All i read is how this is a knock off to wow, that game didnt bring nothing new to the table, this game is the same as the other.......what did WoW bring that was new, the only thing they brought to to gaming world is a negative one, they down graded the gaming community, making games  simplistic, which has a ripple effect to other games now, Wow is a huge knock off other previous games before its time, Just starting to get annoyed from other gamers that have not experienced any other games before Wow came out, you have a bunch of virgins telling everyone else about games....

I am sorry you appear to be in the wrong forum.. WAR fanbois belong here http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/category/179 if you would be so kind to close the door after you.. thank you.

Nothing intellligent to speak of, what else do you expect from a simplistic society here....

well post somthing of worth and we might respond.  until then. Shhhhh

Well, if WOW did anything new, it managed to bring 10M + players into the MMORPG arena, which no game previously had been able to do.

Now, some of us might not like the impact on the development of new games that this influx caused, but that is certainly not the fault of Blizzard.

Other than that, sure you could argue that most of what they developed was just improvements (or simplications if you are so inclined) to many existing features by previous games.

I thought many parts of WOW were quite good (must have, I played about 18 months) however eventually it was time for me to move on. (which is true for every game in my case)

But I'll tell you one thing that isn't new at all, at least to these forums.

The OP.

wow made a huge market for the mmo industry,

if there was no WoW the mmorpg industry would have been a nieche with very little games produced.

WoW has brought alot to the gaming world as whole, all i see is everyone knocking it off but tbh what is there to knock?

Yeh you may have to pay monthly but it is the best MMORPG in the world out there and if you dont agree then how come there is 10Million + playing WoW.

WoW bought diversity to games with the features of add ons aswell, i havent seen another MMORPG with a folder where you can change your interface, i have seen WoW's basic interface copied so many times with other games, but Blizzard give you the oppurtunity to change it if you really want to.

Also WoW gives a challenge to players, with other MMORPG's i find its either too easy to level up or it is one HUGE grind. Although alot of WoW leveling is grinding the world inside the game is huge, it takes you such a while to get used to the whole game in general, the basic principals are still there as with every other MMORPG but WoW have added to that to make it more complex game which is why alot of people play it.

Also the PvP in WoW beats every MMORPG i have played due to how free it is, in most RPG's the PvP feels like PvE just standing here hitting each other waiting for the first one to go 0 on health where as in WoW you can move around and still use your attacks, and battlegrounds are a big implimentation to WoW cause your team HAS to work together to win otherwise you wont win anything, the strategies you plan out in WoW are amazing in battlegrounds and in instances.

Going on about instances, this is where WoW becomes intense, most RPG's seem to be about getting to the highest level then the game really ends, but in WoW the game BEGINS at 70 with all the raids you can do, teamwork is such a HUGE part of raids and i have yet to see another game make teamwork as important to down bosses, i mean the starting instances at 70 you can pull people through but as you advance onto the harder instances EVERYONE has to follow tactics otherwise it could wipe everyone and the boss wont be downed.

I could go on about what WoW has brought to the gaming world but i would like to see your responses to this post.

WoW has set the bench mark to all other MMORPG's.

Just gonna have to wait for someone to break that bench mark :)

Thanks for reading

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Originally posted by vardar
All i read is how this is a knock off to wow, that game didnt bring nothing new to the table, this game is the same as the other.......what did WoW bring that was new, the only thing they brought to to gaming world is a negative one, they down graded the gaming community, making games  simplistic, which has a ripple effect to other games now, Wow is a huge knock off other previous games before its time, Just starting to get annoyed from other gamers that have not experienced any other games before Wow came out, you have a bunch of virgins telling everyone else about games....

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.....because of course it is better to be a cliche quoting idiot dropping into a forum to bad mouth a game that he/she probably has no clue about, isn't it?

Did WoW bring anything massively new to the world of MMO's in particular, well no, to be completely honest! Is everyone happy with the game, well no!

What Blizzard did do was take the best of what was out there and create a game that was accessible to the gaming community as a whole and not just a niche title that would appeal to a select few and isn't that what gaming should be about?

As the community is so large there will be the few that are a pain in the rear to everyone, but from a personal perspective that is not indicative of the community as a whole which for the main part are a fairly mature and respectful lot to play alongside. Again, my personal experience has been that a lot of the people i have played alongside have come from other MMO's (two people that i played alongside in EVE came with me when i left) and my own paid MMO history has been in Earth & Beyond, Anarchy Online, DAoC, EVE and WoW and my gaming experience as a whole goes back to around 1977 (atari 2600 anyone?).

WoW raised the bar in as much as it opened up the world of MMO's to the wider gaming community and that is a very good thing in my humble opinion. If you don't like the diversity of a large community then i would say that MMO's are probably the wrong type of game for you or you would be better off in a small niche MMO (or just MO i guess as you can hardly say Massively can you?).

Originally posted by vardar

All i read is how this is a knock off to wow, that game didnt bring nothing new to the table, this game is the same as the other.......what did WoW bring that was new, the only thing they brought to to gaming world is a negative one, they down graded the gaming community, making games  simplistic, which has a ripple effect to other games now, Wow is a huge knock off other previous games before its time, Just starting to get annoyed from other gamers that have not experienced any other games before Wow came out, you have a bunch of virgins telling everyone else about games....

 /facepalm

I agree WOW is a fun game, I still have my account active, but I haven't played for 3 weeks now, but there is a huge misunderstanding on WOW's Subscriber numbers. I think WOW has about 3 - 4 million actual subscribers and about 3 million actively playing and 6-7 million farming accounts, plus just because there are all these subscribers, it doesn't mean that many are even playing. Alot of people have their accounts active it doesn't mean that there is 10 million people playing.

The last time I played there were hardly a person to be seen in alot of the pre-bc zones...shrug..maybe it was just the server I was on. I honestly just don't think there are 10 million active subscribe players, I don't think there is an accurate number, don't get me wrong WOW has people playing, WOW is fun, just don't think the numbers are accurate.

Originally posted by vardar

All i read is how this is a knock off to wow, that game didnt bring nothing new to the table, this game is the same as the other.......what did WoW bring that was new, the only thing they brought to to gaming world is a negative one, they down graded the gaming community, making games  simplistic, which has a ripple effect to other games now, Wow is a huge knock off other previous games before its time, Just starting to get annoyed from other gamers that have not experienced any other games before Wow came out, you have a bunch of virgins telling everyone else about games....

  My good friend, you are most certainly wrong.  I won't even waste time with a discussion here...if you have actually played the games which precede it and played it as well...there should be no question what new things it brought to the table.  That would mean that you fall into one of two possible categories here.  Either:

A:  You realize the untruth of your statement, and a either trying to start some flaming or have decided to exaggerate (grossly, I might add) to make your point that you are just sick of HEARING that games are copies of WoW

or

B:  You're greener to this genre than you are to life, and judging from the way you write...I'm guessing you're no where near that fabled "hill" there either.

In either case, there is absolutely no reason for anyone here to even so much as bother to regard you at all.  But, then...if we didn't regard everyone whom simply made no sense, we'd likely never get to talk at all around here.

Originally posted by coffee

I am sorry you appear to be in the wrong forum.. WAR fanbois belong here http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/category/179 if you would be so kind to close the door after you.. thank you.

Sorry, We do not want him. He is all yours.

I was digging through old magazines today and found a PC Gamer from July 2004.

One of the main features was a preview of two new games.   One was Everquest II (It made the cover) another was called World of Warcraft.

The reviewer was in beta and was saying how exciting and refreshing WoW was (compared to EQ, surely, although it didn't say so specifically).  You say WoW was a knock off - I assume you mean of EQ or AC, otherwise it's Meridian 59, UO, or various MUDs, and perhaps NwN on AoL- but I doubt the latter choices. 

So WoW was influenced greatly by two games...

Maybe WoW didn't bring anything new from your perspective, but the article gave a different historical perspective.

I don't understand how people can bitch and moan about a game that is four years old - and arguably the most successful game of all time.  Of coure it's going to be a bit stale- many people have been playing (consistantly or off and on) for FOUR YEARS.

I think people forget how f'ing amazed they were four years ago (most of them).   To say they built and held on to a playerbase by 'downgrading' the comminty and making games simplistic, is ironically , a simplistic point of view that  degrades Blizzard's achievement, and at the same time suggests they have purposely blinded and bound subsequent developers to  not be able to think beyond the WoW system.  It's kind of absurd.

The people who bitched about the game when it came out were comparing it to EQ, EQ II, and AC.

 Four years later, your kind of missed that boat, don'tcha think?

BOAT!

Originally posted by vardar

All i read is how this is a knock off to wow, that game didnt bring nothing new to the table, this game is the same as the other.......what did WoW bring that was new, the only thing they brought to to gaming world is a negative one, they down graded the gaming community, making games  simplistic, which has a ripple effect to other games now, Wow is a huge knock off other previous games before its time, Just starting to get annoyed from other gamers that have not experienced any other games before Wow came out, you have a bunch of virgins telling everyone else about games....

100% agreed...

All wow did was thake complex and difficult games and made them, well, super easy.  Now the industry is flooded with wow players that want everything in game handed to them on a platter.   I guess wow clones would include all the games that offer no difficulty in progressing.

I hope that gaming companys start to buck the trend and start offering games with some difficulty and complexity.

wow is an everquest clone on easy mode...no thought required.

(i think this argument as a whole could have been easily avoided if wow players hadendt been flooding every other games forums and calling them all wow clones...give respect where its due, wow is a clone of a game in itself, only the really easy ones, with kiddie graphics, and goofy disproportioned characters should be called wow clones)

People say it did nothing new and yet look at all the level based fantasy games before it and play them again......... then tell me it did nothing new. If it did nothing new then why is every mmorpg developer since taking sooo much from WOW?

Wow did bring 10 millions new player to the MMOs, isn't that something new?

Yes Wow did ripp quite a few things and now others are ripping wow off but all game genres work like this, what would FPS games be today without Doom, Quake and Half-life?

Originally posted by vardar

All i read is how this is a knock off to wow, that game didnt bring nothing new to the table, this game is the same as the other.......what did WoW bring that was new, the only thing they brought to to gaming world is a negative one, they down graded the gaming community, making games  simplistic, which has a ripple effect to other games now, Wow is a huge knock off other previous games before its time, Just starting to get annoyed from other gamers that have not experienced any other games before Wow came out, you have a bunch of virgins telling everyone else about games....

First of all, who cares.. every mmo takes ideas from other mmo's so it's hard to bring something "new" to the mmo-market. And yes maby wow wasn't that original, but it mixed the best elements and it gave me that "mmo-fix" I needed ^^ , Wow was and still is a great game, although I have to say I miss the pre-tbc times a bid, and I quited wow a few months ago, I can't say much bad things about the game. A good thing about wow is that it brought a LOT of new people to the mmo market, and that is a good thing right?

I don't  think I gonna return in the near future, I wait until WOTLK comes out and see what happens.

I have bought lotro and downloaded some other mmo's I wanna try first before I go back to wow

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Originally posted by dkzero
WoW just dumbed everything down and made it accesible to the masses.  It's like comparing Dead Kennedys to Blink 182 (or whatever psuedo punk band is popular atm), or NWA to lil Wayne.   Of course Blink 182 makes more money and is way more popular, but which is better?  WoW isn't a bad game, but the community of stuck up assholes who think playing 14 hours a day = skill ruined it.

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....and yet some people may not like the DK's or Blink, it is all a matter of personal choice at the end of the day.

Again i would refer you back to my earlier post on this thread and point out that as the WoW community is so large it does have a diverse 'blend' (for want of a better word) of characters including annoying teens, elite PvP'ers and probably a guild based on goth-vampire-Val Doonican lovers. The community in the game is just like any other, there are some people you will like and some you won't but if you judge the game based on those you don't like then you are not doing justice to those that make the game a great place to be.

As for dumbing down, well WoW has had this levelled at it since it was released but i don't see that from a personal perspective. Coming from both AO and DAOC in the past which just tended to leave your character high and dry of info from a fairly early stage in the game, i appreciated the strength of WoW to guide people through the initial stages of their characters development and that is what made it so accessible to so many. OK, some will call it 'hand holding' or 'dumbing down' but to me that is just an elite attitude within itself.

Originally posted by vardar

All i read is how this is a knock off to wow, that game didnt bring nothing new to the table, this game is the same as the other.......what did WoW bring that was new, the only thing they brought to to gaming world is a negative one, they down graded the gaming community, making games  simplistic, which has a ripple effect to other games now, Wow is a huge knock off other previous games before its time, Just starting to get annoyed from other gamers that have not experienced any other games before Wow came out, you have a bunch of virgins telling everyone else about games....

Since i have played guild wars, evq2 ,vanguard sfh,L2,AOC  i can tell you in detail what new wow has brought .

A rated ladder in pvp where the best pvpiers can compete in arena for the title and best gear.

Polished and smooth gameplay and animations which frankly out of huge curiocity most of the others mmo's

FAILED TO ACCOMPLISH. it sounds simply maybe and easy to make good and smooth animation for your toons but strangely most of the other mmo's failed to accomplish.

A beatifull designed outdoors world .

Carefully designed classes with many options to choose duing a battle.

Addictive instances from lvl 12-70 where with 5 ppl parties u can go to.

Now some mmo's have some of the elements i mentioned, but not all of these..

Another thing: Every time i tell one of my friends that hey  have u checked this new mmo' that will release?

All of them pop up the same question.. Does it has arena and ladder rated system??

That means something about the new status that wow have set in pvp.. ARENA

Now they say WAR will have massive outdoors pvp.. ok. and i ask the same questions that my friends asked me: And how in mass outdoors pvp can someone achieve something? In forums i read that by  leading 200 ppl ? whats the profit? and if y its 1 guy only that will be raid leader that will manage something? How can u  make the diference in massive battles? By shooting arrows up from atree some enemies whiel ther eis a complete mess ? all melle classes in front line will be the target and range shhoters from behind shooting from safe distance will poor meliers will get nuked? What chivalrous and valorous is on that?

Most fair pvp system sadly is arena .. I d love to see a good constructed system for outdoors pvp battles but it needs loads of work with everything and im not sure if war can accomplish that..

A last thing so u can t call me a wow fan boy.

Is wow a boring game nowdays? yes but for players that play it 2y + . i play it almost from release till now with some small 2-3 months brakes.

My hopes are set in Darkfall only because its made by programers that were/are players also and they have tried to put many diferent things than the ones wow has. loads of skills /talents , ability to make any combination of class u want ,reminds me UO, like huge open world no limits in adventuring and many new elements u dont see in the mmo's so far.

I honestly hope WAR will offer something better and diferent than wow but i guess we ll have to wait to see cause from beta till release there is a huge didference so dont u critisice it.

Originally posted by vardar

All i read is how this is a knock off to wow, that game didnt bring nothing new to the table, this game is the same as the other.......what did WoW bring that was new, the only thing they brought to to gaming world is a negative one, they down graded the gaming community, making games  simplistic, which has a ripple effect to other games now, Wow is a huge knock off other previous games before its time, Just starting to get annoyed from other gamers that have not experienced any other games before Wow came out, you have a bunch of virgins telling everyone else about games....

So, do u actually have any facts supporting your claim that WoW brought nothing new to the table......? and this "ripple effect" affected which games? consoles, PC's, or both??? but maybe im wondering if you're jsut here to rile up the masses???? and i take it you're a virgin because u seem to be telling everyone else about games....hmmmm