Hmmm I have yet to see any of the self-called "Hard-core" players clamouring for a game to have perma-death, too "Hard-Core" for a majority of them then?

Originally posted by Hvymetal

Hmmm I have yet to see any of the self-called "Hard-core" players clamouring for a game to have perma-death, too "Hard-Core" for a majority of them then?

The majority of the Darkfall "hardcore" ( that word cracks me up when taliking about video games ) only use the term because of the daily guilt and anxiety that being beaten up by the 6th grade bully on the way to work can only inflict. It is a means of restoring their pathetic self-worth as they forage for that 2nd gallon of mocha-mocha chocolate ice cream mom sent over  to feel better.

Darkfall will launch.  From what I saw on their website it will be another 1 or 2 years.  They will successfully implement about half of their features and the other half will either be rushed or poorly thought out.  (Just like every other MMO with an extremely large list of promises)

Will the game fail?  Doubtful, but there is a good chance it will have simular Vangard like problems.  Unless we start seeing a lot more gameplay videos and some closed beta reviews, my doubnts are high. 

The game has been in development for 7 years and the art style is everywhere.  It promises much change.  No levels?  No turn timer based combat?  FFA PvP with corpse looting?  Those are some mighty ambitious goals with very few source games to study from.  There is a very good chance amny of these features will not be implemented correctly.

Originally posted by Hvymetal

Hmmm I have yet to see any of the self-called "Hard-core" players clamouring for a game to have perma-death, too "Hard-Core" for a majority of them then?

Perma death would be awesome. It makes everything so much more intense.

permadeath would be a real rush but would not fit in Darkfall whereas you develop a character for a long time. Hoping bigtime beta happens in Oct. But until then I will be cautious personally

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such.  Just because some dev says something does not make it true.  Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days.  They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off.

We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not.  Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though.  If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show.   If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.

 

This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.

 

Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.

 

As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).

 

The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.

I got a chuckle from this reply.  Proof you want, there is so much proof on the web it is overwhelming.  Just to start this is their 3rd beta announcement and we still have no beta yet.    Adventurine has produced so many "it is coming soon" announcements that media just ignores them now.
 

Sorry any publisher in the business is going to show a working game at the first show they can.  Hence it is clearly evident they don't have a playable game yet as Leipzig was just a few weeks ago.  How in the world are they going to get a beta out next month?

You people are clearly delusional over this title.   I can understand the want for something other than a another Wow clone, but Adventurine has been leading us on for years with nothing except a few screen shots.  Now they make one video and you want to annoint them?  Thanks, but I need something a bit more solid from them more than the host of missed promises they have given us so far.

In other words.... you can't provide any proof, like I said. You just repeat your Darkfall hate mantra without investigating it. Thanks for proving my point.

I agree with most of the OP's sentiments. However Darkfall is vaporware if I've ever seen it. Trust me, it is very easy to work up a list of features and screenshots like that.

we just have to see wont we XDDDD

Originally posted by Timberwolf0

I agree with most of the OP's sentiments. However Darkfall is vaporware if I've ever seen it. Trust me, it is very easy to work up a list of features and screenshots like that.

It's almost certainly not vaporware, yesterday they announced their US server host saying launch will be in 2008:

www.marketwatch.com/news/story/aventurine-launch-new-game-gnis/story.aspx

Originally posted by Timberwolf0

I agree with most of the OP's sentiments. However Darkfall is vaporware if I've ever seen it. Trust me, it is very easy to work up a list of features and screenshots like that.

so... you think it's easy to mock up over 600 screenshots, 7 videos representing about 30 minutes of game footage, and just under 250 single-spaced pages of developer interviews over 7 years, then sign contracts with a distributor and server provider and you think they would do all this just for a joke?

i have some beachfront property in Antarctica to sell you, PM me.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by paulscott

OMG I'm amazed the name javac hasn't been taken before

 

Evidently not many programmers here ;-)

Programmers are usually all for sandbox join the crowd

Originally posted by PatchDay

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by paulscott

OMG I'm amazed the name javac hasn't been taken before

 

Evidently not many programmers here ;-)

 

Programmers are usually all for sandbox join the crowd

true... i think sandbox games generally attract an older/more mature audience anyway.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such.  Just because some dev says something does not make it true.  Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days.  They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off.

We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not.  Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though.  If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show.   If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.

 

This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.

 

Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.

 

As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).

 

The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.

I got a chuckle from this reply.  Proof you want, there is so much proof on the web it is overwhelming.  Just to start this is their 3rd beta announcement and we still have no beta yet.    Adventurine has produced so many "it is coming soon" announcements that media just ignores them now.
 

Sorry any publisher in the business is going to show a working game at the first show they can.  Hence it is clearly evident they don't have a playable game yet as Leipzig was just a few weeks ago.  How in the world are they going to get a beta out next month?

You people are clearly delusional over this title.   I can understand the want for something other than a another Wow clone, but Adventurine has been leading us on for years with nothing except a few screen shots.  Now they make one video and you want to annoint them?  Thanks, but I need something a bit more solid from them more than the host of missed promises they have given us so far.

In other words.... you can't provide any proof, like I said. You just repeat your Darkfall hate mantra without investigating it. Thanks for proving my point.

Proving what point?  That Adventurine speaks with forked tongue?  Hardly a hate mantra when I just point out the facts you so conveniently ignore.  Most of us here would love to see Adventurine produce something playable, close to what they describe on the website.   We just don't have much confidence in them anymore after all the charades they have put us through.  It is time for Adventurine to put up or shut up.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such.  Just because some dev says something does not make it true.  Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days.  They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off.

We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not.  Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though.  If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show.   If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.

 

This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.

 

Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.

 

As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy gameplay (*cough* AoC).

 

The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the gameplay and polish that should have been there in the first place.

I got a chuckle from this reply.  Proof you want, there is so much proof on the web it is overwhelming.  Just to start this is their 3rd beta announcement and we still have no beta yet.    Adventurine has produced so many "it is coming soon" announcements that media just ignores them now.
 

Sorry any publisher in the business is going to show a working game at the first show they can.  Hence it is clearly evident they don't have a playable game yet as Leipzig was just a few weeks ago.  How in the world are they going to get a beta out next month?

You people are clearly delusional over this title.   I can understand the want for something other than a another Wow clone, but Adventurine has been leading us on for years with nothing except a few screen shots.  Now they make one video and you want to annoint them?  Thanks, but I need something a bit more solid from them more than the host of missed promises they have given us so far.

In other words.... you can't provide any proof, like I said. You just repeat your Darkfall hate mantra without investigating it. Thanks for proving my point.

Proving what point?  That Adventurine speaks with forked tongue?  Hardly a hate mantra when I just point out the facts you so conveniently ignore.  Most of us here would love to see Adventurine produce something playable, close to what they describe on the website.   We just don't have much confidence in them anymore after all the charades they have put us through.  It is time for Adventurine to put up or shut up.

So where are these lies you reckon they have told? Please provide actual developer quotes. As I said, 99% of what trolls call "lies" are due to people naively or deliberately mis-interpreting what has been said, not what was actually said. It's a fact that Aventurine have never missed a release date because 2008 is the first *official* release date they have given us.

God I hope DF isn't a failure, so you fanaticals will be to busy playing to whine and cry on gaming forums.

Good post OP.

While I'm happy that DF is actually a game personally I think it looks way too dated to be considered Next gen.

Sure its a sandbox, ffa pvp, skill based game with FP combat but in no way is this game Next gen.

UO + Oblivion = Darkfall

I will try DF but to be honest Earthrise is the game im hoping will be the next big thing.

Originally posted by Z3R01

Good post OP.

While I'm happy that DF is actually a game personally I think it looks way too dated to be considered Next gen.

Sure its a sandbox, ffa pvp, skill based game with FP combat but in no way is this game Next gen.

UO + Oblivion = Darkfall

I will try DF but to be honest Earthrise is the game im hoping will be the next big thing.

"Next generation" is an objective term, and it surely depends from person to person. I personally like medieval-fantasy themed MMORPGs, and I've played my share of them, got frustrated way too many times, and found my "next big thing" finally.

I think Darkfall is revolutionary, not because they've invented those novelties - we players, and many other game developers all probably imagined a game without endless grinds, more active combat and more serious risk management systems such as FFA full loot PvP one way or another, however Aventurine showed the courage to implement it to Darkfall. All we can hope is, they will succeed.

I appreciate other opinions, and understand the sentiment of mistrust for the game since they've announced beta dates they couldn't achieve in the past years. However, Aventurine have regularly kept their given promises in the past two years, and the announcement of release deadline is "the big hope". I believe, the negative stance towards the game will be turned upside down once the Beta stage begins next month, and the game will reach to its deserved popularity soon.

We're trying to introduce the game again to all those who have kept an eye on it for a little while in the past but got frustrated, and to those new people who were not aware of the game before. Now that it's really getting to somewhere and exciting news bundling up, I recommend and expect people to visit or re-visit the game website and discover more. You can take a look at Darkfall forums and see the change/activity/excitement these days. We just had three fresh threads in the last two days with links to news from 3 different media organizations about the game. We're told by the devs that we should expect even bigger interviews/previews from some popular magazines and websites to be published in a few days.

In the meanwhile, Earthrise will be on my list of games to check; perhaps it may be interesting to try a fresh new genre of sci-fi MMORPG with FFA PvP.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Introduction to hype 101, Adventurine is the king of such.  Just because some dev says something does not make it true.  Most of what Adventurine says we take with a grain of salt these days.  They have lied so many times that even the wolf is laughing his butt off.

We will have to wait and see when the game comes out what features are included and what are not.  Don't go holding your breath, Darkfall won't see the light of day in 2008, might be 2009 though.  If you want evidence of such, even the publisher was a no show at the recent Leipzig show.   If they had a game that was even close to playable it would have been shown there.

 

This is typical Darkfall trolling, no truth and no facts. Give us a list of some of these supposed 'lies', including direct developer quotes... if you can. 99% of claims of 'lies' are just idiots who mis-read or over-read what the developers say.

 

Sure they have talked about beta a few times in the past, but they have never set a release date for the game until now.

 

As for conferences I would rather have a MMO developer devote 100% of their resources into making a top quality game instead of blowing money going to conferences to hype their game then delivering crappy game play (*cough* AoC).

 

The MMO industry needs a wake-up call that it can't make shitty games and expect players to pay then while they add the game play and polish that should have been there in the first place.

I got a chuckle from this reply.  Proof you want, there is so much proof on the web it is overwhelming.  Just to start this is their 3rd beta announcement and we still have no beta yet.    Adventurine has produced so many "it is coming soon" announcements that media just ignores them now.
 

Sorry any publisher in the business is going to show a working game at the first show they can.  Hence it is clearly evident they don't have a playable game yet as Leipzig was just a few weeks ago.  How in the world are they going to get a beta out next month?

You people are clearly delusional over this title.   I can understand the want for something other than a another Wow clone, but Adventurine has been leading us on for years with nothing except a few screen shots.  Now they make one video and you want to anoint them?  Thanks, but I need something a bit more solid from them more than the host of missed promises they have given us so far.

In other words.... you can't provide any proof, like I said. You just repeat your Darkfall hate mantra without investigating it. Thanks for proving my point.

Proving what point?  That Adventurine speaks with forked tongue?  Hardly a hate mantra when I just point out the facts you so conveniently ignore.  Most of us here would love to see Adventurine produce something playable, close to what they describe on the website.   We just don't have much confidence in them anymore after all the charades they have put us through.  It is time for Adventurine to put up or shut up.

 

So where are these lies you reckon they have told? Please provide actual developer quotes. As I said, 99% of what trolls call "lies" are due to people naively or deliberately mis-interpreting what has been said, not what was actually said. It's a fact that Aventurine have never missed a release date because 2008 is the first *official* release date they have given us.

 

 

I don't need to quote anything, just google "darkfall missed dates" and it will give you over 10 pages.  I need say no more.  Next time use an argument that does not have overwhelming evidence against you.

I would not be surprised if there was a wiki out there for "missed dates" with Darkfall highlighted as a prominent example.

Originally posted by Hvymetal

Hmmm I have yet to see any of the self-called "Hard-core" players clamouring for a game to have perma-death, too "Hard-Core" for a majority of them then?

I laugh when I read them about how good is full loot and how hardcore they are defending that... but... with easily replaceable and cheap gear please

Originally posted by Galaturc

WALL OF TEXT

Aventurine, the developers of Darkfall have officially announced a release date for the "first time" in 7 years of their game development (7 years can easily be considered common when compared to other MMORPG games)

I mean nothing personal by this, but I've noticed a herd of Darkfall fans on this forum who  will not get their facts straight about development time with games. So OP, I'd like to show you these games that took far less time.  Proving that 7 years is nowhere near considered common when compared to other MMORPG games developed.

WoW Development time: 4 years. (not counting two expansions also being released in less than 7 years time from original development)

EQ2 Development time:  Less than or equal to WoW's dev time. (not counting several free updates, and even more expansions in less time)

Dungeons & Dragons Online: Stormreach: Approximately 2 years of development.

WAR: The Warhammer Online license was acquired by Mythic on May 18, 2005 and was lost by Climax Online in late 2004. It's being released Sept. 2008. Companies do not normally make development time for a game they don't own yet. And no serious development till a distribution method is guaranteed.

Dark Age of Camelot: Mythic started Dark Age of Camelot development in late 1999 and released in 2001. That's less than half of Darkfall's development time.

I'm not saying Darkfall will be a failure, but I am tired of seeing fans of the game act like they know this industry because the Darkfall boards/team said "well everyone else is wrong".  And I am indeed looking forward to seeing what 7 years of development can create.