Yea even people with sub don't desire to log in to that crap, have 2 rl who wished to start again and made the error to resub, now they don't login anymore.

Considering how old the game and codes is, 3K cap per server might be possible but unrealistic. I remember when the Jedi revamp for publish 8-9 was first put on TC, one of the devs logged into TC even said there was over 5K people logged on TC (and it showed either "very heavy" or "extremely heavy") but perhaps TC is different from the 25 live servers, but whatever, let's keep on speculating shall we? :P

i've been saying for months it was under 5k

another win for us vets what does this make it now? i lost count all i know is us vets are leading the devs and fanboi and fanbots by about 10 million wins.

what a great year the nge will go away soon. mccain will be our new leader and us vets will have more win.

Originally posted by Suvroc

I think Obraik is pretty close to what the capacity of a max server is.

Just about there.  The original capacity was 3,500* (when numbers, not words were used for server populations), but there were server upgrades which bumped the total up some more.  I do not remember the new number exactly, but I think it was 1,000.  So ~4,500 is the top limit, unless there has been some new upgrades since.

Just for clarity, we're talking about players playing the game and not total subscribers, correct? 

Post I made the other day works in here too....

Here's the problem with the sub numbers debate the way it's usually played out on these forums. People say it's got a ridiculously low number, others try to counter that by saying it's got a ridiculously high number, both of those 2 types of posters here are probably wrong.

The only way that the numbers make any difference are when they impede the average player from getting the most out of the game, SOE have added group content exclusively now for 2 1/2 years, as a result you need a group to achieve anything in-game. Add in that they've made group dynamics work just like any other mmo by requiring the usual tank,healer,dps mix and that lessens your options when forming a group as well. It's clear that the numbers actively playing SWG aren't sufficient on most servers for people to get anything done, however unlike the speculation on subscriber numbers this can be proved. Proof enough is the fact that there's a multiple page thread requesting server mergers/population fixes at anytime on the front page of the gameplay discussion board. That's current subscribers airing their dissatisfaction that the playerbase is too small on most servers.
 

Originally posted by Pale_Fire

Just for clarity, we're talking about players playing the game and not total subscribers, correct? 

Correct.  I put my estimate (probably on the high end) at around 20k for players.  Since many people have multiple accounts the actual sub numbers is probably around 30k.

Originally posted by Suvroc

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Obee

5000 is way over the actual numbers for heavy.  Even during the pre-CU, when Bria was crashing due to overpopulation, 5000 was more than heavy.  IIRC, pre-CU, 7500 was considered "Full" (down from the intial claim that the servers could hold up to 10, 000 players pre-release).  The amount of players per label was reduced twice that SOE had admitted to (once after the free Bria to any other server transfers pre-CU, due to overpopulation, and once after some dismal prime time Friday night numbers were leaked post NGE), and likely a couple more times that they haven't.  The pre-CU change was due to the servers not being able to handle as many people as they had thought the could, and the post NGE change was due to 'technical reasons'.

 

Pretty sure it was announced/leaked sometime pre-cu that the max a server could hold was 3k...

 

Then my estimates would probably be a little lower.  I was rounding up to give swg the benefit of the doubt.  What do you think of my estimates, between 10k and 20k players with around 30k subs?

 

I think this is a fairly reasonable estimate.

I think Obraik is pretty close to what the capacity of a max server is. After making that assumption it's easy to use logic to determine the number of players currently online. The only difficult part is trying to figure out the ratio of players logged in to players offline.

Like I said, I tried to base my estimates using logical methods.  Its pretty easy to guess how many people are still playing when you know the limits of servers and the actual server loads.  It doesn't take a genius to know that with only 3 to 5 servers sporadically hitting heavy, regardless of whether its 5k or 3k or whatever, that there is no way theres anywhere near some of the numbers being thrown out by the fanboys, like 50k or 100k.  Couple this with all the posts asking for server merges and a clear picture emerges of how far swg has fallen.

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by Pale_Fire

Just for clarity, we're talking about players playing the game and not total subscribers, correct? 

 

Correct.  I put my estimate (probably on the high end) at around 20k for players.  Since many people have multiple accounts the actual sub numbers is probably around 30k.

I admit I could be completely wrong, but I think you're underestimating the total subscribers based on your logic.  I've read a number of times that at any given time, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the subscriber base is actually playing. 

So, if you're estimating 20k players on at peak times, you're probably talking about 60k -80k total subscribers.  I don't play SWG anymore (another NGE Exile), so I'm not trying to pump the game up.  I will say that 80k subs is pretty pathetic for this IP, considering it's successful beginning. 

Anyway, I could be wrong.  Just my thoughts.

Originally posted by Pale_Fire

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by Pale_Fire

Just for clarity, we're talking about players playing the game and not total subscribers, correct? 

 

Correct.  I put my estimate (probably on the high end) at around 20k for players.  Since many people have multiple accounts the actual sub numbers is probably around 30k.

 

I admit I could be completely wrong, but I think you're underestimating the total subscribers based on your logic.  I've read a number of times that at any given time, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the subscriber base is actually playing. 

So, if you're estimating 20k players on at peak times, you're probably talking about 60k -80k total subscribers.  I don't play SWG anymore (another NGE Exile), so I'm not trying to pump the game up.  I will say that 80k subs is pretty pathetic for this IP, considering it's successful beginning. 

Anyway, I could be wrong.  Just my thoughts.

Not players on at peak times.  Players total.

World of Warcraft has 5 million subscribers outside Asia. Just think on that number for a little while, five million.

Is it really respectable for a Star Wars mmo to have 100,000? 200,000? half a million?

We're talking about tthe biggest IP in entertainment history here versus a game that ripped off tabletop game played by nerds.

SOE = failed, even when SWG was at it's peak, 350k subscribers.... it's utterly pathetic.

250k-350k was excellent MMO subscriber numbers pre-WoW though.

Originally posted by Valeran

250k-350k was excellent MMO subscriber numbers pre-WoW though.

EQ/EQ2 hit like 400k, that's an unknown unique IP, and you think a Star Wars game reaping 350k was excellent?

It's still only half the number of people that were actively playing JK multiplayer at the time though.

350k was the starting blobk that should have been increased, instead SOE hit the "Do not push" red button, not once but twice and effectively killed any chance the game ever had of increasing it's subscribers.

Originally posted by Pale_Fire

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by Pale_Fire

Just for clarity, we're talking about players playing the game and not total subscribers, correct? 

 

Correct.  I put my estimate (probably on the high end) at around 20k for players.  Since many people have multiple accounts the actual sub numbers is probably around 30k.

 

I admit I could be completely wrong, but I think you're underestimating the total subscribers based on your logic.  I've read a number of times that at any given time, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the subscriber base is actually playing. 

So, if you're estimating 20k players on at peak times, you're probably talking about 60k -80k total subscribers.  I don't play SWG anymore (another NGE Exile), so I'm not trying to pump the game up.  I will say that 80k subs is pretty pathetic for this IP, considering it's successful beginning. 

Anyway, I could be wrong.  Just my thoughts.

I still have an active account although I rarely logon. I would find it very hard to believe that the game has anywhere near 80k players. I would lean more towards 30k, maybe less.

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by Valeran

250k-350k was excellent MMO subscriber numbers pre-WoW though.

 

EQ/EQ2 hit like 400k, that's an unknown unique IP, and you think a Star Wars game reaping 350k was excellent?

It's still only half the number of people that were actively playing JK multiplayer at the time though.

350k was the starting blobk that should have been increased, instead SOE hit the "Do not push" red button, not once but twice and effectively killed any chance the game ever had of increasing it's subscribers.

At the time that SWG had ~250k players, that was considered excellent. Times have changed. But if the bugs had been worked out and more Star Wars related content added, the game would have done much better IMHO.

Originally posted by EbenEmael

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by Valeran

250k-350k was excellent MMO subscriber numbers pre-WoW though.

 

EQ/EQ2 hit like 400k, that's an unknown unique IP, and you think a Star Wars game reaping 350k was excellent?

It's still only half the number of people that were actively playing JK multiplayer at the time though.

350k was the starting blobk that should have been increased, instead SOE hit the "Do not push" red button, not once but twice and effectively killed any chance the game ever had of increasing it's subscribers.

At the time that SWG had ~250k players, that was considered excellent. Times have changed. But if the bugs had been worked out and more Star Wars related content added, the game would have done much better IMHO.

Well maybe you consider it excellent, me, as a Star Wars fan, seeing an unknown game with swords and sorcery shit outselling it.... well it makes me laugh frankly.

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by EbenEmael

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by Valeran

250k-350k was excellent MMO subscriber numbers pre-WoW though.

 

EQ/EQ2 hit like 400k, that's an unknown unique IP, and you think a Star Wars game reaping 350k was excellent?

It's still only half the number of people that were actively playing JK multiplayer at the time though.

350k was the starting blobk that should have been increased, instead SOE hit the "Do not push" red button, not once but twice and effectively killed any chance the game ever had of increasing it's subscribers.

At the time that SWG had ~250k players, that was considered excellent. Times have changed. But if the bugs had been worked out and more Star Wars related content added, the game would have done much better IMHO.

 

Well maybe you consider it excellent, me, as a Star Wars fan, seeing an unknown game with swords and sorcery shit outselling it.... well it makes me laugh frankly.

There is an old saying...one man's trash is another man's treasure...

I understand your point but truly pre-WoW SWG sub numbers were quite good in the non Asian MMO industry.

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Originally posted by Valeran
I understand your point but truly pre-WoW SWG sub numbers were quite good in the non Asian MMO industry.

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That's part of why people said the reasoning behind the CU and the NGE were greed by SOE wanting more, except they got exactly the opposite.

Originally posted by Valeran

250k-350k was excellent MMO subscriber numbers pre-WoW though.

     The game servers could only handle about 3000 people, and 5million or 500k would not have mattered to a server population, Im one of the people that remembers the wait to even get on a server during the first few months.    A sandbox like SWG cant handle super pops, none can actually, AOC proved that higher the graphics or higher the population you need to instance the server even more.     In AOC thier can be 2000 people in one spot but you wont see them.      

I think SOE did the best they could with the game design.    If you look at the server numbers today, they are not based on 3000, it has been changed since the Nge.     We currently tried to base numbers off the GW officers.   SWG has about 10k officers, we estimate that thier are about 3 X to officers, crafters, ents, and pilots.    

The current actual number of players can be ranged from 20-30k people, with about 100k accounts.