My time for the QQ whine troll whatever you want to call it. My last hope was WAR, it's clear that this game is devoid of any social interaction.

MMO genre is dead.

Hello to the masses of players that don't want anything else than a single player game with guys playing around.

I will just step aside while keeping an eye for some unexpected new game, but no hope anymore.

Congratulations developers, it wasn't easy to bring a whole genre to its knees, but you have managed to. Not a small feat.

Don't give up yet... give people a couple of days to get used to the game. I think the interaction will start to pick up once people realise that it's better if you play as a team.

I was gonna ask for your post count or your stuff but at the rate that this is going I'm just going to take up rock climbing.  I'm still debating on the whole WAR thing.  I'll give my friends a month or 2 to test the waters for me, I might even play on their accounts and if they stick with it I might be swayed.

Em what do you look for in an mmo?

Originally posted by altairzq

My time for the QQ whine troll whatever you want to call it. My last hope was WAR, it's clear that this game is devoid of any social interaction.

MMO genre is dead.

Hello to the masses of players that don't want anything else than a single player game with guys playing around.

I will just step aside while keeping an eye for some unexpected new game, but no hope anymore.

Congratulations developers, it wasn't easy to bring a whole genre to its knees, but you have managed to. Not a small feat.

It's such a shame and a tragedy, but I whole-heartedly agree with you. It's probably how things will be, as we see the trend going along. Maybe it's our expectations that do us in, we that boost our own hopes, 'willing' to be our next home to play.

Either way, for you, and ppl like us, the new trend is not what we intended or wanted the mmo genre to go.

I for one, will not be another Captain Ahab, obsessively looking for that one white mmo. I'll hang up my hat, grab a coke, and watch the world pass me by like imprisoned fish in an aquarium.

Nah   I always keep a small fire of hope, someone's bound to strike gold with our kind.

You should give Saga of Ryzom a try- I hear on the mainland you have to group to survive.

Well, one thing I learned from picking up Eve last year is that MMOs don't have to be new to be good.  Sure you haven't exhausted your options yet?

Originally posted by altairzq

Congratulations developers, it wasn't easy to bring a whole genre to its knees, but you have managed to. Not a small feat.

lol what?

the thing simply is. 

People play mmos for fun, not to make friends.

And war is new and people want to learn it and play it. They don't really care about winning or making a community since they JUST started.

Originally posted by Bladin

the thing simply is. 

People play mmos for fun, not to make friends.

And war is new and people want to learn it and play it. They don't really care about winning or making a community since they JUST started.

Maybe so, but if it goes down the same path as its predecessors, even WoW (with its huge playerbase)...then there's no real future in it for players that prefer that. Look at some threads already in the WAR forums where they it's dead quiet. Not saying it's fact, just saying what's out there.

Some of us find it fun to play as a community...you have your way of playing, and we have ours.

I found AoC like that, and I doubt it had anything to do with its game flaws, those responsible for such bad opinionated threads at any rate.

I think what a lot of the traditionalist miss is any sort of interdependency that has you needing to socialize in some way in MMO's.

Even the combatant / crafter relationship has more or less been neutralized in the newer MMO's. Almost every modern MMO is strictly combat focused and extremely linear.

So you end with games that "feel" like they are simplistic (because everything is gaged to solo play and accessibility) linear and getting dragged by the nose through the levels because the object of the game isn't to create a virtual world but to get you to a pre-staged endgame and nothing to really do BUT get dragged by the nose to said endgame.

MMOs have changed a lot in the past 5 years. Some for the better, some definately for the worse.

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by Bladin

the thing simply is. 

People play mmos for fun, not to make friends.

And war is new and people want to learn it and play it. They don't really care about winning or making a community since they JUST started.

 

Maybe so, but if it goes down the same path as its predecessors, even WoW (with its huge playerbase)...then there's no real future in it for players that prefer that. Look at some threads already in the WAR forums where they it's dead quiet. Not saying it's fact, just saying what's out there.

Some of us find it fun to play as a community...you have your way of playing, and we have ours.

I found AoC like that, and I doubt it had anything to do with its game flaws, those responsible for such bad opinionated threads at any rate.

Ok but that doesn't discount the hundreds of thousands of people who play just to have fun and not to make friends. I have FRIENDS in real life. I have "friends" in game. And I Like them very much but I don't call them and shoot the shit, I don't share with them what I'm doing in my real life. 

I play to have fun and I do. I'm sure there are many MANY others who do. I'm sorry the genre isn't what you want, I really am. but that doesn't mean it's dead. It just means it's moved on.

I can assure you that there are other aspects of your life that many might  say are equally dead. Perhaps Music for one?  As there is very little out there that has any real musical complexity or depth. everything is in the same damn key signatures with the same banal rhyme schemes if they use lyrics.

But do I complain at the top of my lungs? no, I accept that not everyone requires polyrythyms, or 12 tone groupings or extended harmonies or bitonality.

Do you? Probably not. you might. but dollars to donuts you probably don't. And that's ok. Because you love what you love and you enjoy what you enjoy. And I say good for you and more power to you.

Same with games in my opinion. The early days are gone. You can either revisit those games you loved (though they probably aren't the same) or you can gracefully find other stuff to do or just find some enjoyment in what there is.

I do know that there are games where people have cameraderie. I play them or justt quit. Lineage 2 for one. Lord of The rings if you are in a good group. I've had a blast with these games and the people I've met.

The games are out there. You just have to meter your expectations.

Originally posted by Torak

I think what a lot of the traditionalist miss is any sort of interdependency that has you needing to socialize in some way in MMO's.

Even the combatant / crafter relationship has more or less been neutralized in the newer MMO's. Almost every modern MMO is strictly combat focused and extremely linear.

So you end with games that "feel" like they are simplistic (because everything is gaged to solo play and accessibility) linear and getting dragged by the nose through the levels because the object of the game isn't to create a virtual world but to get you to a pre-staged endgame and nothing to really do BUT get dragged by the nose to said endgame.

MMOs have changed a lot in the past 5 years. Some for the better, some definately for the worse.

 

Thank you for spelling out what we already knew,

Why then make an mmo, why not a single player pc game with online capability? If it's only PvP wanted..why not a CoD4 style rpg?

I have nothing against WAR's RvR style of PvP as it a new twist to other PvP systems, albeit some will argue about that. What's the point of having a world with thousands of ppl on a server yet everyone doing their little thing? If I wanted that, I'd try to play outside in the real world, but I can't go around killing stuff with friends out there without spending at least some time in a small 6x8 cell with Bubba as a cellmate.

lol  My point is, I'd like a game where comraderie is shared by the enjoyment of the game...and if all I get for replies are that's outdated, or get used to the change...then I agree with the OP and must resign my online gaming gloves, as there's not much left for me to enjoy.

I don't supper at with my family to be ignored by my wife or kids, nor play football with the guys just to be snubbed after plays...why should I accept this in an MMO? 

  @Sovrath "I can assure you that there are other aspects of yoru life that I can say are equally dead. Perhaps Music for one? As there is very little out there that has any real musical complexity or depth. everything is in the same damn key signatures with the same banal rhyme schemes if they use lyrics."

-Would you listen to it? Would you acquiesce to its banal rhyme schemes? If not, wouldn't you share your dislike of it if someone brought up the subject?

I don't doubt you mean what you say...but there's no point in debating my opinion, as it is mine. I didn't bring it up as an attack on anyone's post..I agreed with someone else's.  I never attacked your pov, so I see no reason why you'd simply bring up what in my life you'd find boring...chances are, it'd be reciprocal.

If I was gonna suggest anything, wait for Darkfall Online. Honestly, it will be revolutionary compared to MMO standard set by WoW. If that game fails, I'll prolly just go back to CS:S and SC (and possibly SC2).

*waits for the DF haters*

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Originally posted by Bladin
the thing simply is. 
People play mmos for fun, not to make friends.
And war is new and people want to learn it and play it. They don't really care about winning or making a community since they JUST started.

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Well one thing I love to when I start a game its to start with a friend or to start a real coop mode online with unknown person, The OP is right, the actuall communoty isnt playing in group they waiting to be maximun level to start to thaught about talking to other player or even grouping with them for some raid...

There always something to do at low lvl in group, ill explain myself: ... its better to start and have good memory form lvl 1 with unknown person or some friends by grouping with them until the end of the game, you develop your personal side, you put some funny story or angry one without reveling your real personalty and that making the game alive.
I HATE TO SE something like a starting zone when the game just lunched and behing alone and trying to group with person and they keep fighting alone without even taking consideration grouping or my invit and their a lot of advantage by doing group from the begining and at all level to, you could take advantage of the ability from other classes in the game this is an exemple...

other emxeple :
All player who want to start healer classes are always in front of a wall at the begining they want to group and take full advantage of their ability and they cant because the tank can do everything by himself and dont wanna talk with the communoty " He want the peace to play alone and grinding is caracthere until he reach the miximun lvl and this at the maximun speed that he can".

Finally, there some game who what they did to resolve this problem easy they had removed or minimized the healear classe impact . This is not really a good answer to the problem by making a game with more soloing content, and making those "SOCIAL SOLO QUEST" this isnt not right thing to do, its only removing the oportunity to made a group by gaving more XP you ( social quest gave more because its something cool that they create ) and its requiring less work less socializing and making that one minded communoty.

I dont want to flame I took the exemple of Social Solo quest because War had started this and hope i wont see that idea behing apply to any futur mmo by the reason that could create one minded communoty that even thinking about soloing.

Took Guildwars was nice because from 1 to 20 you have to group.. exemple many person didnt like this game but its reached the top in 2005~­2007 in the best seller in online game for a f2p .

And who didnt play Diablo 2 at teh begining in coop mode that was really exciting moment for me.. when it time to play a MMO i dont want to bother myself with the social aspect because its suppose to be a game for this.. If i wanna play an game alone i will play MassEffect or Neverwinter2, or Diablo, titan qeust etc.. warcraft ...crysis. I wont come on a mmo without even sure to have fun with some comrade.

Originally posted by Sovrath
 

I do know that there are games where people have cameraderie. I play them or justt quit. Lineage 2 for one. Lord of The rings if you are in a good group. I've had a blast with these games and the people I've met.

The games are out there. You just have to meter your expectations.

 

IMHO, it has to do a lot with the mindset of the player. Generally speaking you find what you seek. I don't think any MMO is truely designed to be "anti - social" they just have the emphsis on different aspects of play. Where games like Lineage 2 strive to bind guilds together to fight one another throughout, games like WoW bring their guilds together for the endgame.

You may be able to "solo" through WAR as far as mechanics are concerned but I'm fairly certain you will not get 100% out of the game without being part of a cohesive, well organized and active guild....really like any other MMO out there. Guilds / socialization is purely in the hands of the players. All the tools are there in any MMO its just many don't use them.

Signed

Capt Obvious

Guys like us really ought to make a Real MMO.

*Grabs a textbook*

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Sovrath
 

I do know that there are games where people have cameraderie. I play them or justt quit. Lineage 2 for one. Lord of The rings if you are in a good group. I've had a blast with these games and the people I've met.

The games are out there. You just have to meter your expectations.

 

 

IMHO, it has to do a lot with the mindset of the player. Generally speaking you find what you seek. I don't think any MMO is truely designed to be "anti - social" they just have the emphsis on different aspects of play. Where games like Lineage 2 strive to bind guilds together to fight one another throughout, games like WoW bring their guilds together for the endgame.

You may be able to "solo" through WAR as far as mechanics are concerned but I'm fairly certain you will not get 100% out of the game without being part of a cohesive, well organized and active guild....really like any other MMO out there. Guilds / socialization is purely in the hands of the players. All the tools are there in any MMO its just many don't use them.

Signed

Capt Obvious

 

I couldn't agree more, every mmo has the tools...but you said, many don't use them. That is on par with what you said about the player's mindset...Now, I haven't WAR yet so I'm not putting it with those I have played. I only mentioned the posts I saw, never said they were truth.

I'm not dejected from the mmos now like the OP, I still play WoW on occasion, and AoC.  It's funny how when someone agrees or disagrees simply by stating their opinion, it never can be taken as such..an opinion. A debate always ensues. I will try WAR, and if I like it, will play it. I don't require others to play, I just find it a con when the community just isn't there.

Say what you will, it doesn't really matter, since you're just as opinionated as I am for replying to me as how outdated I am.

No worries though, I take no offense in any of this, it's all internet babble and has no real point but to waste time...enjoy

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Sovrath
 

I do know that there are games where people have cameraderie. I play them or justt quit. Lineage 2 for one. Lord of The rings if you are in a good group. I've had a blast with these games and the people I've met.

The games are out there. You just have to meter your expectations.

 

 

IMHO, it has to do a lot with the mindset of the player. Generally speaking you find what you seek. I don't think any MMO is truely designed to be "anti - social" they just have the emphsis on different aspects of play. Where games like Lineage 2 strive to bind guilds together to fight one another throughout, games like WoW bring their guilds together for the endgame.

You may be able to "solo" through WAR as far as mechanics are concerned but I'm fairly certain you will not get 100% out of the game without being part of a cohesive, well organized and active guild....really like any other MMO out there. Guilds / socialization is purely in the hands of the players. All the tools are there in any MMO its just many don't use them.

Signed

Capt Obvious

 

 

I couldn't agree more, every mmo has the tools...but you said, many don't use them. That is on par with what you said about the player's mindset...Now, I haven't WAR yet so I'm not putting it with those I have played. I only mentioned the posts I saw, never said they were truth.

I'm not dejected from the mmos now like the OP, I still play WoW on occasion, and AoC.  It's funny how when someone agrees or disagrees simply by stating their opinion, it never can be taken as such..an opinion. A debate always ensues. I will try WAR, and if I like it, will play it. I don't require others to play, I just find it a con when the community just isn't there.

Say what you will, it doesn't really matter, since you're just as opinionated as I am for replying to me as how outdated I am.

No worries though, I take no offense in any of this, it's all internet babble and has no real point but to waste time...enjoy

Actually I was replying to Sovrath as I agree with him on his view.

I just put that sig in to acknowledge that I read your post

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Sovrath
 

I do know that there are games where people have cameraderie. I play them or justt quit. Lineage 2 for one. Lord of The rings if you are in a good group. I've had a blast with these games and the people I've met.

The games are out there. You just have to meter your expectations.

 

 

IMHO, it has to do a lot with the mindset of the player. Generally speaking you find what you seek. I don't think any MMO is truely designed to be "anti - social" they just have the emphsis on different aspects of play. Where games like Lineage 2 strive to bind guilds together to fight one another throughout, games like WoW bring their guilds together for the endgame.

You may be able to "solo" through WAR as far as mechanics are concerned but I'm fairly certain you will not get 100% out of the game without being part of a cohesive, well organized and active guild....really like any other MMO out there. Guilds / socialization is purely in the hands of the players. All the tools are there in any MMO its just many don't use them.

Signed

Capt Obvious

 

 

I couldn't agree more, every mmo has the tools...but you said, many don't use them. That is on par with what you said about the player's mindset...Now, I haven't WAR yet so I'm not putting it with those I have played. I only mentioned the posts I saw, never said they were truth.

I'm not dejected from the mmos now like the OP, I still play WoW on occasion, and AoC.  It's funny how when someone agrees or disagrees simply by stating their opinion, it never can be taken as such..an opinion. A debate always ensues. I will try WAR, and if I like it, will play it. I don't require others to play, I just find it a con when the community just isn't there.

Say what you will, it doesn't really matter, since you're just as opinionated as I am for replying to me as how outdated I am.

No worries though, I take no offense in any of this, it's all internet babble and has no real point but to waste time...enjoy

Actually I was replying to Sovrath as I agree with him on his view.

I just put that sig in to acknowledge that I read your post

My bad then