to 300k to break even & turn a profit thats actually really good.  If they can turn a profit / break even with those numbers that means any additional amount of numbers is a bigger boon.  Look at WoW it has Millions of customers..and because of it it needs Millions of dollars to continue running.

A good large number of LOTRO's '500k' are life time subscribers they're not paying a dime. Also turbine does not post or talk about population numbes so I'd like to know where this mythical 500K subscribers comes from.

FFXI please prove this when I played the game it was crap and it was incredibly hard to find anyone to do anything.