I just want to say that, Ive played WoW and AoC and War.....and many other games since '98.  I dont play WoW anymore. And AoC and War are very much the same... Completly different but the same as the missed the MMO factor. Its a lvl game. AoC is more open in the sence that GW is more open.  War is very compact and as AoC is compacted to WoW, War is worse....top guilds will own all pugs. Grinding...ack on a very tight scale 100s of meters apart. They increased mob animations this week to make them harder to target...hence more difficult . I dont know what to say but the hype of 2k8 MMOs...huge let down.

Btw Im currently playing Rose Online for my compacted Lvl/economy fix. And I can make atleast a dozen arguments why Rose is better than both War and AoC on several fronts.

Orcs predated Tolkien being mentioned in the original Beowulf and most likely appearing even before then.

Originally posted by Camisado

I just want to say that, Ive played WoW and AoC and War.....and many other games since '98.  I dont play WoW anymore. And AoC and War are very much the same... Completly different but the same as the missed the MMO factor. Its a lvl game. AoC is more open in the sence that GW is more open.  War is very compact and as AoC is compacted to WoW, War is worse....top guilds will own all pugs. Grinding...ack on a very tight scale 100s of meters apart. They increased mob animations this week to make them harder to target...hence more difficult . I dont know what to say but the hype of 2k8 MMOs...huge let down.

Btw Im currently playing Rose Online for my compacted Lvl/economy fix. And I can make atleast a dozen arguments why Rose is better than both War and AoC on several fronts.

Is'nt this a thread you just posted and getting flamed on?

Rose Online (P2P)?

Ok, maybe thats why you dont like any of the mainstream games with subscriptions.

Korean mmorpgs have there purpose though. For what, I have no idea.

So if you like Rose Online, then here is a video for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fUadzVa0fc

Trolls will be Trolls..

Originally posted by Hawkaron

Eh, Warhammer wasn't a MMORPG to begin with, but WoW is and always been. How can WoW copy anything from WAR when WoW has existed since 2004 while this game isn't released yet. You might be correct about that Warcraft stole ideas from the Warhammer lore, but Warhammer the MMORPG which is a PC game stole gameplay aspects from WoW, such as the interface and that lame quest system.

Warcraft's beginnings were not MMO, there were 3 Warcraft RTS computer games released long before  WoW, and it's the concepts in those games that were ideas ripped from the tabletop game Warhammer.

So the argument WoW was an MMO first doesn't fly, due to the fact that WoW is based on the Warcraft RTS Lore, which is ripped from Warhammer... But we've ALL heard this argument time after time again.

As for WAR copying WoW's mmo features, ALL mmo's copy, modify, and build upon features of their predecessors. WoW wasn't the first MMO, it wasn't even the second,or third, fourth, etc, etc etc. But it did take ideas and concepts from all of the games before it and made MMO's more accessible for players with various gaming styles... And WAR is going to try to do the same thing, and to that I say best of luck to EA Mythic!

Originally posted by 1pitboss

The fact of the matter is orc or orks never existed before J.R.R Tolkien dreamed them up. No where in any mythos in history did they live except in his books.  Now goblins and elves and such have been with us through out history. So really they all ripped him off so thank god there was such a talented writer. Of course I should add that H.P. Lovecraft was a true genius creating a totally new mythos from nothing and could not have been as far from any human ego as one could be.

 

A couple of you have indicated this, but I thought it to be well known that Tolkien took his inspiration from the ancient English, specifically Beowulf's "orc-nass" which translates to "death-corpses". Beowulf was written around the middle of the 8th century. This would predate Tolkien's work by a few years.

I wish I'd never seen Star Wars 4,5,6.

It will never be a WOW killer. Wow could get down to 10 players and it will always be remember as the #1.. the best of all MMO'S. It will do VERY well but wont get 10million players..

Originally posted by Bruticus_XI

I used to think AoC and WAR, plus maybe Aion and some other games in 2009, would, together, deal the knockout blow to WoW.

Well, one of them tripped over the bullsh*t he kept spreading and has fallen into a pit of fail. Let's hope this next contender will pick up the slack.

Get real

How do you knock out a 11 million inches tall giant?

It will get lower, maybe down to 10 million, but nobody can knock out such a beast.

WoW is good for the MMORPG market, it get people easily into the MMORPG addiction. Later they will spread out to try other MMORPGs.

Only WoW can kill itself, WaR will grab a few folks from it but most will leave and go back to WoW, and the ppl that are waiting on WaR are ppl that have already LEFT WoW or never played it in the first place, so WoW will be lucky to lose a few 100,000.

Originally posted by Hawkaron

Eh, Warhammer wasn't a MMORPG to begin with, but WoW is and always been. How can WoW copy anything from WAR when WoW has existed since 2004 while this game isn't released yet. You might be correct about that Warcraft stole ideas from the Warhammer lore, but Warhammer the MMORPG which is a PC game stole gameplay aspects from WoW, such as the interface and that lame quest system.

-WoW wasnt an MMORPG either, I would classify it as simply an "MMO".  They completely butchered the warcraft storyline, so the "RPG" aspect withered away.  I'm only  pissed because I was a big fan of it, and I still am a Blizzard fan.

-People have to understand that the majority population of players in WoW play for one main reason; loot.  When they see purples their eyes google, no matter how shitty the item is, PvE or PvP. 

-Please note: The warcraft story, setting, characters, race-types, etc, were all taken from J. R. R. Tolkien.  Only that the Warhammer storyline was created many years ago, even before Blizzard became a company.   The stolen game aspects from WoW you speak of, they were originally taken from EQ, arguably the first mile-stone true MMORPG.

Originally posted by xenogias

I love WAR but would people please STOP posting crap like this? Anyone with half a brain knows that another game isnt going to bring down WoW. To possibly even come close to taking over WoW on the top subscriber list takes alot more than just creating a great game. BTW I dont like WoW anymore. Played WOTLK and feel its the same old BS. The expansion will still outsell WAR.

You're wrong ;)

lol, anybody with any taste in gaimes will love WAR a lot more than WoW. The latter is teetering out, everyone is having their gear wiped for the 2nd time and I don't think many can be arsed to go through the 10 level grinds once again, just for some boring end game, 1 new BG and Blizzard's renewed attempt at RvR (which looks really bad...)

The pre launch WotLK hype is already starting.

From a low 5.7 million Wow characters played daily in June to a daily 6.7 million characters in the last 3 weeks.

Stats for US/EU btw.

Build up is exactly like pre TBC launch (1 million up with a boom of 2 more million on launch).

AOC/WAR or no AOC/WAR.

Only the 0.000001 % minority of Wowhaters.COM  think otherwise. (and even they will buy WotLK secretly).

Originally posted by minutemaid

 

You're wrong ;)

 

lol, anybody with any taste in gaimes will love WAR a lot more than WoW. The latter is teetering out, everyone is having their gear wiped for the 2nd time and I don't think many can be arsed to go through the 10 level grinds once again, just for some boring end game, 1 new BG and Blizzard's renewed attempt at RvR (which looks really bad...)

Your Wow hate is legendary.

Gear in WOW is wiped every 6 months, so present day Wow players don't care.

Since when are you walking in the same pants every day  in RL ?

 Fact: WoW Stole gameplay and features from every game before it

Fact: Mythic developed more features that WoW has stolen then WAR took from anyone.

Fact: WoW was not popularized for its gameplay and grindfest's, It was word to mouth.

Fact: Everything rvr wise in Wotlk is stolen from WAR.

Fact: If WAR becomes word to mouth like WoW was....It will kill WoW....

Originally posted by TeamFortress

Originally posted by minutemaid

 

You're wrong ;)

 

lol, anybody with any taste in gaimes will love WAR a lot more than WoW. The latter is teetering out, everyone is having their gear wiped for the 2nd time and I don't think many can be arsed to go through the 10 level grinds once again, just for some boring end game, 1 new BG and Blizzard's renewed attempt at RvR (which looks really bad...)

 

Your Wow hate is legendary.

Gear in WOW is wiped every 6 months, so present day Wow players don't care.

Since when are you walking in the same pants every day  in RL ?

The very sad thing about WoW is that its mutated to item grindfest. I know that get new item in MMO is nice feeling, but when entire game is around that, the game become so flat and stupid... Thats what most ppls like and hate most in WoW. There are so many other aspects of MMO that can be combined with item achievement that are missing in WoW so its even difficult to name it MMO... Just my opinion.

Originally posted by Chiram

You want original? Hello Kitty Online. Go have fun.

Dude ur sig freaks me out, that his willy i see or his tail between his legs??????

Originally posted by minutemaid

Originally posted by xenogias

I love WAR but would people please STOP posting crap like this? Anyone with half a brain knows that another game isnt going to bring down WoW. To possibly even come close to taking over WoW on the top subscriber list takes alot more than just creating a great game. BTW I dont like WoW anymore. Played WOTLK and feel its the same old BS. The expansion will still outsell WAR.

 

You're wrong ;)

 

lol, anybody with any taste in gaimes will love WAR a lot more than WoW. The latter is teetering out, everyone is having their gear wiped for the 2nd time and I don't think many can be arsed to go through the 10 level grinds once again, just for some boring end game, 1 new BG and Blizzard's renewed attempt at RvR (which looks really bad...)

God do we really have to read your fanboi drivel all over the place? You obviously can't be objective about anything anywhere.

  Was the OP was saying that episodes 4,5,6 were better than 1,2,3?!!   

Originally posted by galad2003

  Was the OP was saying that episodes 4,5,6 were better than 1,2,3?!!   

 

They were.