click here to see video

For all thoses who say VG is on life support only.

This video highlights what has been done since 2007.

There is a seperate video for what is coming:

click here to see video

Maintenance and patches only, I don't think so...

The dwarf on the poor boar looked crazy.

 AFAIK another big thing the devs worked on, was creating tools for developing the game, which were simply missing.

Nice video (s), nice post.

Every time I see a daylight screenshot or video of Vanguard I get the same bad feeling. The world looks so fake; something is missing: where are the shadows?

We are in 2008 and this crappy game engine still doesn't have object shadows. Houses, objects, etc... have no shadows... How could they release such an unfinished game?

And I'm not even talking about water reflections, etc... which are even basic game engine features in free 2 play games today. I'm only asking for the most basic thing : shadows. The game looks great at night, but when the sun is high or inside buildings with lights it's so bad...

Originally posted by BigMango

Every time I see a daylight screenshot or video of Vanguard I get the same bad feeling. The world looks so fake; something is missing: where are the shadows?

We are in 2008 and this crappy game engine still doesn't have object shadows. Houses, objects, etc... have no shadows... How could they release such an unfinished game?

And I'm not even talking about water reflections, etc... which are even basic game engine features in free 2 play games today. I'm only asking for the most basic thing : shadows. The game looks great at night, but when the sun is high or inside buildings with lights it's so bad...

You actually think you have a computer that can play vanguard with shadows on everything. now thats funny .

Originally posted by Saggra

Originally posted by BigMango

Every time I see a daylight screenshot or video of Vanguard I get the same bad feeling. The world looks so fake; something is missing: where are the shadows?

We are in 2008 and this crappy game engine still doesn't have object shadows. Houses, objects, etc... have no shadows... How could they release such an unfinished game?

And I'm not even talking about water reflections, etc... which are even basic game engine features in free 2 play games today. I'm only asking for the most basic thing : shadows. The game looks great at night, but when the sun is high or inside buildings with lights it's so bad...

 

You actually think you have a computer that can play vanguard with shadows on everything. now thats funny .

lol...

Good point

Originally posted by EbonHawk

Originally posted by Saggra

Originally posted by BigMango

Every time I see a daylight screenshot or video of Vanguard I get the same bad feeling. The world looks so fake; something is missing: where are the shadows?

We are in 2008 and this crappy game engine still doesn't have object shadows. Houses, objects, etc... have no shadows... How could they release such an unfinished game?

And I'm not even talking about water reflections, etc... which are even basic game engine features in free 2 play games today. I'm only asking for the most basic thing : shadows. The game looks great at night, but when the sun is high or inside buildings with lights it's so bad...

 

You actually think you have a computer that can play vanguard with shadows on everything. now thats funny .

lol...

Good point

I'm a little confused by this point that BigMango is making about no shadows in the game .I checked last time he said this and there are shadows .I saw shadows on tree's and cliffs?What exactly does he mean ?
 

yes, you really don't want to play with shadows on

but do play with the fog effects as that really improves the look - surprisingly so - just wish there was a slider for this instead of having to fiddle with commands in the chat window every time you log in (though you can make a macro i think - never learned how to do that in my month of playing)

as for water - horrible - it can look decent from a distance but close up or actually in it you give up all pretense that it is the real thing

Originally posted by bcrankshaw

I'm a little confused by this point that BigMango is making about no shadows in the game .I checked last time he said this and there are shadows .I saw shadows on tree's and cliffs?What exactly does he mean ?
 

No there are NO object shadows.

Characters and trees have shadows. But objects don't. Buildings, houses, furniture, cliffs, stones, have no shadow.

Just look at any screenshot or video. Cities, objects,...  look bland and fake.

If you have only played Vanguard you maybe didn't realize it. I suggest you try out a finished game for once, and you'll see.

Originally posted by Saggra
 

You actually think you have a computer that can play vanguard with shadows on everything. now thats funny .

I'm sorry for you if you are playing on some old hardware.

I have played Vanguard during beta and the first month of release (and tried it out again last month). I have always played with all of the settings maxed out, antialiasiang forced in the gfx display drivers (as the crappy VG engine still doesn't support antialiasing - wow the jaggy lines all over the screen are nice, we are in 2008 aren't we ?????) and anisotropic filtering 16x. To get even better visual quality than what is available in game I have also edited the ini file to display much bigger drawing distances (for grass, trees, objects, mobs, etc...). This since beta. And I never had any performance problems with this game.

And this was 1 and a half year ago, with an older PC than this one - I had an ati x1900xt512 (I have since upgraded the cpu, the ram and the gfx card). Today we are in 2008 for Christ's sake.

So yes, I can play with shadows and even ,much more detail on screen. Even AoC with much better gfx is no problem with everything maxed out.

Sorry, but I have to laugh hard when people with old PCs that can barely play Wow tell me "You actually think you have a computer that can play vanguard with shadows on everything. now thats funny". Yes you are very funny, indeed.

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Originally posted by BigMango

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Originally posted by bcrankshaw

I'm a little confused by this point that BigMango is making about no shadows in the game .I checked last time he said this and there are shadows .I saw shadows on tree's and cliffs?What exactly does he mean ?
 

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No there are NO object shadows.
Characters and trees have shadows. But objects don't. Buildings, houses, furniture, cliffs, stones, have no shadow.
Just look at any screenshot or video. Cities, objects,...  look bland and fake.
If you have only played Vanguard you maybe didn't realize it. I suggest you try out a finished game for once, and you'll see.

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I am sorry to say this but if thats the best arguement you have for not playing a game, then you will never be happy with any game.

I think VG looks beautiful and I play with everything turned on, very little lag except in certain cities.

Same old argument, game not finished, if you look at any MMORPG you can pick fault and pull to pieces.

The videos make me want to return to Vanguard.

I was talking about this with my brother the other day, who is an avid gamer (not "hardcore" or "raider) like me since we both started EQ. 

Do the following so we can all return:

1. More polish and stability
2. Make the world feel more real; it is huge and massive:  hunting, fishing, more "life"
3. End-game for max level:  group content, group quests, group dungeons; epic quests (combine group and solo play); more "stuff" to do when people hit max level

I would really love to come back.  I really would.  But right now, at max level, not much for me to do!

Originally posted by metalcore

 

 

I am sorry to say this but if thats the best arguement you have for not playing a game, then you will never be happy with any game.

I think VG looks beautiful and I play with everything turned on, very little lag except in certain cities.

Same old argument, game not finished, if you look at any MMORPG you can pick fault and pull to pieces.

Yes, of course every game has its problems.

I am talking about the shadows because this is what hurts my eyes so obvisouly every time I see a video or a screenshot about Vanguard. I think the problem is that they went for very realistic looking graphics, this is why the missing things like the object shadows are poping out so obviously. I always have this bad feeling like something is missing. At night it looks great though.

2 of the other important issues for me are the poorly implemented slow/boring combat (I like it fast and furious) and the lousy animations (what is this lousy barbie doll jumping animation ????)

It's not much. If they fix this, making the game fun to play with attractive/fun fast combat I'll embrace the game in a heart beat.

Originally posted by BigMango

Every time I see a daylight screenshot or video of Vanguard I get the same bad feeling. The world looks so fake; something is missing: where are the shadows?

We are in 2008 and this crappy game engine still doesn't have object shadows. Houses, objects, etc... have no shadows... How could they release such an unfinished game?

And I'm not even talking about water reflections, etc... which are even basic game engine features in free 2 play games today. I'm only asking for the most basic thing : shadows. The game looks great at night, but when the sun is high or inside buildings with lights it's so bad...

I never really noticed the house shadows to be honest, but I do know that mountains and city walls cast shadow. The shadow may not be an obvious dark area on the ground with a darker outline drawn around it, but I have seen shadows. Rent a flying mount on Kojan, for example, and fly through some of the valleys there. You go from blinding sunlight in one moment and then as you pass behind the mountain the world has a darker feel. It reminds me of walking through some of the think pine forests where I grew up as a kid... I was always glad to get back into the sunlight.

Shadows are nice to have in a game, though. I love running through a forest and seeing the tree shadows swaying on the ground when the wind picks up right before a storm hits. If I had to chose between two eye candy features though, I'd give up shadows in a second as long as it meant keeping the approaching weather effects. Seeing a storm approaching to me greatly outweighs and feelings associated with shadows.

One cool thng about shadows is that flying creatures have shadows.  The other day I was playing and saw a vague shadow flying across the ground and looked up and saw a flying creature soar past.  Since it was purple I as glad that it musta been flying too high to notice me.

I can't believe your complaining about the graphics of Vanguard.  It was some of the best out there depending on what your computer can handle.  There are a few graphical bugs here and there, and some areas are more "polished" than others, but i'd hardly complain.  The trees and grass move, and what is this talk about shadows.  There are shadows everywhere.... 

I don't see the slow combat stuff either.  Try playing a monk, its fast and exciting.  There are slower classes, as is the case with every fantasy team build mmo.  I've played numerous fantasy mmo's from LOTRO, Everquest, EQII, WoW, Guild Wars, and Ryzom and this game has more content and variety of things and places.  You can easily level 2-3 toons and never do the same quests, plus crafting is challenging and rewarding, and then there's diplomacy - an addictive way to level and again, not too easy, and extremely rewarding.

Originally posted by BigMango

Originally posted by metalcore

 

 

I am sorry to say this but if thats the best arguement you have for not playing a game, then you will never be happy with any game.

I think VG looks beautiful and I play with everything turned on, very little lag except in certain cities.

Same old argument, game not finished, if you look at any MMORPG you can pick fault and pull to pieces.

 

Yes, of course every game has its problems.

I am talking about the shadows because this is what hurts my eyes so obvisouly every time I see a video or a screenshot about Vanguard. I think the problem is that they went for very realistic looking graphics, this is why the missing things like the object shadows are poping out so obviously. I always have this bad feeling like something is missing. At night it looks great though.

2 of the other important issues for me are the poorly implemented slow/boring combat (I like it fast and furious) and the lousy animations (what is this lousy barbie doll jumping animation ????)

It's not much. If they fix this, making the game fun to play with attractive/fun fast combat I'll embrace the game in a heart beat.

You might want to try Age of Conan. At least in the graphic & animation department you wont find anything better atm. Also combat is a lot more faster paced aka you have to mash buttons like crazy.

Im sure youll find there a setting where even your  computer will go to its knees.

Originally posted by BigMango

Originally posted by Saggra
 

You actually think you have a computer that can play vanguard with shadows on everything. now thats funny .

 

I'm sorry for you if you are playing on some old hardware.

I have played Vanguard during beta and the first month of release (and tried it out again last month). I have always played with all of the settings maxed out, antialiasiang forced in the gfx display drivers (as the crappy VG engine still doesn't support antialiasing - wow the jaggy lines all over the screen are nice, we are in 2008 aren't we ?????) and anisotropic filtering 16x. To get even better visual quality than what is available in game I have also edited the ini file to display much bigger drawing distances (for grass, trees, objects, mobs, etc...). This since beta. And I never had any performance problems with this game.

And this was 1 and a half year ago, with an older PC than this one - I had an ati x1900xt512 (I have since upgraded the cpu, the ram and the gfx card). Today we are in 2008 for Christ's sake.

So yes, I can play with shadows and even ,much more detail on screen. Even AoC with much better gfx is no problem with everything maxed out.

Sorry, but I have to laugh hard when people with old PCs that can barely play Wow tell me "You actually think you have a computer that can play vanguard with shadows on everything. now thats funny". Yes you are very funny, indeed.

Dont be sorry ive been playing vanguard every setting maxed at 1920x1200 sence day 1
 

What is this?

I thougth the general consensus was that Vanguard was unorthodoxly unoptimized?

But whatever suits your argument I guess.

Originally posted by Shol

Originally posted by BigMango

Originally posted by metalcore

 

 

I am sorry to say this but if thats the best arguement you have for not playing a game, then you will never be happy with any game.

I think VG looks beautiful and I play with everything turned on, very little lag except in certain cities.

Same old argument, game not finished, if you look at any MMORPG you can pick fault and pull to pieces.

 

Yes, of course every game has its problems.

I am talking about the shadows because this is what hurts my eyes so obvisouly every time I see a video or a screenshot about Vanguard. I think the problem is that they went for very realistic looking graphics, this is why the missing things like the object shadows are poping out so obviously. I always have this bad feeling like something is missing. At night it looks great though.

2 of the other important issues for me are the poorly implemented slow/boring combat (I like it fast and furious) and the lousy animations (what is this lousy barbie doll jumping animation ????)

It's not much. If they fix this, making the game fun to play with attractive/fun fast combat I'll embrace the game in a heart beat.

 

You might want to try Age of Conan. At least in the graphic & animation department you wont find anything better atm. Also combat is a lot more faster paced aka you have to mash buttons like crazy.

Im sure youll find there a setting where even your  computer will go to its knees.

lol ...lol

Good one Shol..really funny

Yes AOC is an option....lets see..broken game ,unbalanced pvp....no high level contect ,terrible community and whole guilds that have left ....yes good one ..lol

I needed that joke ...thx :)

Glad you liked it.

Well, maybe graphic isnt so ub0r important for some people.