There is a command for /katadance that does a dance involving you swinging your weapons.

Originally posted by shadenis

The above poster about EVE was correct . PVP = the future , no matter how you spin it . Pve is still AI and AI  is still superior dumb in mmo-land . You only can have raiding, story and quests and maybe some future ideas but mass companies don't wanna do that so all you see is bland raiding and bland kill x quests which aren't quest but jokes created by lazy developers.

 

PVP is a whole lot more like FFA, RVR and in those things it is factional warface, town wars,  guild vs guild  open world pvp,  sea combat ( naval combat) sieges  etc. etc.

 

And then you got the non -combat content like crafting, economy and social classes NAME IT! Which are mostly found in sandbox games while pve content like raiding and quests are more found in linear games.

Having all 3 would create awesomeness , so that's what developers need to aim for.

pvp is not the future of mmo's, better technology will lead to better ai.  better technologies will give better graphics and better experienced, eventually you will go into a dungeon and it will look like a real dragon.

PVP will never be the future, because unless every class is the same, you will N E V E R have balanced pvp, and no one gives a flying monkeys butt about unbalanced zergfests like WoW and WAR, it's a small percentage of the mmo population as a whole that enjoys that crap. 

why do you think EVE never has more than 120,000 users logged in at once? it's c piece of crap, the graphics are amazing, the gameplay is a borefest.  WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, oh did i mention WARP.  hey look i found some pirates, attack, attack, WARP AWAY THEY ARE *WAY* too powerful.

pvp will only ever be good in 1 genre, FPS games.  why? because that's what they are built around. EVERYBODY has the same equipment, it's PURELY based on skill.

I can't stress this enough, ANY class, race, level, and gear based game is NEVER * * * EVER * * * going to be balanced for pvp.

LOL I don't know about you, but I could see a Choosen dancing around in glee after they lop a head off of someone.

elondor, i don't think you have really payed attention to the MMORPG genre over the past 4 years if you really believe this. WoW has gone from a PvE game with PvP tacked on to at least 50% PvP and probably more. AOC failed to keep a player population largely because of the lack of PvP systems at release.

PvP used to be a niche but now it almost a requirement to a good game release.

Originally posted by Ender4

elondor, i don't think you have really payed attention to the MMORPG genre over the past 4 years if you really believe this. WoW has gone from a PvE game with PvP tacked on to at least 50% PvP and probably more. AOC failed to keep a player population largely because of the lack of PvP systems at release.

PvP used to be a niche but now it almost a requirement to a good game release.

I agree and I want to know what elondor is smoking, haha. I'm just messing.

Seriously though, pvp is built around games nowadays. As you notice in world of warcraft, half of the game IS NOW BASED ON PVP. I mean everything you do on wow, has a chance of having some pvp involvement. Oh, the good of having pvp servers on games. Roleplaiyng is going out of style and pvp is the new style. You can either wear the cool clothes or be an outcast, you choose, HAHA im just messin again.

Warhammer is basing the game around pvp...if you think pvp isn't the soul of good games nowadays, you're crazy and you need to quit warhammer now.

try typing

/special

Originally posted by Rayx0r

try typing

/special

True. The gobby does a break-dance type /special

Originally posted by D3mis3

Originally posted by Rayx0r

try typing

/special

 

True. The gobby does a break-dance type /special

the dwarf does something with a pipe. chosen bows his back and starts to glow looking energized.

not sure all race/sexes have a /special yet.  Last time my gf played her DE female DoK didnt.

Im pretty sure its a general placeholder for incoming emotes and dances

Originally posted by elondor

Originally posted by shadenis

The above poster about EVE was correct . PVP = the future , no matter how you spin it . Pve is still AI and AI  is still superior dumb in mmo-land . You only can have raiding, story and quests and maybe some future ideas but mass companies don't wanna do that so all you see is bland raiding and bland kill x quests which aren't quest but jokes created by lazy developers.

 

PVP is a whole lot more like FFA, RVR and in those things it is factional warface, town wars,  guild vs guild  open world pvp,  sea combat ( naval combat) sieges  etc. etc.

 

And then you got the non -combat content like crafting, economy and social classes NAME IT! Which are mostly found in sandbox games while pve content like raiding and quests are more found in linear games.

Having all 3 would create awesomeness , so that's what developers need to aim for.

 

pvp is not the future of mmo's, better technology will lead to better ai.  better technologies will give better graphics and better experienced, eventually you will go into a dungeon and it will look like a real dragon.

 

PVP will never be the future, because unless every class is the same, you will N E V E R have balanced pvp, and no one gives a flying monkeys butt about unbalanced zergfests like WoW and WAR, it's a small percentage of the mmo population as a whole that enjoys that crap. 

why do you think EVE never has more than 120,000 users logged in at once? it's c piece of crap, the graphics are amazing, the gameplay is a borefest.  WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, oh did i mention WARP.  hey look i found some pirates, attack, attack, WARP AWAY THEY ARE *WAY* too powerful.

 

pvp will only ever be good in 1 genre, FPS games.  why? because that's what they are built around. EVERYBODY has the same equipment, it's PURELY based on skill.

I can't stress this enough, ANY class, race, level, and gear based game is NEVER * * * EVER * * * going to be balanced for pvp.

Lol ,  please check your facts straight instead of just babling something.  EVE has 250 k subscribers and has more subscribers then LOTRO and makes more money then let's say AOC.  making AI like you said will take some years , perhaps over 10 years we  can discuss this again.

Ten years ago, we had the same AI like now. Nothing has improved except in maybe a few mmo's like the upcoming chronicles of spellborn and DFO is saying they have a good AI. WAR has your typicial dumb mob that waits to be killed.

You probably played EVE as a solo'er? Sorry but try to play in a CORP and get some reasonable arguments before saying a game sucks. It is not for everyone but saying it is a piece of shit or a crappy game just points out that your trolling and a guy who cannot put some valid arguments.

Guildwars has a good class system that has pvp and pve skills. It has classes and levels. WAR also isn't as gear dependent and isn't really a gear dependent game like WOW .

Stop trolling and play the game you wanna play and especially leave the WAR forums because you seem to not like this game by the sound of it.

Originally posted by Mattee336

Because if not  i don't think it's really going to appeal to as many people as WoW.My GF already has said "oh that looks like a dude game".It needs to have some other great features besides the RVR PVP to take the throne.I'm not saying it's a bad game but in order to get the subs up it needs more appeal then just combat.

People like the idea that in WoW you can put your weopons to your side and do other things besides fight all the time.But other then that the game looks great I'm downloading it right now.

Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.

So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....

A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!

I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?

Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game

Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!

So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.

Originally posted by Ender4

elondor, i don't think you have really payed attention to the MMORPG genre over the past 4 years if you really believe this. WoW has gone from a PvE game with PvP tacked on to at least 50% PvP and probably more. AOC failed to keep a player population largely because of the lack of PvP systems at release.

PvP used to be a niche but now it almost a requirement to a good game release.

I think elenor hasn't played any mmo or only played WOW so perhaps he doesn't know any better.

Guild wars,DAOC, UO , EVE, and the list goes on are good examples of mmo's that can have successful pvp. I would disagree about WOW because WOW cannot be balanced around pvp since it is a completely gear based game and it is not a core part of world of warcraft. WOW= a pve game and it stays that way , even if WOTLK releases, it is a pve game and it stays that way.  It would need massive overhauls in classes, world and game play in order to go to pvp or atleast make pvp meaningful.

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Mattee336

Because if not  i don't think it's really going to appeal to as many people as WoW.My GF already has said "oh that looks like a dude game".It needs to have some other great features besides the RVR PVP to take the throne.I'm not saying it's a bad game but in order to get the subs up it needs more appeal then just combat.

People like the idea that in WoW you can put your weopons to your side and do other things besides fight all the time.But other then that the game looks great I'm downloading it right now.

 

Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.

So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....

A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!

I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?

Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game

Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!

So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.

Use your imagination mate.  Housing with flowers? Come on , you just have to use your brains and some imagination.

WAR setting for houses. Can build player  camps where you can sleep and get bonuses. In your tent you can put heads of orcs or humans or some of your loot. The camp can be destroyed by example and the attackers maybe can get some loot of what you collected.

I agree with the dancing but not with the housing. A mmorpg is a role playing game mind you and not a killing fest diablo game. If i want to just kill monsters annd players , i can play a FPS or diablo hack and slash game.  Housing is also building keeps and maybe they can siege it?  There are countless things you can think of. 

It doesn't have to be the LOTRO housing . I used to love SWG housing, reminds me of the good old days ;)

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Mattee336

Because if not  i don't think it's really going to appeal to as many people as WoW.My GF already has said "oh that looks like a dude game".It needs to have some other great features besides the RVR PVP to take the throne.I'm not saying it's a bad game but in order to get the subs up it needs more appeal then just combat.

People like the idea that in WoW you can put your weopons to your side and do other things besides fight all the time.But other then that the game looks great I'm downloading it right now.

 

Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.

So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....

A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!

I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?

Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game

Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!

So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.

Little harsh, but well said and true. Why hang out in some virtual house with some guy [posing as your in-game gf] you've never met when you can be doing the same thing in real life, with a real gf/bf.

Why would they want to encourage their players to sit in houses or dance around while their realmates are fighting the war for them..

Originally posted by D3mis3

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Mattee336

Because if not  i don't think it's really going to appeal to as many people as WoW.My GF already has said "oh that looks like a dude game".It needs to have some other great features besides the RVR PVP to take the throne.I'm not saying it's a bad game but in order to get the subs up it needs more appeal then just combat.

People like the idea that in WoW you can put your weopons to your side and do other things besides fight all the time.But other then that the game looks great I'm downloading it right now.

 

Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.

So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....

A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!

I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?

Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game

Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!

So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.

 

Little harsh, but well said and true. Why hang out in some virtual house with some guy [posing as your in-game gf] you've never met when you can be doing the same thing in real life, with a real gf/bf.

Why not remove pvp since we can also sign up for the military. Good idea, also remove economy because we can also do some economics in real life and....

Originally posted by Mattee336

I'm just saying to all those who think this game has a shot to take the throne, absolutely not.just needs to be more there to appeal to more diverse groups of people.

I most certainly hope we don't see the "I bought Warhammer so I can dance!1!" group joining Warhammer any time soon. Diverse or not.

Originally posted by elondor

Originally posted by shadenis

The above poster about EVE was correct . PVP = the future , no matter how you spin it . Pve is still AI and AI  is still superior dumb in mmo-land . You only can have raiding, story and quests and maybe some future ideas but mass companies don't wanna do that so all you see is bland raiding and bland kill x quests which aren't quest but jokes created by lazy developers.

 

PVP is a whole lot more like FFA, RVR and in those things it is factional warface, town wars,  guild vs guild  open world pvp,  sea combat ( naval combat) sieges  etc. etc.

 

And then you got the non -combat content like crafting, economy and social classes NAME IT! Which are mostly found in sandbox games while pve content like raiding and quests are more found in linear games.

Having all 3 would create awesomeness , so that's what developers need to aim for.

 

pvp is not the future of mmo's, better technology will lead to better ai.  better technologies will give better graphics and better experienced, eventually you will go into a dungeon and it will look like a real dragon.

 

PVP will never be the future, because unless every class is the same, you will N E V E R have balanced pvp, and no one gives a flying monkeys butt about unbalanced zergfests like WoW and WAR, it's a small percentage of the mmo population as a whole that enjoys that crap. 

why do you think EVE never has more than 120,000 users logged in at once? it's c piece of crap, the graphics are amazing, the gameplay is a borefest.  WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, WARP, oh did i mention WARP.  hey look i found some pirates, attack, attack, WARP AWAY THEY ARE *WAY* too powerful.

 

pvp will only ever be good in 1 genre, FPS games.  why? because that's what they are built around. EVERYBODY has the same equipment, it's PURELY based on skill.

I can't stress this enough, ANY class, race, level, and gear based game is NEVER * * * EVER * * * going to be balanced for pvp.

What a ridiculous load of crap! Yeah because obviously people dont like interacting with and fighting against each other do they! You are a member of the human race right? The most violent, blood thirsty and competitive race on the planet?

PvP will never work? You sir are one of many close-minded individuals who cannot think beyond what they have seen. Try thinking out of the box sometime.....ya never know you might actually find it refreshing. Yes many mmos that have tried to implement PvP have not done it well, usually because they are all level based pieces of crap that dont require skill to play. That doesnt mean that PvP will never work. What an utterly retarded statement to make!

So please tell me more about this small percentage of the playerbase that I have apparently been lumped into. I'm really interested in seeing the facts and figures about this. Could you also point me to where you get all this messed up information from? Please enlighten me.

I think the complete opposite of you. PvP is the natural way for online gaming to go because being able to interact with your fellow player in a realistic manner is the natural way for things to evolve. Dont worry though because games companies will still release single-player style themepark mmos for the small percentage of carebear players like yourself. Meanwhile everyone else will be playing some challenging and realistic games

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by Mattee336

I'm just saying to all those who think this game has a shot to take the throne, absolutely not.just needs to be more there to appeal to more diverse groups of people.

I most certainly hope we don't see the "I bought Warhammer so I can dance!1!" group joining Warhammer any time soon. Diverse or not.

Agreed! WAR BABY, PVP!!!

P.S. Can we paint my house pink with yellow bricks? Btw, to the harsh poster, I'll rip your balls off in my pink home when it's built on warhammer, WAR!

haha....just messin shitt...well game just got done patching, time to play.

Originally posted by shadenis

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Mattee336

Because if not  i don't think it's really going to appeal to as many people as WoW.My GF already has said "oh that looks like a dude game".It needs to have some other great features besides the RVR PVP to take the throne.I'm not saying it's a bad game but in order to get the subs up it needs more appeal then just combat.

People like the idea that in WoW you can put your weopons to your side and do other things besides fight all the time.But other then that the game looks great I'm downloading it right now.

 

Thankfully WAR doesnt have any dancing in it and I hope that particular annoying feature never gets added. I hated it in WoW.....everywhere I went I would see some dumb ass player thinking he/she was really funny simply because they could type the word /dance. It ceases to be funny after the billionth time.

So you think WAR needs to have more to do in it other than kill monsters and players do you? So you think setting off a dancing animation is a great way to pass the time? Oh no hangon lets add player housing too because then you can decorate it with flowers and fluffy carpets and then you can dance in your virtual home. Oh what fun! Never mind the fact that the game is about.....

A GOD DAMN WAR!!!!!!!

I have a better suggestion. When a player decides that they have had enough of doing what the game is designed for (killing things, going up levels, gaining phat loot and killing more things) then how about doing something else like watching a film, reading a book, visiting friends, going out.....ya know like....ummm.....other things perhaps?

Dancing emotes = wasting your time because you're bored with the game

Player houses = Sitting in a virtual room in your virtual home while you are sitting in your real room in your real home AKA wasteing your flipping time!!

So no WAR is not about dancing or doing DIY in your lovely virtual home. Its about getting a great big sword and chopping up your enemy. If you want something else to do then go and play a different game. WAR is not a "simulated world" where you can go and live to escape from mundane life, its a game where you try and kick peoples heads in.

 

Use your imagination mate.  Housing with flowers? Come on , you just have to use your brains and some imagination.

 

WAR setting for houses. Can build player  camps where you can sleep and get bonuses. In your tent you can put heads of orcs or humans or some of your loot. The camp can be destroyed by example and the attackers maybe can get some loot of what you collected.

I agree with the dancing but not with the housing. A mmorpg is a role playing game mind you and not a killing fest diablo game. If i want to just kill monsters annd players , i can play a FPS or diablo hack and slash game.  Housing is also building keeps and maybe they can siege it?  There are countless things you can think of. 

It doesn't have to be the LOTRO housing . I used to love SWG housing, reminds me of the good old days ;)

 

I was kind of over-exagerating to make a point......and that was that WAR really isnt the kind of game to have player houses. Come on its not that kind of game is it. It just doesnt have the depth for it. Everything in the game is about killing things! I'm not saying thats a bad thing of course as its what the game is all about but the general idea is that no player is ever resting and taking it easy. Its constant never ending bloody WAR.....especially as the war is being fought by armies of immortal people that never die!

But sure player housing can be good in a game geared towards roleplaying but I just dont think WAR is that game. This isnt gay old Everquest 2 where you hang your dainty little trophies on your wall and why would anyone want to bother anyway.......every moment you stand in your pointless little hut admiring some generic graphic of a dwarf head on your wall is a moment where you arent on the front lines giving the enemy some grief.

Originally posted by xfrozenx

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by Mattee336

I'm just saying to all those who think this game has a shot to take the throne, absolutely not.just needs to be more there to appeal to more diverse groups of people.

I most certainly hope we don't see the "I bought Warhammer so I can dance!1!" group joining Warhammer any time soon. Diverse or not.

 

Agreed! WAR BABY, PVP!!!

 

P.S. Can we paint my house pink with yellow bricks? Btw, to the harsh poster, I'll rip your balls off in my pink home when it's built on warhammer, WAR!

 

haha....just messin shitt...well game just got done patching, time to play.

The fireball of harsh words shall be sent crashing down on the heads of all carebears!!!
 

But aye that sounds like a fair challenge! If I see a pink house on the battlefield then you can guarantee I'll be knocking on your door with a great big axe!

.....well.....thats assuming the other hundred or so blood thirsty maniacs havent burnt it to the ground already.

By the way why do you keep saying "just messing" after you go on the attack? Grow some balls god damn it and give us some shit! Dont spoil your attack by apologising afterwards! Plunge your blade into the gut of your enemy and then twist it for good measure! We shall have no pulling of blows here sir!