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I'm bloody sick of hearing that "SOE can't do anything right" or whatever. And this is the probably fiftieth thread I've seen in two months or less blaming the Dev team or SOE in general. So excuse me being a little bit more than "cranky." We pay them, to play their game. They can do whatever they please with it. They own it. We're just "renting space" in the game, that's all. You can't tell them what to do unless you own company stock..... And even then......

I can't even comprehend that mentality.  That goes beyond Stockholm Syndrome.  Unbelievable...

I've seen the same thing over and over again.  This set of "devs" are looked at by some, as the saving grace of SWG.  I still have no idea why.

At least Kauri had "some" population under the last set.  Now, it's dead server after dead server.

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Originally posted by Obee

 

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I'm bloody sick of hearing that "SOE can't do anything right" or whatever. And this is the probably fiftieth thread I've seen in two months or less blaming the Dev team or SOE in general. So excuse me being a little bit more than "cranky." We pay them, to play their game. They can do whatever they please with it. They own it. We're just "renting space" in the game, that's all. You can't tell them what to do unless you own company stock..... And even then......

I can't even comprehend that mentality.  That goes beyond Stockholm Syndrome.  Unbelievable...

 

 

What is wrong with his statement, 100% correct.  You don't comprehend his mentality.  What about his mentality?  He stated something correct, and you have issues with it?

You rented a movie, and half way through you disagree with the way the main actor treats his wife.  So you send an email demanding a change in script and refilming, or you sue Fox or Disney?  Try it.

You only pay $15 for a month, and you think you have the rights to decide on how the game should be developed?  Only $15 and you think you are god.  Go count your contributions again.  Its $15 and yes only a merge pitiful pathetic dismal $15.  Stop feeling big about it.

You are 100% entitled to feeling unhappy about the game.  Quit it, like many of us did.  That is all you can do.  You have no say in SoE or whatever the new department is now called.  They own the game, and you have the option to subscribe or quit.  Sorry that is all you can do.  As for owning Sony Corporation, dream on.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Obee

 

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I'm bloody sick of hearing that "SOE can't do anything right" or whatever. And this is the probably fiftieth thread I've seen in two months or less blaming the Dev team or SOE in general. So excuse me being a little bit more than "cranky." We pay them, to play their game. They can do whatever they please with it. They own it. We're just "renting space" in the game, that's all. You can't tell them what to do unless you own company stock..... And even then......

I can't even comprehend that mentality.  That goes beyond Stockholm Syndrome.  Unbelievable...

 

 

 

What is wrong with his statement, 100% correct.  You don't comprehend his mentality.  What about his mentality?  He stated something correct, and you have issues with it?

You rented a movie, and half way through you disagree with the way the main actor treats his wife.  So you send an email demanding a change in script and refilming, or you sue Fox or Disney?  Try it.

You only pay $15 for a month, and you think you have the rights to decide on how the game should be developed?  Only $15 and you think you are god.  Go count your contributions again.  Its $15 and yes only a merge pitiful pathetic dismal $15.  Stop feeling big about it.

You are 100% entitled to feeling unhappy about the game.  Quit it, like many of us did.  That is all you can do.  You have no say in SoE or whatever the new department is now called.  They own the game, and you have the option to subscribe or quit.  Sorry that is all you can do.  As for owning Sony Corporation, dream on.

Actually I as a consumer do have a right to tell any company how to do their business.  I say it with my wallet.  If they want what is in it they will listen.  If they don't care, they won't.

Yes, I have quit it.  But just because I have quit it doesn't mean I have no right to criticize or commend them for their actions.  I choose to generally criticize.

As far as me owning Sony and  dream on, well if they want my money I do.

To prove this they keep giving me and others free play time with original subbed toons.  They must want me very badly.  How many current subscribers paid for their account time when I and others get to play for free?  How much of their money was given to me by Sony?

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Obee

 

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I'm bloody sick of hearing that "SOE can't do anything right" or whatever. And this is the probably fiftieth thread I've seen in two months or less blaming the Dev team or SOE in general. So excuse me being a little bit more than "cranky." We pay them, to play their game. They can do whatever they please with it. They own it. We're just "renting space" in the game, that's all. You can't tell them what to do unless you own company stock..... And even then......

I can't even comprehend that mentality.  That goes beyond Stockholm Syndrome.  Unbelievable...

 

 

 

What is wrong with his statement, 100% correct.  You don't comprehend his mentality.  What about his mentality?  He stated something correct, and you have issues with it?

You rented a movie, and half way through you disagree with the way the main actor treats his wife.  So you send an email demanding a change in script and refilming, or you sue Fox or Disney?  Try it.

You only pay $15 for a month, and you think you have the rights to decide on how the game should be developed?  Only $15 and you think you are god.  Go count your contributions again.  Its $15 and yes only a merge pitiful pathetic dismal $15.  Stop feeling big about it.

You are 100% entitled to feeling unhappy about the game.  Quit it, like many of us did.  That is all you can do.  You have no say in SoE or whatever the new department is now called.  They own the game, and you have the option to subscribe or quit.  Sorry that is all you can do.  As for owning Sony Corporation, dream on.

you are right i pay $15 a month for a game.

so i own a part in that game. and those working on the game better understand that they work for me and everyone who pays.

and in the case of swg we have demanded that they give us back our pre-cu system. we are there bosses and we should have more of a say into what go's into our game.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Obee

 

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I'm bloody sick of hearing that "SOE can't do anything right" or whatever. And this is the probably fiftieth thread I've seen in two months or less blaming the Dev team or SOE in general. So excuse me being a little bit more than "cranky." We pay them, to play their game. They can do whatever they please with it. They own it. We're just "renting space" in the game, that's all. You can't tell them what to do unless you own company stock..... And even then......

I can't even comprehend that mentality.  That goes beyond Stockholm Syndrome.  Unbelievable...

 

 

 

What is wrong with his statement, 100% correct.  You don't comprehend his mentality.  What about his mentality?  He stated something correct, and you have issues with it?

You rented a movie, and half way through you disagree with the way the main actor treats his wife.  So you send an email demanding a change in script and refilming, or you sue Fox or Disney?  Try it.

You only pay $15 for a month, and you think you have the rights to decide on how the game should be developed?  Only $15 and you think you are god.  Go count your contributions again.  Its $15 and yes only a merge pitiful pathetic dismal $15.  Stop feeling big about it.

You are 100% entitled to feeling unhappy about the game.  Quit it, like many of us did.  That is all you can do.  You have no say in SoE or whatever the new department is now called.  They own the game, and you have the option to subscribe or quit.  Sorry that is all you can do.  As for owning Sony Corporation, dream on.

Sweet, it's been a while since we had a visit from one of "Smed's Kids."

Subscribing players to MMOs do have a say.  Several reasons why as a matter 'o fact.

1) These CUSTOMERS devote alot of their free time playing these MMOs, progressing their avatars' wealth, stature, skills, etc.  This isn't like a movie where you view it once or twice then never bother with it again.  MMO play requires alot of time if you expect to go anywhere with it.

2) The players... the CUSTOMERS... in an MMO do feel attachment for what they've done, what they've acquired in-game.  You repeatedly destroy what your CUSTOMERS have accomplished in-game, then be ready to pay the price.

3) Your CUSTOMERS in an MMO do form a COMMUNITY.  Well, any decent MMO would have a cohesive, active player community.  Piss-poor MMOs destroy them... "Oh, hi SWG NGE!  Didn't see you come in!"... Anyways, a good MMO will have a good player community that utilizes word of mouth to bring in more players.  SWG once had that in the Pre-CU/NGE days, even though the game had serious faults back then.

4) Money... $15 U.S. / Month from an individual subscription **IS** a drop in the bucket.  Honestly, companies give 2 sh*ts about a single dissatisfied customer.  That is a FACT.  But when they start seeing large numbers of dissatisfaction, people not wishing their services or products anymore, etc... then it's a big problem.

Again, SWG once had a healthy 250k population, some say 300k, during the Pre-CU days.  There was an exodus after the CU hit.  But the NGE pissed off enough people that the majority beat feet and left.  It was like severing a Femoral Artery in terms of subscriptions.  And $$$.

MMOs are very different from alot of other forms of entertainment, especially within games.  It shows their accomplishments with their characters.  It is why you hear some MMO players, when they found an MMO that they like, they call it their "home."

Many players used to call SWG "home" despite some glaring faults it had.

But SOE felt that WE weren't needed and wanted some bigger, more enthusiastic crowd that would come in and replace us after we left due to their sweeping changes.

Well, we left.

And we never were replaced.

So, companies may never give a rat's a** about what we feel about them or their products, or what they represent.

But they do care about money, especially if many people no longer wish to do business with them.

Actually if SOE really cared about money they would roll back to Pre-CU, since they do not it shows they care more about the current subscriber then ever before in game.

Or it's Smedley caring about *his* job...

Originally posted by Gutboy

Actually if SOE really cared about money they would roll back to Pre-CU, since they do not it shows they care more about the current subscriber then ever before in game.

Their pride in conjunction with their stupidity at SOE **never** will allow them to roll back to Pre-NGE or Pre-CU systems.

Juding from your posts, you weren't around for the bad blood that brew up between SOE and it's own paying customers leading into the CU and the travesty of development called the NGE.  SOE went out of it's way on interviews to INSULT it's playerbase.

Since I haven't heard of SOE insulting it's current base of players lately, I'll concur they care about you guys more than they did us.

You know why?

Because you all are what's left on what was once a more lucrative money maker as far as SWG went.

Again, SWG once had 250k-300k players.  Not WoW numbers of millions upon millions, but healthy and respectable.  Those numbers are respectable then in 2003-2005, and they're respectable now.  But now?  Some guess that there's anywhere from 10k-50k left.

SOE pissed the rest of us off.  And they won't roll back because they have to swallow their pride.  It would be the final greatest admission of their absolute incompetence for having inflicted the NGE onto that game.

So, what few players they have left they better damn well take care of.

Because they sure as hell aren't getting that much more, especially with the MMO market becoming more competetive.

Especially since Lucasarts tapped BioWare's shoulder for a Star Wars MMO.

So yeah, they better care about you guys more than they did us.  Because you're a fragment, a legacy of what once was.

SOE gambled in that they felt they could replace us, but they failed.  Now they better settle for you guys, because they know they aren't getting anything more.

The final proof is that there hasn't been an Expansion Pack for SWG since late 2005.

Originally posted by Obee

 

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I'm bloody sick of hearing that "SOE can't do anything right" or whatever. And this is the probably fiftieth thread I've seen in two months or less blaming the Dev team or SOE in general. So excuse me being a little bit more than "cranky." We pay them, to play their game. They can do whatever they please with it. They own it. We're just "renting space" in the game, that's all. You can't tell them what to do unless you own company stock..... And even then......

I can't even comprehend that mentality.  That goes beyond Stockholm Syndrome.  Unbelievable...

 

 

Why wonder ? as a company with solid fascism structures over the years they pass their mentality over to their playerbase whats only gamers left there are these type that like that style.

This poster even like to get threatened like shit AND like to pay them even for hahahah

Mark his words, "they own it", "we rent the place", "do whatever they please" ..if he would rent a room full cockroaches he would not only sleep within them shut his mouth and pay the expensive bill but tell other customer to shut their mouth too and force them to sleep with the cockroaches too..LOL i sense a "great moral" there ...

Lets put things in perspective.

There is a current 3rd party hack ravishing PvP in the NGE right now.  Pre-Cu if you got caught using hacks/dupes and such the  like you would have been perma-banned. 

Now they are only giving a few days ban.  Why?  To me it is obvious they do not want to lose anymore subs.

Of course that is if you can actually get a GM to investigate the issue at all.

That thread is locked now, anyhow that's a bad model to follow for a company. If a cell phone company thought that way and changed the plans on their customers, I'm pretty sure a majority of them would cancel.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Obee

 

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I'm bloody sick of hearing that "SOE can't do anything right" or whatever. And this is the probably fiftieth thread I've seen in two months or less blaming the Dev team or SOE in general. So excuse me being a little bit more than "cranky." We pay them, to play their game. They can do whatever they please with it. They own it. We're just "renting space" in the game, that's all. You can't tell them what to do unless you own company stock..... And even then......

I can't even comprehend that mentality.  That goes beyond Stockholm Syndrome.  Unbelievable...

 

 

 

What is wrong with his statement, 100% correct.  You don't comprehend his mentality.  What about his mentality?  He stated something correct, and you have issues with it?

You rented a movie, and half way through you disagree with the way the main actor treats his wife.  So you send an email demanding a change in script and refilming, or you sue Fox or Disney?  Try it.

You only pay $15 for a month, and you think you have the rights to decide on how the game should be developed?  Only $15 and you think you are god.  Go count your contributions again.  Its $15 and yes only a merge pitiful pathetic dismal $15.  Stop feeling big about it.

You are 100% entitled to feeling unhappy about the game.  Quit it, like many of us did.  That is all you can do.  You have no say in SoE or whatever the new department is now called.  They own the game, and you have the option to subscribe or quit.  Sorry that is all you can do.  As for owning Sony Corporation, dream on.

It has nothing to do with thinking "you are god", it has to do with the mentality that you should accept anything the developers do and shut up.  That is just flat out asinine, and there is no logical defense of that mentality.

Originally posted by Warmaker

Originally posted by Gutboy

Actually if SOE really cared about money they would roll back to Pre-CU, since they do not it shows they care more about the current subscriber then ever before in game.

 

Since I haven't heard of SOE insulting it's current base of players lately, I'll concur they care about you guys more than they did us.

Blixtev regularly includes snide comments toward the players in his posts.  Deadmeat liked to take backhand swipes at the playerbase also and on a few occasions basically said the players were morons.

With the change in SOE producers, the devs don't post as much as they did a few months ago.  That is likely the main reason they aren't insulting the playerbase as much as before.  I don't think it is so much that they care more about the current players, it is that they can't afford to lose too many more of them without LEC shutting the game down.

Originally posted by Gutboy

Actually if SOE really cared about money they would roll back to Pre-CU, since they do not it shows they care more about the current subscriber then ever before in game.

I agree, and since I don't subscribe to the "it's pride pride all about pride!" view (at least on SOE's part, since I think they really are "all about the money"), this is one of the strongest underpinnings to my belief that such a decision is completely out of SOE's hands. They couldn't (ie. are not allowed to) do a roll-back or classic server if they wanted to.

Originally posted by Gutboy

Actually if SOE really cared about money they would roll back to Pre-CU, since they do not it shows they care more about the current subscriber then ever before in game.

The fact that they are too stubborn to admit they were wrong doesn't mean they care about you.

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Originally posted by Warmaker

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Originally posted by Gutboy

Actually if SOE really cared about money they would roll back to Pre-CU, since they do not it shows they care more about the current subscriber then ever before in game.

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Since I haven't heard of SOE insulting it's current base of players lately, I'll concur they care about you guys more than they did us.

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Blixtev regularly includes snide comments toward the players in his posts.  Deadmeat liked to take backhand swipes at the playerbase also and on a few occasions basically said the players were morons.
With the change in SOE producers, the devs don't post as much as they did a few months ago.  That is likely the main reason they aren't insulting the playerbase as much as before.  I don't think it is so much that they care more about the current players, it is that they can't afford to lose too many more of them without LEC shutting the game down.
 
 

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Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Obee

 

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I'm bloody sick of hearing that "SOE can't do anything right" or whatever. And this is the probably fiftieth thread I've seen in two months or less blaming the Dev team or SOE in general. So excuse me being a little bit more than "cranky." We pay them, to play their game. They can do whatever they please with it. They own it. We're just "renting space" in the game, that's all. You can't tell them what to do unless you own company stock..... And even then......

I can't even comprehend that mentality.  That goes beyond Stockholm Syndrome.  Unbelievable...

 

 

 

What is wrong with his statement, 100% correct.  You don't comprehend his mentality.  What about his mentality?  He stated something correct, and you have issues with it?

You rented a movie, and half way through you disagree with the way the main actor treats his wife.  So you send an email demanding a change in script and refilming, or you sue Fox or Disney?  Try it.

You only pay $15 for a month, and you think you have the rights to decide on how the game should be developed?  Only $15 and you think you are god.  Go count your contributions again.  Its $15 and yes only a merge pitiful pathetic dismal $15.  Stop feeling big about it.

You are 100% entitled to feeling unhappy about the game.  Quit it, like many of us did.  That is all you can do.  You have no say in SoE or whatever the new department is now called.  They own the game, and you have the option to subscribe or quit.  Sorry that is all you can do.  As for owning Sony Corporation, dream on.

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where i come from if i dont like a movie i RENT i bring it back within 2 hours of rental and i get a full refund (or at least a creditletting me rent another movie)

SOE does not give FULL refund, not even a SOE credit.

what bothered me with the statement is "We pay them, to play their game. They can do whatever they please with it"

"we pay them" and "they can do whatever they please" should never be in the same sentence. not because i pay to get a mustang they should do whatever they please and give me a toyota. that is just very bad business, and whoever does that kind of business should hear about it. assume the consequences of your actions.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Obee

 

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I'm bloody sick of hearing that "SOE can't do anything right" or whatever. And this is the probably fiftieth thread I've seen in two months or less blaming the Dev team or SOE in general. So excuse me being a little bit more than "cranky." We pay them, to play their game. They can do whatever they please with it. They own it. We're just "renting space" in the game, that's all. You can't tell them what to do unless you own company stock..... And even then......

I can't even comprehend that mentality.  That goes beyond Stockholm Syndrome.  Unbelievable...

 

 

 

What is wrong with his statement, 100% correct.  You don't comprehend his mentality.  What about his mentality?  He stated something correct, and you have issues with it?

You rented a movie, and half way through you disagree with the way the main actor treats his wife.  So you send an email demanding a change in script and refilming, or you sue Fox or Disney?  Try it.

You only pay $15 for a month, and you think you have the rights to decide on how the game should be developed?  Only $15 and you think you are god.  Go count your contributions again.  Its $15 and yes only a merge pitiful pathetic dismal $15.  Stop feeling big about it.

You are 100% entitled to feeling unhappy about the game.  Quit it, like many of us did.  That is all you can do.  You have no say in SoE or whatever the new department is now called.  They own the game, and you have the option to subscribe or quit.  Sorry that is all you can do.  As for owning Sony Corporation, dream on.

Customers surely don't think they're god.  They're accused of this, however, when they say simple things like, "please provide us the service you advertised," or "please provide a service that functions correctly," or "please follow through on the broken things that you said you would fix." 
 

Customers of SOE have said exactly those things, and the response has often been, "who do you think you are god?"  This attitude on the part of SOE and/or its defenders only serves to highlight the incredible disconnect between this service provider and its customers.

It is an attitude of hostile defensiveness that makes outrageous accusations of entitlement that most players do not in fact possess.

I do not want to dictate to SOE how to develop their game, believe it or not, and I never did.  When asked for feedback specifically by John Smedley, I provided it.  Did that make me god?  Of course it didn't.

I also expected that when SOE advertised things like profession revamps, they would in fact provide profession revamps to their paying customers.  These paying customers got all of the professions deleted instead.  Does complaining about that make someone out to claim godhood?  Of course it doesn't.

As for the movie analogy.  I think a better one would be renting Return of the Jedi, and getting home to find that you had been given the Ewok Christmas Special, and on top of the mix up, it didn't even work.

Posters like Obee (I'm guessing, correct me if I'm wrong) and myself would say, "hey, I paid for Return of the Jedi, and you gave me the Ewok Christmas Special, and the disk is defective, please give me what I paid for, or my money back."  That is exactly what SWG customers have been saying for years about things like the NGE.  SOE's answer has been a string of hostile defensiveness that attempts, wrongly, to make badly mistreated customers out to be malcontents with delusions of godhood.  So, on top of advertising one service, then providing another, and on top of that service being broken, SOE and its defenders have then insulted the very customers they already mistreated.  And yet, many still wonder why people avoid them and their products like they were a computer virus. 

People are going to provide accurate feedback about SOE's poor management of this MMO.  If you don't like the accurate feedback, you can berate the messenger I suppose, to little avail, or address the very real problems people are talking about.  I suppose if you deny the problematic history of this game, you're only left with options that are going to make a bad situation worse.  That's how denial works.

As a side note I have been playing since June 26th 2003 without a break other than 2 months in Dec 2005/Jan 2006. So I know exactly what has happened in game.

SOE knows that even if they did a rollback to Nov 14th 2005 they would not bring back players, and hey would then have to convert all the content since then to work in CU, it's not going to happen ever. The NGE has been in place longer than the pre-cu and CU combined.