Originally posted by Haelix

  WoW is organic and intuitive? Lol, maybe after you've played it a few years and installed half a dozen mods from curse. Show me one person who hasn't felt the need after playing wow for a while to install 3rd party mods to improve the game. WoW is not intuitive or organic, it's just the "norm" that people are comfortable with cause it's been around for so long.

  Not bashing WoW here, blizz did a great job in crafting the game, they stole all the right ideas from other games and added their own batch of innovations as well. Kudos, but organic and intuitive, it is not.

  As for being a WoW killer, who said it was? WoW will be around for a long time if for no other reason that alot of people are so "invested" into it. All that time, effort, and money spent buying gold to get your toons to the point you want them binds people to the game. That "investment" guarantees WoW will have a following for a long time to come. People fear change. There's an analogy that would work great here about a freezing day and a warm pile of feces but its too long to type out. Anyone who knows the one will see what I mean.

You might be the first person that thinks WOW isn't intutive.   How low can they go=)

By far a smoother release than WoW.  No 14 hour patches here...

All newly released games needs improvements, Wow did so at release too. You should wait 6 months before buying any MMO if you can't live weith some buggs and a shortage of content.

Just look on any game there is at launch and 6 months after, the improvements are big with more content, smother gameplay and so on. Perfection takes time. I'm not saying WAR sucks but it will be a lot better in 6 months together with every other MMO after launch, MMOs are a living thing and changes.

Or it just can be that this is really not a game for you, taste differs, nothing wrong with that. If you feel the same in a month or so you should consider finding another game...

The game will improve ofc.  Now its in perfectly good contidion to go online and play.  NOw.. how many MMOs have been able to do that in the last 5 years ?

There are no gamebreaking issues with it atm.  All quests are working fine for me and even tho some mobs are not always running straight or one or two minor issues with movement in certain areas. 

Go play WAR abit more - if you dont like it then there is no need to bitch here.  Alot of ppl ike it and its working out of the box.  Rest is just matter of opinion.

Originally posted by Boreil

Originally posted by nethrill

i just hope they listen to the subscribers and make the many improvements necessary to make this the successful and pleasureable game that it's been hyped up to be.for all the time and hype this game has had you would have thought this would have been the game of games.makes you really appreciate how organic and solid a game wow is.if wow had better graphics there would be no reason to go anywhere else.well i spent $50 on this game i hope it not a waste and just ends up sitting on a shelf collecting dust next to lotr and eq2.

 

Your a very bad troll , WaR has very little it needs to fix it is a very solid game at launch , which wow was not , its launch was much worse than WaR's. Dont try to compare 4 year old wow to WaR, compare wow at launch to war at launch and WaR blow's wow away , compared to when wow launched and now WaR is still better .

of course you compare WAR to current day WoW, that's the direct competitor. To compare it against the launch version of WoW is about as valid as using the model T as the main comparison for new cars.

Originally posted by Josher

 

You might be the first person that thinks WOW isn't intutive.   How low can they go=)

  It's automatically assumed by most that something is intuitive when most the people playing it know how to play it. However, the actual definition of Intuitive is: "readily learned or understood". An oddly enough, for the general population, any mmo, including wow, war and all the rest are nowhere near intuitive, and calling it as such as just retarded. Playing MMO's is a learned thing, just watch anybody trying to teach their gf, sister, mother, father, friend or cousin who's new to the genre how to pay WoW, then come back and tell me it's Intuitive.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intuitive

Originally posted by Haelix

Originally posted by Josher

 

You might be the first person that thinks WOW isn't intutive.   How low can they go=)

 

  It's automatically assumed by most that something is intuitive when most the people playing it know how to play it. However, the actual definition of Intuitive is: "readily learned or understood". An oddly enough, for the general population, any mmo, including wow, war and all the rest are nowhere near intuitive, and calling it as such as just retarded. Playing MMO's is a learned thing, just watch anybody trying to teach their gf, sister, mother, father friend or cousin who's new to the genre how to pay WoW, then come back and tell me it's Intuitive.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intuitive

Use of the word, "retarded" in this fashion invalidates your argument. Grownups learn that you can have a debate without using an unfortunate condition as a dergatory jab.

I want them to fix the problems with the UI. The user interface editor is plagued with bugs and I can't map the keys the way I want.

I hate to say this because it's so commonly used to insult people, but Go back to WoW. If you love that game then play it. Don't come here and bash WAR because it's "not WoW". WAR isn't WoW, and I think people should applaud their differences instead of crying about it. If you want WoW, play Wow.

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Originally posted by Haelix

Originally posted by Josher

 

You might be the first person that thinks WOW isn't intutive.   How low can they go=)

 

  It's automatically assumed by most that something is intuitive when most the people playing it know how to play it. However, the actual definition of Intuitive is: "readily learned or understood". An oddly enough, for the general population, any mmo, including wow, war and all the rest are nowhere near intuitive, and calling it as such as just retarded. Playing MMO's is a learned thing, just watch anybody trying to teach their gf, sister, mother, father friend or cousin who's new to the genre how to pay WoW, then come back and tell me it's Intuitive.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intuitive

 

Use of the word, "retarded" in this fashion invalidates your argument. Grownups learn that you can have a debate without using an unfortunate condition as a dergatory jab.

  Your a bright one eh? Here ya go:

 Definition of retarded: "slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress"

  Which would accurately describe someone who is incorrectly using terms and phrases to describe something, in this case, "intuitive". Also, genius, if someone finds one part of an arguement to be invalid, it in no way invalidates any other arguements contained in the same paragraph. The two things are not linked.

  If someone said that the sky is green and that the grass is green in the same paragraph the fact that they are wrong about the sky does not also mean that they are wrong about the grass. Anyways, considering the fact that the term retarded actually applies in the sense it was used means your umm..... wrong.

P.S. Using someone's use of a common slang term to accurately describe a situation to insinuate that they are in fact not "grown up", using your logic, would then invaidate your entire arguement due to the insulting nature of the statement wouldn't it? The "politically correct" movement is not always "factually correct", remember that.

Originally posted by nethrill

Originally posted by misterorff

 

 

i'm not trolling.the whole game play has such a stiff contrived feel to it,not organic and intuitve like wow.that's one issue.as far as the graphics are concerned,the landscape looks awesome but i'm diappointed in the characters,too much like lotr but more stiff and one dimensional.the chat channel is a small issue but an issue for some.there are some other issues and i'm not going to go into a long winded bitch about it.i'm going to give it a chance and i hope it proves to be a good game but right now it is lacking in certain area's.is there anyone here that thinks it is all it's been hyped up to be over the last few years?this was supposed to be the wow killer...no way.thank you

Originally posted by Haelix

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Originally posted by Haelix

Originally posted by Josher

 

You might be the first person that thinks WOW isn't intutive.   How low can they go=)

 

  It's automatically assumed by most that something is intuitive when most the people playing it know how to play it. However, the actual definition of Intuitive is: "readily learned or understood". An oddly enough, for the general population, any mmo, including wow, war and all the rest are nowhere near intuitive, and calling it as such as just retarded. Playing MMO's is a learned thing, just watch anybody trying to teach their gf, sister, mother, father friend or cousin who's new to the genre how to pay WoW, then come back and tell me it's Intuitive.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intuitive

 

Use of the word, "retarded" in this fashion invalidates your argument. Grownups learn that you can have a debate without using an unfortunate condition as a dergatory jab.

  Your a bright one eh? Here ya go:

 Definition of retarded: "slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress"

  Which would accurately describe someone who is incorrectly using terms and phrases to describe something. Also, genius, if someone finds one part of an arguement to be invalid, it in no way invalidates and other arguements contained in the same paragraph. The two things are not linked. If someone said that the sky is green and that the grass is green in the same paragraph the fact that they are wrong about the sky does not also mean that they are wrong about the grass. Anyways, considering the fact that the term retarded actually applies in the sense it was used means your umm..... wrong.

P.S. Using someone's use of a common slang term to accurately describe a situation to insinuate that they are in fact not "grown up", using your logic, would then invaidate your entire arguement due to the insulting nature of the statement wouldn't it?

You really don't know how to have a discussion without resorting to insults, do you? I see you have a dictionary, how about finding a nice book on manners?
 

And just to stay on topic, WoW is both intuitive and organic. It's easy to play, which accounts for its massive popularity and the fact that it has greatly expanded the MMORPG landscape. "Easy to play, hard to master" is the Blizzard mantra and it shows. As far as organic, WoW is a world and it feels like one from the first time you login. It's not perfect, but much of that is because of Blizzard's goal of trying to provide the experience for as many different types of players as possible. WAR Is just what it's marketing claims it to be, one big conflict. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what you're going for, but some of us look for something a little more than just whacking the daylights out of other players. It feels like you're playing a game, not experiencing a different world.

The bottom line is that Mythic cut content to push the game out the door. Now they need to put forth a clear plan of where they intend to go next before the 30-day period for the first accounts comes to a close. So far, they've been very vague in the midst of patting themselves on the back.

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Originally posted by Haelix

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Originally posted by Haelix

Originally posted by Josher

 

You might be the first person that thinks WOW isn't intutive.   How low can they go=)

 

  It's automatically assumed by most that something is intuitive when most the people playing it know how to play it. However, the actual definition of Intuitive is: "readily learned or understood". An oddly enough, for the general population, any mmo, including wow, war and all the rest are nowhere near intuitive, and calling it as such as just retarded. Playing MMO's is a learned thing, just watch anybody trying to teach their gf, sister, mother, father friend or cousin who's new to the genre how to pay WoW, then come back and tell me it's Intuitive.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intuitive

 

Use of the word, "retarded" in this fashion invalidates your argument. Grownups learn that you can have a debate without using an unfortunate condition as a dergatory jab.

  Your a bright one eh? Here ya go:

 Definition of retarded: "slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress"

  Which would accurately describe someone who is incorrectly using terms and phrases to describe something. Also, genius, if someone finds one part of an arguement to be invalid, it in no way invalidates and other arguements contained in the same paragraph. The two things are not linked. If someone said that the sky is green and that the grass is green in the same paragraph the fact that they are wrong about the sky does not also mean that they are wrong about the grass. Anyways, considering the fact that the term retarded actually applies in the sense it was used means your umm..... wrong.

P.S. Using someone's use of a common slang term to accurately describe a situation to insinuate that they are in fact not "grown up", using your logic, would then invaidate your entire arguement due to the insulting nature of the statement wouldn't it?

You really don't know how to have a discussion without resorting to insults, do you? I see you have a dictionary, how about finding a nice book on manners?
 

And just to stay on topic, WoW is both intuitive and organic. It's easy to play, which accounts for its massive popularity and the fact that it has greatly expanded the MMORPG landscape. "Easy to play, hard to master" is the Blizzard mantra and it shows. As far as organic, WoW is a world and it feels like one from the first time you login. It's not perfect, but much of that is because of Blizzard's goal of trying to provide the experience for as many different types of players as possible. WAR Is just what it's marketing claims it to be, one big conflict. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what you're going for, but some of us look for something a little more than just whacking the daylights out of other players. It feels like you're playing a game, not experiencing a different world.

The bottom line is that Mythic cut content to push the game out the door. Now they need to put forth a clear plan of where they intend to go next before the 30-day period for the first accounts comes to a close. So far, they've been very vague in the midst of patting themselves on the back.

  Not being insulting, not intentionally at least, a lil sarcastic maybe. The whole politically correct b.s. that so common nowadays has gotten overblown to the point that you can't even use common terms to accurately describe something without some self-righteous person throwing a fit about the term being used. Gets old, and makes no sense to me.

  As for the rest of your on topic statement, I agree with parts of it, except the intuitive and organic bits. Intuitive we've covered, as for organic, nothing changes, grows or develops. The npc's are always standing in the spot you left them, the view when you log in is always the same as when you left. The pvp and pve options and landscape are the same from one day to the next. It may be encompassing, and feel like a large world, but is that really organic? Saying something is organic means that, like a living organism, it changes and shifts over time, it in some way emulates a living organism. I see none of this in wow, a fact that didn't stop me from playing and enjoying it for two years, by the way. Its a good game, but once again, "organic and intuitive"? Nope.

  Anyways, if you feel insulted, I apologize, sarcasm is mostly second nature to me these days and it isn't meant to be insulting. We live in a pretty messed up world most days, it's either laugh, cry, make fun of it, or be ignorant. Of those options, ignorance is bliss but hard to maintain, so I choose witty sarcasm. Of course wit is subjective so maybe I'm just amusing myself.

  By the way, we really aren't on-topic, we're arguing wow's merits and whether or not it's intuitive and organic in a thread about how war has alot of work that needs to be done.

  Just thought I'd mention that. Servers are up by the way. so I'm off for now. Later.

They have work to do but the game overall is fairly playable.  Middle of the road launch IMO.  I haven't seen anything devastating, but there are enough bugs, problems with Queues etc, that one can rule out it having a flawless launch.