I concur with the above post, well said.

I've played Guild Wars since players were allowed in for the weekend betas/stress tests.

I understood, from the beginning, that "leveling" was not the thrust of this game. Storyline, quests, missions, challenges and guild participation are the meat of Guild Wars.

Regardless I have played solo throughout all campaigns and, except for a few challenging sections, have done very well and am pleased with the  direction this game has gone. I can't wait to what the devs do with G2.

OP started this thread, it seem, to be inflammatory and contentious because he doesn't want to bother to understand the game.

Too many players jump on the next new game hoping to "pwn" and in Guild Wars it's nearly impossible - isn't it? Nobody really cares, except maybe your guild mates. This is good - imho - for the rest of us that want away from the "netboi" mentality.

As I've said in other places - when I become interested in a game I go READ the website, and any user forums, wikis and fansites to see if it's a good fit for me.

If players are too lazy to do this small amount of homework, for themselves, then they shouldn't come whining and complaining later when they find out a game isn't suited to them.

Originally posted by Safra 

Too many players jump on the next new game hoping to "pwn" and in Guild Wars it's nearly impossible - isn't it? Nobody really cares, except maybe your guild mates. This is good - imho - for the rest of us that want away from the "netboi" mentality.

 

As I've said in other places - when I become interested in a game I go READ the website, and any user forums, wikis and fansites to see if it's a good fit for me.

 

If players are too lazy to do this small amount of homework, for themselves, then they shouldn't come whining and complaining later when they find out a game isn't suited to them.

 

 

 

Well said.

Sorry but GW pvp is just lame. I dont know how peoples call it "BALANCED" and best PVP, I just found it unenjoyable. And is ONLY 5vs5. Come one... after you played WSG/AB/Eots/AV in WOW is impossible to like that crap. Seriously... PVP must be fun. Whats so fun in GW PVP? I dont get it... Not counting endless skills what you can buy.. OK, in WOW you grind gear in GW you grind skills, I am right? But come on, I fail to see the fun in a 5vs5 stupid arena in GW..

Originally posted by tokenizer

Sorry but GW pvp is just lame. I dont know how peoples call it "BALANCED" and best PVP, I just found it unenjoyable. And is ONLY 5vs5. Come one... after you played WSG/AB/Eots/AV in WOW is impossible to like that crap. Seriously... PVP must be fun. Whats so fun in GW PVP? I dont get it... Not counting endless skills what you can buy.. OK, in WOW you grind gear in GW you grind skills, I am right? But come on, I fail to see the fun in a 5vs5 stupid arena in GW..

Failure on so many levels.  First of all, how about playing the game?  The fact that you rip on "5v5" in a game that has no 5v5 shows you haven't bothered looking at the game, much less have a clue what you are talking about.  First, there are 4v4, 8v8, and 12v12.  Second, you can buy, for a decent price, as many skills as you need in-game.  So, no, you are WRONG about grinding skills like you grind gear in WoW.  The definition of balance is where both sides are equal.  Skills are adjusted on a regular basis, and no builds or skills are allowed to affecct the meta of the game for long before they adjust them.  Each player has access to the same skill sets, and it's up to the ability of the player and his/her team to determine their success(Look up 'synergy').  I know skill over time played is a hard concept for you to wrap your mind around, but give it a try.  Your idea of fun must be grinding out for that staff or armor that is better than everyone else's, instead of relying on your knowledge and skills to get you through the game.  I guess some people like chess...and others like checkers.

Actually, do you ever played WSG or AB or AV in WOW? Wining AB means MUCH MORE that gear and skill, the amount of team work put in a victory is NOT comparable with anything what i've seen in GW PVP.

PS Sorry about 5vs5 I was used with arena 5vs5. 4vs4 is even worst.

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Originally posted by tokenizer
Actually, do you ever played WSG or AB or AV in WOW? Wining AB means MUCH MORE that gear and skill, the amount of team work put in a victory is NOT comparable with anything what i've seen in GW PVP.
 
PS Sorry about 5vs5 I was used with arena 5vs5. 4vs4 is even worst.

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The deciding factor in WoW PvP is typically gear and who can be assed to use most potions. WoW PvP got absolutely nothing with skill to do, it's only about gear. In WSG, AB or AV you win if your team has even the slightest amount of cooperation, and telling people "go here" doesn't take skill. In GW PvP such as GvG and HA both teams are on par when it comes to equip so the deciding factor will be how good your team is at the game, i.e. skill. GvG and HA requires you to have good positioning, awareness of what everyone else is doing, awareness of what other persons are casting, see if warriors are moving up to train you, watching out for spikes, watching out for nukes, avoiding getting dshotted, watching for splits (in GvG) and so on and so on. GW PvP takes huge amount of skills, especially since the deciding factor in GW is skills, whereas WoW PvP is about the best geared team.

Originally posted by Godliest

 

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Originally posted by tokenizer
Actually, do you ever played WSG or AB or AV in WOW? Wining AB means MUCH MORE that gear and skill, the amount of team work put in a victory is NOT comparable with anything what i've seen in GW PVP.
 
PS Sorry about 5vs5 I was used with arena 5vs5. 4vs4 is even worst.

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The deciding factor in WoW PvP is typically gear and who can be assed to use most potions. WoW PvP got absolutely nothing with skill to do, it's only about gear. In WSG, AB or AV you win if your team has even the slightest amount of cooperation, and telling people "go here" doesn't take skill. In GW PvP such as GvG and HA both teams are on par when it comes to equip so the deciding factor will be how good your team is at the game, i.e. skill. GvG and HA requires you to have good positioning, awareness of what everyone else is doing, awareness of what other persons are casting, see if warriors are moving up to train you, watching out for spikes, watching out for nukes, avoiding getting dshotted, watching for splits (in GvG) and so on and so on. GW PvP takes huge amount of skills, especially since the deciding factor in GW is skills, whereas WoW PvP is about the best geared team.

WoW Arena fights vs GW PvP are very similar. You can only have a limited factor of "skill" involved in games where targetting and skill-clicking are prominent.

Positioning, awareness, etc, are all factors in WoW Arena PvP as well. Gear is right up there too, I'lle give you that. I just won't accept anyone saying how GW PvP requires more skill xD.

Originally posted by tokenizer

Sorry but GW pvp is just lame. I dont know how peoples call it "BALANCED" and best PVP, I just found it unenjoyable. And is ONLY 5vs5. Come one... after you played WSG/AB/Eots/AV in WOW is impossible to like that crap. Seriously... PVP must be fun. Whats so fun in GW PVP? I dont get it... Not counting endless skills what you can buy.. OK, in WOW you grind gear in GW you grind skills, I am right? But come on, I fail to see the fun in a 5vs5 stupid arena in GW..

Epic fail on so many levels. You haven't a remote clue on what you're talking about.

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Originally posted by BizkitNL
WoW Arena fights vs GW PvP are very similar. You can only have a limited factor of "skill" involved in games where targetting and skill-clicking are prominent.
Positioning, awareness, etc, are all factors in WoW Arena PvP as well. Gear is right up there too, I'lle give you that. I just won't accept anyone saying how GW PvP requires more skill xD.

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I've played Wow PvP yes, and it's not as zerg-friendly as WAR but still zerg-friendly enough. Positioning and awareness are in WoW faaaar from as relevant as they are in GW and the gear factor you got in WoW is what will determine most battles. Additionally the post I quoted took WSG, AB and AV as examples, all of them requiring only a very small amount of coordination and cooperation to win. I've played organized WoW PvP and even then the deciding factor is gear and not skill. The XvX arenas at top ranked levels I can accept require some skills since then you got two equally good geared up teams versus each other, but that's only a few whereas it in GW is so everywhere. Finally though: no there's no skill limit in WoW that come even close to that of GW, not in how many you can use or how many you want to use, and even so GW's skill system is far more than just picking 8 skills.

Originally posted by BizkitNL
 

WoW Arena fights vs GW PvP are very similar. You can only have a limited factor of "skill" involved in games where targetting and skill-clicking are prominent.

Positioning, awareness, etc, are all factors in WoW Arena PvP as well. Gear is right up there too, I'lle give you that. I just won't accept anyone saying how GW PvP requires more skill xD.

In WoW, PvP is dominated by whichever side is higher level and/or has better gear.  In Guild Wars, essentially everyone is the same level with perfect gear, so being higher level or having better gear cannot be a factor.

Well, I can understand why funboys defend GW. Is OK. But take a look:

GW PVP

- arenas

WOW  PVP

- battlegrounds

- arenas

- world PVP ( including different achievements like killing oposite factions leaders, etc)

So, wich one is more atractive? You all try to explain that GW is skill, blah blah blah... 

Anti example: In WOW if you play arena, you DONT NEED TO GRIND anything, doing 10-20 games can give you a nice rating IF YOU ARE SKILLED. In GW you have to grind like an idiot for skills.

BUT, DO NOT compare WOW arena with GW arena crap. In GW you jump in random arena with random peoples and ? You really expect to win if you have a BAD CLASS setup? Because is random? Not talking about skill? Seriously... Take a look at WOW, there is a reason why you can form an arena team and invite what classes you think you need to win. And that you call GW PVP?

Please please, I know I epic fail right now at GW PVP, but failing at GW failed PVP system dont prove anything, I just DONT ENJOY IT.

Originally posted by tokenizer

Please please, I know I epic fail right now at GW PVP, but failing at GW failed PVP system dont prove anything, I just DONT ENJOY IT.

 

Why are you even here discussing it then?

Originally posted by tokenizer

Well, I can understand why funboys defend GW. Is OK. But take a look:

 

GW PVP

- arenas

 

WOW  PVP

- battlegrounds

- arenas

- world PVP ( including different achievements like killing oposite factions leaders, etc)

 

So, wich one is more atractive? You all try to explain that GW is skill, blah blah blah... 

Anti example: In WOW if you play arena, you DONT NEED TO GRIND anything, doing 10-20 games can give you a nice rating IF YOU ARE SKILLED. In GW you have to grind like an idiot for skills.

BUT, DO NOT compare WOW arena with GW arena crap. In GW you jump in random arena with random peoples and ? You really expect to win if you have a BAD CLASS setup? Because is random? Not talking about skill? Seriously... Take a look at WOW, there is a reason why you can form an arena team and invite what classes you think you need to win. And that you call GW PVP?

Please please, I know I epic fail right now at GW PVP, but failing at GW failed PVP system dont prove anything, I just DONT ENJOY IT.

 

 

Hi Zorn,

You came here just to provoke a reaction since it's clear you have never played Guild Wars.

You don't like the game that's fine but to come in here to specifically troll?

Can PvP earn you a city or town in WoW?

Sure smells like Zorn here... How's my favorite fanboi doing?

Originally posted by tokenizer

Well, I can understand why funboys defend GW. Is OK. But take a look:

 

GW PVP

- arenas

 

WOW  PVP

- battlegrounds

- arenas

- world PVP ( including different achievements like killing oposite factions leaders, etc)

 

So, wich one is more atractive? You all try to explain that GW is skill, blah blah blah... 

Anti example: In WOW if you play arena, you DONT NEED TO GRIND anything, doing 10-20 games can give you a nice rating IF YOU ARE SKILLED. In GW you have to grind like an idiot for skills.

BUT, DO NOT compare WOW arena with GW arena crap. In GW you jump in random arena with random peoples and ? You really expect to win if you have a BAD CLASS setup? Because is random? Not talking about skill? Seriously... Take a look at WOW, there is a reason why you can form an arena team and invite what classes you think you need to win. And that you call GW PVP?

Please please, I know I epic fail right now at GW PVP, but failing at GW failed PVP system dont prove anything, I just DONT ENJOY IT.

 

 

Random Arenas, Team Arenas, Heroes Ascent, GvG, Skirmish, Hero Battles, Alliance Battles, Fort Aspenwood (siege battle), Jade Quarry, Zaishen Challenge, as well as Rollerbeetle Racing and Snowball Fights during holiday events and "mini" PvP holiday games such as the Present Run. All of these are completely skill-based and not gear based (which you can get for free). You can create max-level characters right from the start and since you equip 8 skills at a time you do NOT have to grind for skills unless there's something wrong with you upstairs.

And WoW has?

Originally posted by Lydon

And WoW has?

 

A monthly fee ;)

heeheehee

Aww, ain't that cute?  A WoW player is complaining that Guild Wars is too grindy.  What's next?  A WoW player complaining that it takes too long to get back to towns that you've previously visited in Guild Wars because the game lacks mounts?  A WoW player complaining that Guild Wars is overrun with gold farmers?  A WoW player complaining about ninja looters in Guild Wars? 

Originally posted by tokenizer

Well, I can understand why funboys defend GW. Is OK. But take a look:

 

GW PVP

- arenas

 

WOW  PVP

- battlegrounds

- arenas

- world PVP ( including different achievements like killing oposite factions leaders, etc)

 

So, wich one is more atractive? You all try to explain that GW is skill, blah blah blah... 

Anti example: In WOW if you play arena, you DONT NEED TO GRIND anything, doing 10-20 games can give you a nice rating IF YOU ARE SKILLED. In GW you have to grind like an idiot for skills.

BUT, DO NOT compare WOW arena with GW arena crap. In GW you jump in random arena with random peoples and ? You really expect to win if you have a BAD CLASS setup? Because is random? Not talking about skill? Seriously... Take a look at WOW, there is a reason why you can form an arena team and invite what classes you think you need to win. And that you call GW PVP?

Please please, I know I epic fail right now at GW PVP, but failing at GW failed PVP system dont prove anything, I just DONT ENJOY IT.

 

 

I play WoW and used to do arena's alot. It takes little skill to be good at it. GW pvp is supirior most in most aspects. World pvp in WoW has been dead for a very long time. Arena's are imbalanced and resiliance means almost nothing. Learn a little more about the game your trying to trash and defend next time please and thank you