So heres how it goes, we go to the middle room waiting for their charge, they charge, we get stomped back and it becomes hell after that. Why the hell are destruction so hard?!

Umm...not sure, but the Engineer is a bit weak in DPS. Mythic should tweak them after they get the major issues taken care of.

I noticed the engineer cant compete like the squig can

I am not sure what the deal is but all I know is I played that scenerio with my archmage and will never again.  We got beat so bad I don't even know what happened.  Its a terrible map.

Why do you keep getting poor fighters in your scenarios.

I'm leaning more towards, why are the bad guys better at healing, or more like they heal.

I've only done a few of the dwarf scenarios, but the win: loss ratio was pretty good, and a couple times we absolutely creamed chaos, but then they didn't have anyone healing them.

My friend started with a dps class, then switched to a dwarf healer.  I wish more healers were like him, he actually tries to put himself at the top for healing, and at the bottom for number of deaths. 

I've also noticed a lot of guys that ignore enemy healers.  I want to guage out my eye as I die trying to kill the healer and then get to watch the stooge beat on the guy that healer keeps healing.  It's even worse when I see 2 or three guys doing it. 

Fight on top of the flag.  Good lord why is this so hard.  I hate seeing everyone in my team stop short and wait for the enemy to come into range.  While everyone is trying to kill everything in sight, all the chaos healers are standing on the flag capping it.  Even if you win the fight they still get points for the minute the flag was under thier control.  Always push to the flag not just before it.

Tank
Heal
Kill healers
Fight on flags
If we start doing these things we'll actuall start to win more.  I promise.

Good luck killing the healers with all the black orcs and chosen stomping your face in, and the lack of tanks order side isen't going to go away any time soon.

Really? So far with my dawrf in the dwarven scenario I'm sitting at 12-2

Originally posted by Newhopes

Good luck killing the healers with all the black orcs and chosen stomping your face in, and the lack of tanks order side isen't going to go away any time soon.

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Root of the problem

Originally posted by honkeytonkma

So heres how it goes, we go to the middle room waiting for their charge, they charge, we get stomped back and it becomes hell after that. Why the hell are destruction so hard?!

very strange cuz i play destruction and always lose that scenario lol

Originally posted by honkeytonkma

I noticed the engineer cant compete like the squig can

Two words for you.... Low Level.

You can't compare anything yet... your arsenal of skills is severely lacking under 20. 

Originally posted by Magsato

Originally posted by Newhopes

Good luck killing the healers with all the black orcs and chosen stomping your face in, and the lack of tanks order side isen't going to go away any time soon.

 

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Root of the problem

This is what happens when everyone who wants to be an orc, makes an orc, and plays an orc.

Black Orcs are tough opponents, especially when they form a literal wall and start running at you.

I've lost this scenario many times as destruction from one thing... Dwarf healers. They heal way too much. When the rune priest and out tank AND out dps a black ork... What do you do? Not to mention when you have half a team of them, you just can't compete.

Come to ungrim.  We tier one dwarf almost every time, and it pops in less then 5 minutes on average.

In Tier 1 scenario as a Stunty Runepriest, if you are running for your life from a Black Orc then YOU are doing something wrong. Unless you're naked he won't be able to kill you and you should still be able to heal your teammates.

If you're losing every match I'd say find new teammates, Order has more snares than Destruction has snare breakers USE THEM.  If you're getting stomped you need to look around and say why aren't my Ironbreakers using their knockdown? Black Orcs don't get a knockdown until Rank 18....

Originally posted by honkeytonkma

I noticed the engineer cant compete like the squig can

Engineers become down right annoying at lvl 11'ish.  They do have DPS; however, their dps is consistent and not burst.  The real gem to the engineer class (and this is from a destro player who has hell killing them), is that their survivability sky rockets in the hands of the right player.  1 v 1 against and engi is one of the worst match up I run into if they are any good.  Give the class a chance.  Most classes utterly suck at lower levels.  This can be said for most long range classes that aren't all out dps.  You think an engineer sucks?  HA!  Try playing a low level destro magus.  You'll wonder what the devs were doing til you get to lvl 11 - 14 ish.

Originally posted by Riho06

In Tier 1 scenario as a Stunty Runepriest, if you are running for your life from a Black Orc then YOU are doing something wrong. Unless you're naked he won't be able to kill you and you should still be able to heal your teammates.

 

If you're losing every match I'd say find new teammates, Order has more snares than Destruction has snare breakers USE THEM.  If you're getting stomped you need to look around and say why aren't my Ironbreakers using their knockdown? Black Orcs don't get a knockdown until Rank 18....

1 BO isen't a problem 4-5 are, every game i've played its just a wall of Bo and CH who run stright past the 1 or if your lucky 2 order tanks into the squishys the game then just goes down hill after that.

Originally posted by honkeytonkma

So heres how it goes, we go to the middle room waiting for their charge, they charge, we get stomped back and it becomes hell after that. Why the hell are destruction so hard?!

There can be a number of reasons why you lose, but most likely it was just a bad day for you.  We've all had those before where it feels like you ALWAYS lose, but honestly, that is rarely ever the case.

To be honest, order should always win the T1 greenskin/dwarf secenario, if you have a couple of runepriest.  In the early stages, Runepriest completely dominate shaman.  All you need is a group of of smart ironbreakers to rush the flags and some smart healers to keep them up.  I won this scenario 9/10 when I played my runepriest and it was always because runepriest are just such strong healers and really destruction doesn't have the abilities they get later to shut that healing down in T1.

Just make sure you fight ON the flag....people tend to act retarded and think they can move anywhere they want.  Also, make sure your melee dps (escpecially Ironbreakers) rush the enemy.  If they are ever running away, then they aren't doing their job well. 

Originally posted by TheSheikh

This is what happens when everyone who wants to be an orc, makes an orc, and plays an orc.

Black Orcs are tough opponents, especially when they form a literal wall and start running at you.

     Eh no one wants to play the dwarves they are butt ugly.....

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by honkeytonkma

So heres how it goes, we go to the middle room waiting for their charge, they charge, we get stomped back and it becomes hell after that. Why the hell are destruction so hard?!

 

There can be a number of reasons why you lose, but most likely it was just a bad day for you.  We've all had those before where it feels like you ALWAYS lose, but honestly, that is rarely ever the case.

To be honest, order should always win the T1 greenskin/dwarf secenario, if you have a couple of runepriest.  In the early stages, Runepriest completely dominate shaman.  All you need is a group of of smart ironbreakers to rush the flags and some smart healers to keep them up.  I won this scenario 9/10 when I played my runepriest and it was always because runepriest are just such strong healers and really destruction doesn't have the abilities they get later to shut that healing down in T1.

Just make sure you fight ON the flag....people tend to act retarded and think they can move anywhere they want.  Also, make sure your melee dps (escpecially Ironbreakers) rush the enemy.  If they are ever running away, then they aren't doing their job well. 

 

That all well and good but there one hole in your plan the complete lack of IBs ,the best ratio i've faced has been 2 IBs ver 3 BO and a CH even in that game they just run past the IBs into the squishys.

Lack of tanks and fighting 3 to 1 doesn't help at all.