Originally posted by jaxsundane

Originally posted by warrior41

Over at the official forum, the grahics threads are numerous and heated. What do you all think of the graphics of STO, are they indeed too cartoony? And not up to the standards of leading MMOs like EVE online? Do they not surpass Star Trek Legacy?

 

Too Cartoony?

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly I have no problem with the graphics to this game, I think graphics are more important to me than to some others who play mmos but I can honestly play an mmo that didn't have the best graphics for me as I have in the past with WoW and SWG, with wow the graphics were always too cartoony for me and I've never liked SWG graphics or any of SOE for that matter but the other factors I personally look for can easily outweigh the graphics as long as they aren't bad enough to take away from my experience. I would certainly not say that I don't think the graphics could look better form what I've seen but I can in no way shape or form say they are bad or in a state that I won't play.

I completely agree with jax(i will admit that the second pic is taken from a bad angle though and looks better in full).  But then since the graphics aren't even at beta  yet how can I really judge them.  I agree they could spend an absolute obscene amount of money to develop this game with absolutely stunning graphics and another obscene amount of money on the servers to run it, but then they would end up with only 5 ppl with the computing power and ISP needed to play the thing, not exactly good business sense

The graphics i've seen so far look good not a major issue here for me, but will wait and see how ppl say the game plays(much more important) before i decide if i want to play it

I really hope the developers don't give in to the very small minority that want STO to be nothing more than a star trek simualtor that only they can  and want to play

i dont care about graphics... i care about gameplay , meaning content galore not flash and no bang for your buck, seems that most companies care about is the graphics so they spend all this money on them but they left out one vital thing the gameplay. Example Star Wars Force Unleashed loved the game, beautiful graphics. but it ended so quickly and it was a let down that the most hyped game for consoles was a big disapointment cause of how quickly I could complete the game. Stop focusing on flash... graphics galore wont make it a best seller if it fails in content.....

Originally posted by firefly2003

i dont care about graphics... i care about gameplay , meaning content galore not flash and no bang for your buck, seems that most companies care about is the graphics so they spend all this money on them but they left out one vital thing the gameplay. Example Star Wars Force Unleashed loved the game, beautiful graphics. but it ended so quickly and it was a let down that the most hyped game for consoles was a big disapointment cause of how quickly I could complete the game. Stop focusing on flash... graphics galore wont make it a best seller if it fails in content.....

Damn, wish i'd read this and loaned out Force Unleashed beforehand, just payed £35 for it on the Wii lol

here's a summery of what i've read on these forums and the Official Forums..  The majority of potential gamers seem happy with the graphics and are just hoping for the content to be good now, only time will tell on that one though. i myself think the game has good graphics, my system out performs a lot of my friends who have quad core and £2,000+ systems, so awesome graphics that only a few can run don't bother me, average graphics as shown from the current screenshots are good enough for me and builds my hopes that they have concentrated more on gameplay and content which is where most developers go wrong.

Keep up the good work Cryptic, ignore the graphic bashers and continue to concentrate on gameplay, you'll get far more players that way.

i found it lie...star wars lego...

my brother used to play that crap. it turned out to be worse. i hope it will enhance the gameplay.

Kinda hard to comment on a 200*200 image of a screen thats suppose to be 1024+

Originally posted by Antaran

Originally posted by firefly2003

i dont care about graphics... i care about gameplay , meaning content galore not flash and no bang for your buck, seems that most companies care about is the graphics so they spend all this money on them but they left out one vital thing the gameplay. Example Star Wars Force Unleashed loved the game, beautiful graphics. but it ended so quickly and it was a let down that the most hyped game for consoles was a big disapointment cause of how quickly I could complete the game. Stop focusing on flash... graphics galore wont make it a best seller if it fails in content.....

 

Damn, wish i'd read this and loaned out Force Unleashed beforehand, just payed £35 for it on the Wii lol

here's a summery of what i've read on these forums and the Official Forums..  The majority of potential gamers seem happy with the graphics and are just hoping for the content to be good now, only time will tell on that one though. i myself think the game has good graphics, my system out performs a lot of my friends who have quad core and £2,000+ systems, so awesome graphics that only a few can run don't bother me, average graphics as shown from the current screenshots are good enough for me and builds my hopes that they have concentrated more on gameplay and content which is where most developers go wrong.

Keep up the good work Cryptic, ignore the graphic bashers and continue to concentrate on gameplay, you'll get far more players that way.

Well I was being honest about the Force Unleashed :P its only 10 levels that is nothing compared to older games they have put out.....I do think its time for a remake of X-Wing Vs. Tie Fighter or X-Wing Alliance..

Some folks prefer substance over looks.

But there is nothing wrong with the graphics at this time, and considering that release is at least two years off, I think there may be some improvements (Jeez the game isn't even alpha state yet, get a grip).

If you want a pretty game with little to no content, Funcom released one of those back in May, You might want to check it out. But I for one look for a well made game heavy in content and fun, pretty graphics are nice but they aren't neccesary. 

Originally posted by Soupgoblin

Some folks prefer substance over looks.

But there is nothing wrong with the graphics at this time, and considering that release is at least two years off, I think there may be some improvements (Jeez the game isn't even alpha state yet, get a grip).

If you want a pretty game with little to no content, Funcom released one of those back in May, You might want to check it out. But I for one look for a well made game heavy in content and fun, pretty graphics are nice but they aren't neccesary. 

true enough gameplay is a big factor w/ alot of games out today. i saw a few people post about starwars the force unleashed. mind u the game had a fun storyline but it was so short it was pathetic (beat the game in 8.5 hours) & with no effort put into replay / online play, im glad i just rented it.

as for STO they said there using the same engine that was used for champions online which i believe is the same one they used for CoX so have a look at those 2 games to get a idea of what to expect graphics wise.

having a graphically appealing game is awesome but you also have to remember that not everyone has a computer that is top of the line so im sure using the engine that they have they can hit a larger mmo-population than if they did like AoC did & had graphics that almost required people to go get a new comp / upgrade if they hadnt in the last year or so.

I don't necessarily think they are cartoony, but they don't capture the Star Trek look either (imho). If you watch the show, then many space scenes have a very different lightning scheme compared to we see in the screenhots from STO.

Originally posted by mattneil2004

Originally posted by Soupgoblin

Some folks prefer substance over looks.

But there is nothing wrong with the graphics at this time, and considering that release is at least two years off, I think there may be some improvements (Jeez the game isn't even alpha state yet, get a grip).

If you want a pretty game with little to no content, Funcom released one of those back in May, You might want to check it out. But I for one look for a well made game heavy in content and fun, pretty graphics are nice but they aren't neccesary. 

 

true enough gameplay is a big factor w/ alot of games out today. i saw a few people post about starwars the force unleashed. mind u the game had a fun storyline but it was so short it was pathetic (beat the game in 8.5 hours) & with no effort put into replay / online play, im glad i just rented it.

as for STO they said there using the same engine that was used for champions online which i believe is the same one they used for CoX so have a look at those 2 games to get a idea of what to expect graphics wise.

having a graphically appealing game is awesome but you also have to remember that not everyone has a computer that is top of the line so im sure using the engine that they have they can hit a larger mmo-population than if they did like AoC did & had graphics that almost required people to go get a new comp / upgrade if they hadnt in the last year or so.

I don't believe it is the same engine as CoX, but it is the same as Champions (I'll have to check to be sure though).

When I look for a game my first interest is content and story, once I am satisfied that the game has enough content and the storyline is interesting I check out the graphics (but won't exclude a game lacking modern graphics if the other two requirements meet or beat expectations).

To use an analagy:

Think of them like a woman (or a man for the ladies). S/He may be pretty, but be very shallow, a picky bitch, emotionaly flawed or have a lot of baggage that will make spending time with them very agrivating, but chances are, his/her not as pretty friend, won't have all those problems and would be a little more grateful for your attention. 

Yes, they use the same engine for all their games, this is why they were able to get art assets into their demo so quickly.

As for the graphics, I couldn't care less how cartoony they look. The visuals appeal only to the initial "wow factor" of the game, and when that wears off (by around the first week of playing), all that's left to explore is the underlying mechanics. If the mechanics are too simple, it becomes easily generalized and boring.

A lot of experienced / jaded gamers look past the graphics and are hopeful when reading about the game's features. This is because they know that good graphics =/= a good game.

So when it comes down to it, the visuals are just gravy; and not even the best gravy can cover the taste of shit-flavored gameplay.

Here's to hoping the smell of shit is not the first thing smelled when STO is open for beta.

I think the graphics look fine, the colors are a little cartoony but it doesnt look bad. Now if the combat animations are like vanguard it will be trash.  Eve was ugly I thought and I dont think it should be a standard for any space game. If you ever watch star trek you will notice that space is not ugly and bland but bright and vibrant. Their ships are perportional and not half designed like eve. Eve is small compared to alot of mmorph's I dont see why crytic would want to look at that game for anything.  Earth and beyond was better than Eve although it was lacking alot. My thoughts anyways

Originally posted by Ryker

I think the graphics look fine, the colors are a little cartoony but it doesnt look bad. Now if the combat animations are like vanguard it will be trash.  Eve was ugly I thought and I dont think it should be a standard for any space game. If you ever watch star trek you will notice that space is not ugly and bland but bright and vibrant. Their ships are perportional and not half designed like eve. Eve is small compared to alot of mmorph's I dont see why crytic would want to look at that game for anything.  Earth and beyond was better than Eve although it was lacking alot. My thoughts anyways

No idea what you're talking about.
 

EVE graphics is better, space more realistic and better looking, ships designed realisticaly and way more complex. From what i see from screenshots - it's only about half way to EVE's level.

EVE is small...I bet you won't see so many systems/regions etc in ST anyway or mechanics as complex as that of EVE.

Cartoonish looks are bad and engine looks old, but yes - game mechanics is more important anyway so if game is fun - it will do.

Anyway, the only thing ST can offer is some more intense quest/story part since EVE is all about mechanics and player-driven storyline.

Ok, the released graphics look unrefined and cartoonish. With that said, this game is only a little over 4 months into development! Look at the old alpha screen shots from EQ2, looked just like EQ. Look at the alpha shots from WoW, and it looks like a comic strip. Give the guys a break, we have a year till release. I look forward to seeing it in action around beta phase.

Originally posted by bsod77

Ok, the released graphics look unrefined and cartoonish. With that said, this game is only a little over 4 months into development! Look at the old alpha screen shots from EQ2, looked just like EQ. Look at the alpha shots from WoW, and it looks like a comic strip. Give the guys a break, we have a year till release. I look forward to seeing it in action around beta phase.

 There's no evidence the graphics shown in the trailer in not final look, they said this is how you will play it.

Originally posted by warrior41

Over at the official forum, the grahics threads are numerous and heated. What do you all think of the graphics of STO, are they indeed too cartoony? And not up to the standards of leading MMOs like EVE online? Do they not surpass Star Trek Legacy?

 

Too Cartoony?

 

 

 

 

To tell you the truth I don't know witch is better.

Originally posted by warrior41

 There's no evidence the graphics shown in the trailer in not final look, they said this is how you will play it.

You can probably count that they at least will add more effects, like lightning shadows and so on, they are usually coming in late. But the general style will be the same, and I doubt that they will get better textures.

So it should look a bit better, but if you don't like the art style now, you ain't gonna like it at release either.

I'm no develper but isn't it better to have 'core' game that works flawless on as many systems as possible? Then when that's done start adding the flashy graphics in steps to match  the increasing processing power of people's computers.

Originally posted by warrior41

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

Originally posted by warrior41

Over at the official forum, the grahics threads are numerous and heated.

 

They are numerous and heated because the same handful of people (including YOU warrior41/SAMEET) create a new thread on THE SAME TOPIC every time the discussion doesn't go their way.

I support you stating your opinion, dude, but I do NOT support trolling/spamming like an ADHD kiddie to garner attention. You're doing more harm to your cause than good by being a nuisance.

 

 I don't know, it appears you came here to spam me. there is one poster who agrees with me, and made a very funny comment about Star Trek comic book adventures.

 We will see how the reaction is to this thread.

One idiot like yourself agreed with you?

Although I definately wouldn't mine next-gen graphics, for me personally gameplay and content is what really keeps me going. Get that down right and I will keep on subbing. I don't mind changes, but never go in a direction swg has gone. They really screwed themselves over (sry for the language).

To me the whole process, the path from newbie to captain must be an adventerous one. That keeps me on the edge of my seat and keeps me playing for longer then 4 hours. The Customization imo must be very extensive and fun, upgrades to your ships etc etc. Those are very important things to me. Although next-gen graphics should be of this day and age imo, it should not go in the way AoC has done.

But enough examples were given in this thread why gameplay and content goes above everything else.
I hope Cryptic feels the same way :)

Greetz!