ok, time to dispel a common myth on this site -- opinions CAN be wrong.   everyone will have an opinion and that does not mean that because it's "their experience" that the opinion is, by definition, correct.

a man has never eaten steak before.  he goes to a restaurant and orders steak.  for whatever reason, the raw steak is spoiled and rancid.  the chef cooks it and the man eats it.  he thinks it is horrid and gets sick.  from his experience/in his opinion -- steak is horrible.

a LOT of the "opinions" that get defended as "oh it's my opinion, how can you tell me what i think?  how can you tell me i'm wrong." are exactly like the above example -- completely subjective based upon a very tiny sampling.

so, i'm sorry, but YES, your opinion can be completely offbase and incorrect, and if someone presents factual information to disprove your "opinion"; then, welcome to the world where incorrect opinions DO get corrected... this ain't yo mama's basement no mo.

Originally posted by damian7

ok, time to dispel a common myth on this site -- opinions CAN be wrong.   everyone will have an opinion and that does not mean that because it's "their experience" that the opinion is, by definition, correct.

 

a man has never eaten steak before.  he goes to a restaurant and orders steak.  for whatever reason, the raw steak is spoiled and rancid.  the chef cooks it and the man eats it.  he thinks it is horrid and gets sick.  from his experience/in his opinion -- steak is horrible.

a LOT of the "opinions" that get defended as "oh it's my opinion, how can you tell me what i think?  how can you tell me i'm wrong." are exactly like the above example -- completely subjective based upon a very tiny sampling.

 

so, i'm sorry, but YES, your opinion can be completely offbase and incorrect, and if someone presents factual information to disprove your "opinion"; then, welcome to the world where incorrect opinions DO get corrected... this ain't yo mama's basement no mo.

This kind of reasoning is not allowed here. . .you should be ashamed of yourself.

Sweeping generalizations can be wrong.

Opinions supported by fact/experience are never wrong.

Originally posted by chrisleko

Sweeping generalizations can be wrong.

Opinions supported by fact/experience are never wrong.

thanks for proving my point.   an opinion supported by FACT, would be likely correct.  an opinion supported by EXPERIENCE is exactly my given example of the man eating the bad steak.

sorta like, "oh i keep dying on my toon, XYZ classes are overpowered.  when the truth of the matter is that the person whining is just horrible at pvp."  his experience is that everyone kicks his ass, so those classes must be overpowered, when in fact, he may be playing the overpowered class and he just sucks.

opinion – noun
 

- a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

Heh, I love you people... opinions are never wrong. Opinions are based on personal feelings about something, not necessarily facts. So in essence, everyones opinion is correct, for themselves, and really that is all that matters...

If even one person in the entire world likes it...it's an opinion.

this thread is made of fail and that's my GOD DAMN OPINION!

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by chrisleko

Sweeping generalizations can be wrong.

Opinions supported by fact/experience are never wrong.

 

thanks for proving my point.   an opinion supported by FACT, would be likely correct.  an opinion supported by EXPERIENCE is exactly my given example of the man eating the bad steak.

sorta like, "oh i keep dying on my toon, XYZ classes are overpowered.  when the truth of the matter is that the person whining is just horrible at pvp."  his experience is that everyone kicks his ass, so those classes must be overpowered, when in fact, he may be playing the overpowered class and he just sucks.

LOL.

So now opinions are only valid if they have facts to support them? HAHA you gotta be kidding me, that is the exact opposite of what an opinion is.

An opinion is an opinion because it is what the person thinks, not what is proven or not proven. For your example above, it might just be your opinion that he is horrible at PvP because you play one of the overpowered classes and your domination makes you believe you are awesome at PvP.

See how that works?

The man thinks steak is horrible because the one he ate is horrible. It doesn't matter what you think about steaks, he thinks what he knows. His opinion can CHANGE if he has a good steak, but until then he will still think steak is bad, which is his opinion.

My opinion is that this thread is stupid and based on your own opinion.

Originally posted by chrisleko

Sweeping generalizations can be wrong.

Opinions supported by fact/experience are never wrong.

opinions supported by fact/experience may be wrong. Theories in science are based on MANY tests and facts/experience, but apparently, they dont always hold true.

Originally posted by Darkholme

Heh, I love you people... opinions are never wrong. Opinions are based on personal feelings about something, not necessarily facts. So in essence, everyones opinion is correct, for themselves, and really that is all that matters...

if you keep it to yourself.

if you post your opinion in public, and it IS wrong, then to defend it with "oh it's my opinion" is foolish.  by posting opinions on a public forum, you are inviting others to read, and to respond.  is this not so?  would thinking otherwise be foolish as well?

did you read the example i gave of a wrong opinion?  the quoted post is almost as if someone read the subject and immediately made a post without having read anything in the op, or replies to the op. 

did you miss the steak example?

all opinions are also not necessarily intelligent. 

so it would seem that "no opinion can be wrong" is indeed a myth that needs to be corrected.

seriously?

So in your opinion...there are opinions that are fact?

>.>

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by chrisleko

Sweeping generalizations can be wrong.

Opinions supported by fact/experience are never wrong.

 

thanks for proving my point.   an opinion supported by FACT, would be likely correct.  an opinion supported by EXPERIENCE is exactly my given example of the man eating the bad steak.

sorta like, "oh i keep dying on my toon, XYZ classes are overpowered.  when the truth of the matter is that the person whining is just horrible at pvp."  his experience is that everyone kicks his ass, so those classes must be overpowered, when in fact, he may be playing the overpowered class and he just sucks.

LOL.

So now opinions are only valid if they have facts to support them? HAHA you gotta be kidding me, that is the exact opposite of what an opinion is.

An opinion is an opinion because it is what the person thinks, not what is proven or not proven. For your example above, it might just be your opinion that he is horrible at PvP because you play one of the overpowered classes and your domination makes you believe you are awesome at PvP.

See how that works? 

The man thinks steak is horrible because the one he ate is horrible. It doesn't matter what you think about steaks, he thinks what he knows. His opinion can CHANGE if he has a good steak, but until then he will still think steak is bad, which is his opinion.

My opinion is that this thread is stupid and based on your own opinion.

nice how you show that opinions are wrong, yet in the same breath, you say they're not wrong.

your opinion is yours and yours alone, as long as you keep it to yourself.  if you present it to the public in a venue such as these forums, you are now submitting your opinions to the critique of others.  if your opinion is based upon limited experience, or your own incompetence... you do not have the right, nor should you have the arrogance, to insist that no matter what factual information contradicts you -- that you ARE correct, BECAUSE it is your opinion.

many people held the opinion that the world was flat... did that make it so?

many people believed the earth was the center of the universe... did that make it so?

many people believed that the king/emperor/pharaoh was a god in human form... were they?**

it was their opinion, therefore it can't be wrong, amirite, abrahmm?  that IS what you just stated, amirite?

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Originally posted by chrisleko
Opinions supported by fact/experience are never wrong.

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Truth does not always win an argument.

The OP is correct im tired off horse crap on these boards.

The OP is just mad because he doesn't like how people are allowed to post negative things about his favorite games.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by chrisleko

Sweeping generalizations can be wrong.

Opinions supported by fact/experience are never wrong.

 

thanks for proving my point.   an opinion supported by FACT, would be likely correct.  an opinion supported by EXPERIENCE is exactly my given example of the man eating the bad steak.

sorta like, "oh i keep dying on my toon, XYZ classes are overpowered.  when the truth of the matter is that the person whining is just horrible at pvp."  his experience is that everyone kicks his ass, so those classes must be overpowered, when in fact, he may be playing the overpowered class and he just sucks.

LOL.

So now opinions are only valid if they have facts to support them? HAHA you gotta be kidding me, that is the exact opposite of what an opinion is.

An opinion is an opinion because it is what the person thinks, not what is proven or not proven. For your example above, it might just be your opinion that he is horrible at PvP because you play one of the overpowered classes and your domination makes you believe you are awesome at PvP.

See how that works? 

The man thinks steak is horrible because the one he ate is horrible. It doesn't matter what you think about steaks, he thinks what he knows. His opinion can CHANGE if he has a good steak, but until then he will still think steak is bad, which is his opinion.

My opinion is that this thread is stupid and based on your own opinion.

nice how you show that opinions are wrong, yet in the same breath, you say they're not wrong.

 

your opinion is yours and yours alone, as long as you keep it to yourself.  if you present it to the public in a venue such as these forums, you are now submitting your opinions to the critique of others.  if your opinion is based upon limited experience, or your own incompetence... you do not have the right, nor should you have the arrogance, to insist that no matter what factual information contradicts you -- that you ARE correct, BECAUSE it is your opinion.

 

many people held the opinion that the world was flat... did that make it so?

many people believed the earth was the center of the universe... did that make it so?

many people believed that the king/emperor/pharaoh was a god in human form... were they?**

 

it was their opinion, therefore it can't be wrong, amirite, abrahmm?  that IS what you just stated, amirite?

No, you are wrong... Completely wrong. Those aren't opinions, those are theories and beliefs.

People thought the world was flat because all evidence they saw pointed to that. They were disproven by scientific fact, making their THEORY wrong.

People thought the earth was the center of the universe because the evidence they had said it was. They didn't BELIEVE that something as large as the earth could be moving, and if it was they would feel it. The THEORY that the Earth was the center was disproven by Kepler and his observation of epicycles.

People BELIEVED that their king was a god, and that is what they believe. Can you prove they were wrong? Can you prove they were right? No, you can't really prove anything, it was their faith.

OPINIONS are completely different from beliefs and theories. Opinions are personal views on things.

"Abortion is wrong!" is an opinion. You can't prove with facts whether it is wrong or right.

"<insert game here> sucks!" is another opinion. You can't prove it wrong with "Facts" because it is a personal opinion, doesn't matter how experienced or inexperienced the person that has the opinion is.

And posting an opinion publicly is in no way changing the fact that it is an opinion, it is just allowing others to see how you feel.

I can't believe you came to a forum, especially this one, and tried to change the views or even enlighten the readers.

Seriously, unless you're at a help forum or technical forum, chances are you won't make any sort of breakthrough, especially when trying to spread common sense because common sense is not so common.

What is this?  A dictionary debate forum?

What does the definition of "opinion" have to do with MMOs?

"I do not like the color black, because the color black is dark. Black is a bad color."

Lets break this down...

"I do not like the color black" - an opinion, no wrong, right or facts to be had here.

"because the color black is too dark." - a reasoning for the opinion. Contains a fact because black is indeed a dark color.

"Black is a bad color." - An opinion, no wrong, right or facts to be had here.

This does not however mean that the opinion as a whole is "right" or "wrong". It is very simple. Opinions are based on one persons viewpoint, and whatever information that person wants to use to base that opinion on. By definition opinions CANNOT be right or wrong. You can disagree with them and pose your own opinion, but that DOES NOT make them wrong and you right! This is truly an assinine debate...

Originally posted by Darkholme

Heh, I love you people... opinions are never wrong. Opinions are based on personal feelings about something, not necessarily facts. So in essence, everyones opinion is correct, for themselves, and really that is all that matters...