Over at the official forum, the grahics threads are numerous and heated. What do you all think of the graphics of STO, are they indeed too cartoony? And not up to the standards of leading MMOs like EVE online? Do they not surpass Star Trek Legacy?

Too Cartoony?

Originally posted by warrior41

Over at the official forum, the grahics threads are numerous and heated. What do you all think of the graphics of STO, are they indeed too cartoony? And not up to the standards of leading MMOs like EVE online? Do they not surpass Star Trek Legacy?

 

Too Cartoony?

 

 

 

 

I do not think that they are too cartoony at all, but then again I am not one of those flash over substance folks.  I want STO to be a good game first and foremost.  We have seen time and time again that when developers spend all their time on graphics the gameplay suffers as a result.  Look, game developers are not Pixar studios or some other cgi house.  What matters is that the gameplay is entertaining, engaging and has depth.

Originally posted by warrior41

Over at the official forum, the grahics threads are numerous and heated. What do you all think of the graphics of STO, are they indeed too cartoony? And not up to the standards of leading MMOs like EVE online? Do they not surpass Star Trek Legacy?

 

Too Cartoony?

 

 

 

 

They're alpha images, can't really critique them. The second picture looks like the Atlantis base in Stargate, horrible modeling job.

Welcome to STO combic book space adventures!  Did you guys honestly expect anything less from the Cryptic engine?

Originally posted by warrior41

Over at the official forum, the grahics threads are numerous and heated.

They are numerous and heated because the same handful of people (including YOU warrior41/SAMEET) create a new thread on THE SAME TOPIC every time the discussion doesn't go their way.

I support you stating your opinion, dude, but I do NOT support trolling/spamming like an ADHD kiddie to garner attention. You're doing more harm to your cause than good by being a nuisance.

I think the art is fine. I agree it's cartoony, but i don't mind that.

 And ebonfire the art choice isn't due to the engine. Their engine would support many varities of art styles.

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

Originally posted by warrior41

Over at the official forum, the grahics threads are numerous and heated.

 

They are numerous and heated because the same handful of people (including YOU warrior41/SAMEET) create a new thread on THE SAME TOPIC every time the discussion doesn't go their way.

I support you stating your opinion, dude, but I do NOT support trolling/spamming like an ADHD kiddie to garner attention. You're doing more harm to your cause than good by being a nuisance.

 I don't know, it appears you came here to spam me. there is one poster who agrees with me, and made a very funny comment about Star Trek comic book adventures.

 We will see how the reaction is to this thread.

Originally posted by warrior41

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

Originally posted by warrior41

Over at the official forum, the grahics threads are numerous and heated.

 

They are numerous and heated because the same handful of people (including YOU warrior41/SAMEET) create a new thread on THE SAME TOPIC every time the discussion doesn't go their way.

I support you stating your opinion, dude, but I do NOT support trolling/spamming like an ADHD kiddie to garner attention. You're doing more harm to your cause than good by being a nuisance.

 

 I don't know, it appears you came here to spam me. there is one poster who agrees with me, and made a very funny comment about Star Trek comic book adventures.

 We will see how the reaction is to this thread.

Dude, there are no less than NINE separate threads on the SAME TOPIC — three of which YOU authored (and your latest was just locked for trolling).

But no one here has to take my word for it. Go to the Star Trek Online forums (http://forums.startrekonline.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24) and look up the username SAMEET. Decide for yourselves.

I for one don't mind the graphics as they stand, they aint cartoony at all, you want cartoony check out WoW..

GAMEPLAY AND IMMERSION FIRST, GRAPHICS SECONDARY..  that's what companies should do instead of the opposite, Age of Conan is a prime example of Graphics before Gameplay.

STO looks sweet as it is, concentrate on making the gameplay Cryptic and ignore whiners who want better graphics.

Semi-Related = I still play on my 48k Spectrum from time to time as the games have the immersion that 96% of PC games are lacking.

I thought they looked very good as well...loved it.  I know they will even improve from here for those of you who don't agree (or are just looking for something to pick on for some reason this early in development).  This game has a LONG way to go yet.  See you in 2010.

I don't think they are cartoony.  Idon't think they look the way they do because they are looking for a style.  They look the way they do because A. they are a working graphic and is intended to be improved before launch or B.  This is the final but this game is way to allow as many machines to run it.  Including very old ones kids are often given as second hand to use.  Just widening the potential base

Originally posted by dethgar

Originally posted by warrior41

Over at the official forum, the grahics threads are numerous and heated. What do you all think of the graphics of STO, are they indeed too cartoony? And not up to the standards of leading MMOs like EVE online? Do they not surpass Star Trek Legacy?

 

Too Cartoony?

 

 

 

 

 

They're alpha images, can't really critique them. The second picture looks like the Atlantis base in Stargate, horrible modeling job.

The second picture looks like the Atlantis base in Stargate, horrible modeling job???    you gotta be kidding me, looks like the top of a starbase to me.

and please remember this little snippet of info, if i remember right the Wrath of Khan was the first sighting of this type of station, unsure of the date it was released but i'm pretty sure it was pre-Next Generation which ran from 1987-2004 and stargate Atlantis ran from 2004 - present day..  If anything Atlantis looks like This type of station not visa versa.. 

Hmm, yeah it looks too cartoon like for my taste. No big suprise there, Cryptic live for cartoons but a Star trek game should look a bit more... Star trek.

Bad modelling is cool if it looks 60s style like the original series but what I seen so far of this game don't have the right feel. Hope they polish it up.

Ok maybe people will think a little more if it's put this way..

WoW = Cartoony graphics  - Done so more computers can run the game and therfore the company get more subs, the game lasts longer as it has a steady income.

STO = Graphics are basic but NOT cartoony - Again so more systems can run it and therfore bring in more subs, game lasts longer due to steady income..

Hope this way of thinking can at least make people think about the longevity of the game rather than it's looks. Gameplay is all that matters to the type of people wanting to play this, if people want mega graphics and no gameplay/longevity go try out Age of Conan please. Don't get me wrong this isn't a flame against current or future people saying that the graphics are too cartoony, it's just the best way i can get the point across as to why the graphics don't look "super hot" for "super systems".

I said when cryptic did there webcast that the graphics looked comic book like and for my views on the graphical content I was slammed as a troll.

To me the graphics will not fit the future presentation of the license, J. J. Abrams is currently in the process of making the new Star trek movie with an all star cast and a much more gritty feel to the original concept of the IP. The release date for the movie may not coincide with the release of STO but it's a sure bet the eyes of the world will be on this film (slated for the 8th of may 2009)  and will set the benchmark for future publications based on the  IP, be it novels, merchandise and games will all be based on the re-imagining...but not STO .

I feel if cryptic keep with the current graphical portrayal of the universe it would alienate STO considerably from the direction that paramount are trying to take the IP.

Originally posted by jinxit

I said when cryptic did there webcast that the graphics looked comic book like and for my views on the graphical content I was slammed as a troll.

To me the graphics will not fit the future presentation of the license, J. J. Abrams is currently in the process of making the new Star trek movie with an all star cast and a much more gritty feel to the original concept of the IP. The release date for the movie may not coincide with the release of STO but it's a sure bet the eyes of the world will be on this film (slated for the 8th of may 2009)  and will set the benchmark for future publications based on the  IP, be it novels, merchandise and games will all be based on the re-imagining...but not STO .

I feel if cryptic keep with the current graphical portrayal of the universe it would alienate STO considerably from the direction that paramount are trying to take the IP.

Why would the graphics "Alienate" STO from the rest of Star Trek? Graphics don't set the standard or say whether something will or won't be part of the genre. The GAMEPLAY is what gives it the Star Trek theme not the Graphics..

If people buy STO or any other game for that matter, just for the graphics then they in for a poor life with MMORPG's.. Gameplay and Content are what draw people in, help them to have fun and generally keep them playing. Companies make games to make money,  simple fact...  

Now i personally hate World of Warcraft but i have to admit it's popularity and longevity seems to be better than any other MMORPG out. Why is this i wonder?

Could it be the outstanding graphics?        Nope, graphics are carttony and simple even on max settings, even for me.

Could it be the well known company?       don't think so, i'm probably wrong but isn't WoW Blizzards first MMO?

It's because the game can run on almost any system, not just super computers, people enjoy the gameplay and theme of it..  simply put it's Content and Gameplay that people stay for..  Wow has been going for years and is still popular, CoX has been going years and is still popular, graphics aint brill yet people still play and new players still join..  SWG had it all pre-NGE, NGE comes and completely changes GAMEPLAY, what happens..   game loses around 80%+ of it's players.

GAMEPLAY not graphics are what matter......

If cryptic cave in and submit to the "i want better graphics" style of people then the game will likely go the same way as Age of Conan,  downhill within 4 months of launch.. it'll also join the ranks of SWG which had a huge population till the gameplay got changed.. LEARN FROM THIS FACT ALONE IF NOTHING ELSE..  Graphics remained good, GAMEPLAY got changed, GAME DIED.....

Originally posted by Antaran

I for one don't mind the graphics as they stand, they aint cartoony at all, you want cartoony check out WoW..

GAMEPLAY AND IMMERSION FIRST, GRAPHICS SECONDARY..  that's what companies should do instead of the opposite, Age of Conan is a prime example of Graphics before Gameplay.

 

STO looks sweet as it is, concentrate on making the gameplay Cryptic and ignore whiners who want better graphics.

 

Semi-Related = I still play on my 48k Spectrum from time to time as the games have the immersion that 96% of PC games are lacking.

I disagree with the name of the thread, graphics might be an issues for some but certainly not foar all. While it might not be my prefered level of detail I think graphics shown is at least digestable.

Oh and yes, gameplay and immersion first - graphic second. Well said and I fully agree.

Originally posted by Antaran

Originally posted by dethgar

Originally posted by warrior41

Over at the official forum, the grahics threads are numerous and heated. What do you all think of the graphics of STO, are they indeed too cartoony? And not up to the standards of leading MMOs like EVE online? Do they not surpass Star Trek Legacy?

 

Too Cartoony?

 

 

 

 

 

They're alpha images, can't really critique them. The second picture looks like the Atlantis base in Stargate, horrible modeling job.

 

The second picture looks like the Atlantis base in Stargate, horrible modeling job???    you gotta be kidding me, looks like the top of a starbase to me.

and please remember this little snippet of info, if i remember right the Wrath of Khan was the first sighting of this type of station, unsure of the date it was released but i'm pretty sure it was pre-Next Generation which ran from 1987-2004 and stargate Atlantis ran from 2004 - present day..  If anything Atlantis looks like This type of station not visa versa.. 

http://www.scifidesktop.org.uk/gallery/albums/sci-fi/worldwide/Stargate-Atlantis/Stargate-Atlantis_016.jpg

Now, tell me the top of that outpost doesn't look like Atlantis.

http://services.tos.net/pics/st2/st2-regula.gif

This is a Starfleet outpost station from Wrath.

Originally posted by Kaiserjager

Originally posted by Antaran

GAMEPLAY AND IMMERSION FIRST, GRAPHICS SECONDARY..  that's what companies should do instead of the opposite, Age of Conan is a prime example of Graphics before Gameplay.

 

STO looks sweet as it is, concentrate on making the gameplay Cryptic and ignore whiners who want better graphics.

 

Semi-Related = I still play on my 48k Spectrum from time to time as the games have the immersion that 96% of PC games are lacking.

 

I disagree with the name of the thread, graphics might be an issues for some but certainly not foar all. While it might not be my prefered level of detail I think graphics shown is at least digestable.

Oh and yes, gameplay and immersion first - graphic second. Well said and I fully agree.

I don't understand why people are willing to settle like this.   Game play first- graphics second.   I want both.

This mentality will cause companies "not" to see a need to create a game with both.  I am talking about games that not only looks great, but play and run smoothly.  (reduced lag)  This type of game would account for a lot of prep work and cost.

If 5-10 million people play a MMO game, they could generate a lot of revenue each month.   With those numbers we should demand more from them.  If we settle for second rate graphics...companies will see this as an opportunity  to reduce cost.    Until enough players scream-  the status-quo will remain.

Originally posted by Toadmonkey

Originally posted by Kaiserjager

Originally posted by Antaran

GAMEPLAY AND IMMERSION FIRST, GRAPHICS SECONDARY..  that's what companies should do instead of the opposite, Age of Conan is a prime example of Graphics before Gameplay.

 

STO looks sweet as it is, concentrate on making the gameplay Cryptic and ignore whiners who want better graphics.

 

Semi-Related = I still play on my 48k Spectrum from time to time as the games have the immersion that 96% of PC games are lacking.

 

I disagree with the name of the thread, graphics might be an issues for some but certainly not foar all. While it might not be my prefered level of detail I think graphics shown is at least digestable.

Oh and yes, gameplay and immersion first - graphic second. Well said and I fully agree.

I don't understand why people are willing to settle like this.   Game play first- graphics second.   I want both.

This mentality will cause companies "not" to see a need to create a game with both.  Talking about games that not only looks great, but play and run smoothly.  (reduced lag)  This type of game would account for a lot of prep work and cost.

If 5-10 million people play a MMO game, they could generate a lot of revenue each month.   With those numbers we should demand more from them.  If we settle for second rate graphics...companies will see this as an opportunity  to reduce cost.    Until enough players scream-  the status-quo will remain.

 

 

You want both and thats a fair enough statement, i think everyone would like to have both but look at the market these days..  games with lower graphic requirements have the immersion and gameplay where as the games with super or good graphics suffer. One of the reasons for this is cause not everyone has a super computer, this in turn means the company can concentrate on gameplay and provide decent graphics without going overboard, which will run on more systems, hence more income as they'll be more players paying sub fees. Also, over the past 5-7 years that i've played MMORPG's only SWG contained both Gameplay and good graphics Pre-NGE. Some might argue this truth, fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinions, the simple fact is that if Cryptic release the game with the graphics shown (both on website and from the webcast trailer) then they will recieve more subscriptions as many more systems will be able to run the game, again this will depend on the Content, Gameplay and Immersion in the end..  How many people pre-ordered Age of Conan and have left it now?  i'd estimate about 50%+ of the population from the first week of it's launch..  this was because the game devs had centered their focus on making the graphics supreme yet the content etc was lacking, bugged or missing.. SWG had good graphics and required a decent system to run the game smoothly, the devs completely changed the gameplay with the NGE and over 75% of people left.. again, it's the gameplay that draws people not the graphics or SWG would still be strong today.. i hate doing this as i hate WoW but again i have to mention the simple fact that it's GAMEPLAY draws people in yet the graphics are rubbish and cartoony.