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9/20/08 10:20:31 AM#61
Originally posted by mike470
lol QFT. It'll hit them sooner or later that WAR is nothing special..
I dont really get into this kind of post for a reason, but today I am in a good mood and cant resist it. IMHO That no MMO is SPECIAL, NOT SPECIAL at ALL. What make the MMo truely special is how it tickles the cockles of your heart when you play it. So if it tickles you then its Special and its for you, if it doesnt then you dont like it (or hate it). And to the Lovers your a TROLL. If you hate it then the ones it tickles become a FANBOY. So, in closing jusr remember that its all opinions, and you know what they say about opinions. |
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9/20/08 10:23:10 AM#62
WAR is a little better than WoW because it places more emphasis on PvP. It's still very linear, and the 2 factions thing, hence it gets labeled a WoW clone. It looks like 2-3 months of fun but i really can't see it becoming a long term success because it's just going to get old fighting the same races and territories over and over. Planetside comes to mind. |
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9/20/08 10:42:19 AM#63
Originally posted by mike470
lol QFT. It'll hit them sooner or later that WAR is nothing special..
Mike470 provides an example of the kind of crap people don't go for - in any MMO's forums. A pointless troll post that adds nothing to the topic, but only serves to bash the game because the poster doesn't personally like it. As to the OP's question... That could easily be turned around to question the opposite side... Why aren't people allowed to *like* the game without being labeled "fanbois" by some of those who don't? I'd say the answer is the same in both situations. Some people are either too insecure and their opinions too fragile to accept any differing point-of-view. Or they're too full of themselves and self-important to acknowledge that an opinion different from theirs could ever be just as valid. |
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9/20/08 10:55:18 AM#64
Originally posted by mike470
When did I say you had to like it? I didn't, but the OP still felt he needed to make this post whining about whiners, or is it whining about people who whine about whiners... Either way it has nothing to do with the game, and this post helps to make these forums what they are known for in being more about petty crap than anything constructive about the game.
Explaining why you didn't like a game isn't 'petty crap'; it is the point of public forums: to express one's opinion. Don't agree with this opinion? Fine, argue about it. Pretty crap and well thought out reasoning have big differences. Just because you don't agree with my opinion doesn't make it 'petty crap' it means it is (obviously) a controversial issue; which could be led on with discussion. I will voice my opinion, you will voice your opinion; none of which are petty crap.
Oh, spare us the phony indignation. You've made the following statement in this very same thread... That is not merely voicing your opinion on why you don't like the game. That is not respecting the opinion of those who do. You're basically implying that somehow those who enjoy it are "mistaken" and will eventually realize it. You are trolling the game and those who play it, because you personally don't like it.
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9/20/08 10:59:02 AM#65
Originally posted by Zertyr
this is just the problem, I played WAR for a long time now and I would only rate it as a 6 tops atm. And that is based on game functionality, customer support and overall enjoyment of the game. But as soon as someone posts anything negative you get answers like you post here, you seem to think your "facts" overrides everyone elses facts. And what are these facts you talk about? its just a word until you put meaning to it. Is the fact that one of the Mythic guys drive a black care? sure, that is prolly true. But you need to open your eyes and understand your facts are not the same facts others have. This is the main issue with the fanboi community that builds up usually, they only see everything from their own narrow views.
WAR will be great, still far from it atm due to issues and so on, but i am sure it will be good.
The facts other people have are flat out wrong. I'm sorry, but people who say the graphics are = and or worse then wow, are flat out wrong, it's not just a oh it's just his opinion thing. Then theres people who complain about the class names being "renamed to be cool" compared to wow classes. It goes on and on.
Being minformed=/=valid opinion
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9/20/08 11:17:48 AM#66
Originally posted by Malall Hmm..i have checked your posts going back the last 4 months and some would call you an AOC troll. Check bladins post from the AOC forums and you will find he is nothing but a troll as well. People in glass houses should not throw stones.
Except that i've made 1 post in the aoc forum in the past 2 months. Heck even to quote the "trolling" i did for AoC -For me i posted a negative thread here because i truely do like the game. I just hate how much of a failure the devs are =/.- was one of my posts. here's basically my "why i'm upset with AoC post" http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/183205/page/1 Is that what it takes to be a troll? In fact most of my AoC posts.. were in my own topic!
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9/20/08 11:45:17 AM#67
People are allowed their opinions, problem is alot of the comments posted on this forum are not honest opinions from people who have tried it and simply disliked it, but people who just WANT it to fail so that it doesnt compete with thier game. They hope the bad press helps that happen. |
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whisperwynd
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Joined: 2/22/06
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9/20/08 12:04:58 PM#68
The funny thing is, having an opinion is a right for most of the free world. Thank goodness for that. However, there many kinds of opinions out there, based on fact (and that is totally subjective as it is), feeling (personal and can not be argued since they are rooted in our psyche), objectively constructive, unfairly biased, etc. etc. etc. Point being, unless the people in the debate are there for a reasonable discussion...there's no winning ground, as it will invariably (like most threads here) degenerate into name calling and assinine behavior. Even I am no exception to the rule, We all want to share convos and opinions, unfortunately, here isn't the best place for it, just the "My game can beat your game cuz yours suck and you're a nub for saying otherwise." Sad, but after a few posts after mine, the truth will be self-evident. |
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9/20/08 2:56:55 PM#69
Originally posted by fordzilla
case in point. some want this game to be a hit so bad they trample anyone who says different. Agreed, I told a few people that I'm going to wait until 'the coast is clear,' before looking at WAR, so to speak, and I get called racial slurs and threatened to be murdered...? This was on another forum though. Alas, all fanboys are this way. Ugh. Like I said, you like WAR? Great! Don't like it? Great! Don't crap yourself if somebody thinks otherwise, though. |
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9/20/08 3:04:08 PM#70
I think most war fans would agree that this game isnt for everyone. If you dont like pvp or RvR your not going to like this game. The problem is that a lot of other game fanboi's constatly harp on insignificant aspects of the game, spread misinformation, or just come to quick conclusion that its a wow clone after a day or two of play. Its been hard pressed to find a critical review that goes along the lines of "its sound wasnt too good, its graphics where decent but not ground breaking, and overall the RvR just wasnt for me" Instead you get reviews that go along the lines of " i played for 3hours and it sucfked, horrible graphics, a dead community, terrible and slow gameplay, its just like wow only worse" Now the flame bait reviews are always going to get responses. No one is saying you cant dislike warhammer, i think the flames start when you give a review that is...well inaccurate, or state that since you didnt like it that everyone else should avoid the game like the plague. I think once we start getting casual players hitting endgame your going to start seeing some real reviews. Most of the reviews you see are for players who got to 20 and under on one character, and most often by someone who is under level 5. |
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mike470
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Joined: 2/11/08
"We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand" - Randy Pausch |
9/20/08 3:48:34 PM#71
Originally posted by WSIMike
Explaining why you didn't like a game isn't 'petty crap'; it is the point of public forums: to express one's opinion. Don't agree with this opinion? Fine, argue about it. Pretty crap and well thought out reasoning have big differences. Just because you don't agree with my opinion doesn't make it 'petty crap' it means it is (obviously) a controversial issue; which could be led on with discussion. I will voice my opinion, you will voice your opinion; none of which are petty crap.
Oh, spare us the phony indignation. You've made the following statement in this very same thread... That is not merely voicing your opinion on why you don't like the game. That is not respecting the opinion of those who do. You're basically implying that somehow those who enjoy it are "mistaken" and will eventually realize it. You are trolling the game and those who play it, because you personally don't like it.
I was pointing at the people who act like WAR is the next great game. I never said they were mistaken for liking it, it's a game and if they have fun then fine, but WAR isn't anything unique or special; that is my view. WAR is nothing unique or original; but if people like games like WAR then fine. I stand by my statement that WAR is nothing special.
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9/20/08 3:48:35 PM#72
the thing is, ppl are stupid. That's why forums and internet and MMOs are full of trash. |
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9/20/08 3:51:17 PM#73
Originally posted by mike470
Explaining why you didn't like a game isn't 'petty crap'; it is the point of public forums: to express one's opinion. Don't agree with this opinion? Fine, argue about it. Pretty crap and well thought out reasoning have big differences. Just because you don't agree with my opinion doesn't make it 'petty crap' it means it is (obviously) a controversial issue; which could be led on with discussion. I will voice my opinion, you will voice your opinion; none of which are petty crap.
Oh, spare us the phony indignation. You've made the following statement in this very same thread... That is not merely voicing your opinion on why you don't like the game. That is not respecting the opinion of those who do. You're basically implying that somehow those who enjoy it are "mistaken" and will eventually realize it. You are trolling the game and those who play it, because you personally don't like it.
I was pointing at the people who act like WAR is the next great game. I never said they were mistaken for liking it, it's a game and if they have fun then fine, but WAR isn't anything unique or special; that is my view. WAR is nothing unique or original; but if people like games like WAR then fine. I stand by my statement that WAR is nothing special.
Well WAR is new to bored WOW players and hence it is new. Cheers " Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. " Once An Addict Always An Addict . |
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9/20/08 4:41:59 PM#74
Originally posted by mike470
Explaining why you didn't like a game isn't 'petty crap'; it is the point of public forums: to express one's opinion. Don't agree with this opinion? Fine, argue about it. Pretty crap and well thought out reasoning have big differences. Just because you don't agree with my opinion doesn't make it 'petty crap' it means it is (obviously) a controversial issue; which could be led on with discussion. I will voice my opinion, you will voice your opinion; none of which are petty crap.
Oh, spare us the phony indignation. You've made the following statement in this very same thread... That is not merely voicing your opinion on why you don't like the game. That is not respecting the opinion of those who do. You're basically implying that somehow those who enjoy it are "mistaken" and will eventually realize it. You are trolling the game and those who play it, because you personally don't like it.
I was pointing at the people who act like WAR is the next great game. I never said they were mistaken for liking it, it's a game and if they have fun then fine, but WAR isn't anything unique or special; that is my view. WAR is nothing unique or original; but if people like games like WAR then fine. I stand by my statement that WAR is nothing special.
Honest question, what mmorpg coming in the next 4 years is? Thats right none.
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mike470
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Joined: 2/11/08
"We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand" - Randy Pausch |
9/20/08 5:14:32 PM#75
Originally posted by Bladin
Oh, spare us the phony indignation. You've made the following statement in this very same thread... That is not merely voicing your opinion on why you don't like the game. That is not respecting the opinion of those who do. You're basically implying that somehow those who enjoy it are "mistaken" and will eventually realize it. You are trolling the game and those who play it, because you personally don't like it.
I was pointing at the people who act like WAR is the next great game. I never said they were mistaken for liking it, it's a game and if they have fun then fine, but WAR isn't anything unique or special; that is my view. WAR is nothing unique or original; but if people like games like WAR then fine. I stand by my statement that WAR is nothing special.
Honest question, what mmorpg coming in the next 4 years is? Thats right none.
-Citadel of Sorcery. -The Chronicles of Spellborn (take a look at combat system) -Darkfall (pretending it releases) -APB -Huxley I'm sure there are a few others but none I can think of at the moment. __________________________________________________ |
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9/20/08 6:44:26 PM#76
Originally posted by mike470
Oh, spare us the phony indignation. You've made the following statement in this very same thread... That is not merely voicing your opinion on why you don't like the game. That is not respecting the opinion of those who do. You're basically implying that somehow those who enjoy it are "mistaken" and will eventually realize it. You are trolling the game and those who play it, because you personally don't like it.
I was pointing at the people who act like WAR is the next great game. I never said they were mistaken for liking it, it's a game and if they have fun then fine, but WAR isn't anything unique or special; that is my view. WAR is nothing unique or original; but if people like games like WAR then fine. I stand by my statement that WAR is nothing special.
Honest question, what mmorpg coming in the next 4 years is? Thats right none.
-Citadel of Sorcery. -The Chronicles of Spellborn (take a look at combat system) -Darkfall (pretending it releases) -APB -Huxley I'm sure there are a few others but none I can think of at the moment.
With the exception of APB(which i know absolutely nothing about) There is absolutely nothing unique about them. What you are doing, and failing to notice, is that you are somehow basing your "innovation" on "anything thats not like wow" so while darkfall is a evolution of UO and shadowbane, it's not stepping beyond any bounds. CoS is innovative in its pre-eq graphics TCoS, looks good, but the combat is very reminscent of DDO and AoC. APB, i don't know about Huxley, wasn't this like in dev 8 years ago? I remember hearing about ages ago. Regardless just being a FPS isn't innovative, theres been a mmorpgfps like 8 years ago called endless ages(i believe?) These have all been done before.
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since i find it mildly entertaining and sometimes add to the fire just for kicks. Having long learned the futile of trying to bring sense and neutrality to these forums. It's like teaching a monkey not to throw his own feces when mad. 
