Originally posted by Dedthom

I have often wondered how well a MMO would do that had no world. After creating your character you started in a building with hallways and room in which NPC stood next to portals. Once you recieved the quest from the NPC you would go thru the portal to a single cave or field or other room where mob after mob would spawn until the boss showed up. you could stay and kill the mobs or boss until everyone in the group got the magic widget then teleport out and go on the next quest.

No fiddling with traveling long distances, everything from quests to portals , to merchants and trainers would basically be in this one building. It wouldn't even have to have more then one floor. You wouldnt have to travel more than a few meters to the next NPC.

This would take care of the travel issue and I am sure the devs would love it because it would be easy to code.

Sounds like Guild Wars, CoH, and Sword of the New World were working on making this world heh.

Originally posted by Urrelles

Originally posted by Dedthom

I have often wondered how well a MMO would do that had no world. After creating your character you started in a building with hallways and room in which NPC stood next to portals. Once you recieved the quest from the NPC you would go thru the portal to a single cave or field or other room where mob after mob would spawn until the boss showed up. you could stay and kill the mobs or boss until everyone in the group got the magic widget then teleport out and go on the next quest.

No fiddling with traveling long distances, everything from quests to portals , to merchants and trainers would basically be in this one building. It wouldn't even have to have more then one floor. You wouldnt have to travel more than a few meters to the next NPC.

This would take care of the travel issue and I am sure the devs would love it because it would be easy to code.

Sounds like Guild Wars, CoH, and Sword of the New World were working on making this world heh.

Still to much walking ;) . and then GW makes you follow a path in the instance with invisible walls and no climbing.

Travel itself is no more the problem than npcs are the cuase of the camping problem.

In both cases extremely poor design, put forth by inept dev teams cuase the problem.

There are MANY things that can be added to a game to make travel something people actually look forward to,much like many things that can be added to a game to solve camping.

The most important new addition to a MMO that would solve both, and many more, would be competent dev teams.

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Originally posted by originalegg
ironacy

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This is the true irony, after all.

Originally posted by javac

WoW-style brain-dead NPC quests that have zero effect on the world are one of the worst aspects of the current MMO genre.

 

worlds should be entirely dynamic and sandboxed -- real-world simulations populated by AI-controlled players, not stupid scripted item-givers.

 

The first MMO that really makes a good sandbox MMO with mostly dynamic content will kick butt (Darkfall?)

No surprise here. That is exactly what you would expect would happen when you take content that was mainly optional to be done at your leisure over days or even weeks and months  and make it an integral part of the leveling treadmill.  Can't have a significant part of your leveling mechanism take that long so the quests got dumbed way down and increased in number.

Originally posted by Dedthom

I have often wondered how well a MMO would do that had no world. After creating your character you started in a building with hallways and room in which NPC stood next to portals. Once you recieved the quest from the NPC you would go thru the portal to a single cave or field or other room where mob after mob would spawn until the boss showed up. you could stay and kill the mobs or boss until everyone in the group got the magic widget then teleport out and go on the next quest.

No fiddling with traveling long distances, everything from quests to portals , to merchants and trainers would basically be in this one building. It wouldn't even have to have more then one floor. You wouldnt have to travel more than a few meters to the next NPC.

 

Is it free? I'd play it.

It actually makes perfect sense if you think about it. It's all about pacing.

• Quest-oriented quests keep you moving at a fairly steady pace. Travel times are small but frequent.
• EQ you spend a lot of time camping with zero movement coupled with long periods of travel to and from your camping spot. Travel times are less frequent but longer more pronounced when they do happen.

Think about two drivers taking different routes between two locations.

The first driver gets on the highway with heavy construction zones and ends up splitting his time evenly between 60 mph and 10 mph. The second driver takes the side streets and coasts along at a steady 35 mph. At the exact same moment an hour later, they both arrive. Who do you think is more likely to be complaining abound driving slowly?
 

This is one of the things I like about Eve actually - the world is huge and traveling any significant distance takes a while.

But since you can set up shop pretty much anywhere, market hubs tend to spring up anywhere there's a congregation of players, with traders (in relatively safe Empire space) and logistics pilots (in less-safe player-owned space) running supplies between them. It's all dynamic, player-run, and actually works very well.

Originally posted by javac

WoW-style brain-dead NPC quests that have zero effect on the world are one of the worst aspects of the current MMO genre.

 

worlds should be entirely dynamic and sandboxed -- real-world simulations populated by AI-controlled players, not stupid scripted item-givers.

 

The first MMO that really makes a good sandbox MMO with mostly dynamic content will kick butt (Darkfall?)

What's an AI-controlled player?  Is that like a robot that cleans my house and plays WoW for me?

For that matter, what the heck is ironacy?

I for one love travel and hate camping and pulling mobs in to said camp. But there are exceptions to my love for travel such as moving through an empty waste land with nothing around. I like exploring and looking at the beautiful landscape, and trying to get to new places. But when there’s little to nothing between points of interest it just gives me a feeling that all travel is used for is to waste time

"Travel" is travel that is found boring.

"Adventure" is travel that isn't so boring.

One man's adventure is another man's travel, and if you find yourself "travelling" too much, stop going in boring directions.

I do not know of anyone who disliked EQ's travel times.

EQ's travel was one of its best features; it was not too long; not too short;  dangerous but not impossible; and often felt thrilling and exciting.

We need more EQ travel and taken to new, different, and innovative levels.

the other day for a quest on my Warlock in WoW I had to spend 1 1/2 hours travelling because I'm only low level and didn't yet have the flight paths. That was extremely tedious.

There was a girl in high school that had the biggest crush on me; allas she was a biggun back then  and I held no attraction for her bountiful loins. I ended up marrying this petite lil green eyed darlin that had everything I was looking for. She was sweet, slim, goodlooking and easy. I married the goodlooking one and   lived  for 2 hellish years trapped within the nightmare on fuckin elmstreet. My ex-wife is a 350 pound cow with a love for welfare and childsupport.

The "biggun" went on to earn a doctorate and marry some slovenly pig that treats her like a pile of poo; "she loves him to death tho"; they live in a big house and drive nice cars.

I drive an old as oldsmobile and fight to pay the bills each month.The only girls that pay me any mind these days are ravenous crackheads and floosies.

Irony my friend.........Irony.

Originally posted by damond5031

There was a girl in high school that had the biggest crush on me; allas she was a biggun back then  and I held no attraction for her bountiful loins. I ended up marrying this petite lil green eyed darlin that had everything I was looking for. She was sweet, slim, goodlooking and easy. I married the goodlooking one and   lived  for 2 hellish years trapped within the nightmare on fuckin elmstreet. My ex-wife is a 350 pound cow with a love for welfare and childsupport.

The "biggun" went on to earn a doctorate and marry some slovenly pig that treats her like a pile of poo; "she loves him to death tho"; they live in a big house and drive nice cars.

I drive an old as oldsmobile and fight to pay the bills each month.The only girls that pay me any mind these days are ravenous crackheads and floosies.

 

Irony my friend.........Irony.

That is some irony indeed! Interesting story there thanks for sharing.

Originally posted by ianubisi

 

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Originally posted by originalegg
ironacy

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This is the true irony, after all.

Actually there is nothing ironic about me mispelling that word. What would make it ironic though is if my post was about spelling and grammer. Thanks for correcting my spelling though. Look up irony in the dictionary if you would like the meaning of the word.