Originally posted by Lance08

AoC is the biggest disaster of the MMO world hands down.

 

Now, now.   Let's keep things in perspective.   Funcom did release a working (somewhat) game.    That puts them ahead of non-releases like Gods and Heroes. 

And Funcom remains an operating company after the game's launch.  That puts them ahead of Sigil and Vanguard. 

And they don't have a batty lead developer who is going into space and taking player's DNA with them like Tabula Rasa. 

The one game that REALLY deserves the biggest disaster of MMORPGs still belongs to Dark and Light.    Remember how they kept charging players who tried to quit?    Then they get sued for stealing code?    

Sure AoC may have problems but there are bigger trainwrecks in the history of MMORPGs    It's important to keep the 'bottom of the barrel' at the right scale.   It serves as a calibration. 

Of course, that's not an excuse for Funcom in making a game with enough problems that it has be compared to those failures just so one can say it's not as bad as them.

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Lance08

AoC is the biggest disaster of the MMO world hands down.

 

Now, now.   Let's keep things in perspective.   Funcom did release a working (somewhat) game.    That puts them ahead of non-releases like Gods and Heroes. 

And Funcom remains an operating company after the game's launch.  That puts them ahead of Sigil and Vanguard. 

Sigil is still in charge of Vanguard, they just have SOE funds now.

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Lance08

AoC is the biggest disaster of the MMO world hands down.

 

Now, now.   Let's keep things in perspective.   Funcom did release a working (somewhat) game.    That puts them ahead of non-releases like Gods and Heroes. 

And Funcom remains an operating company after the game's launch.  That puts them ahead of Sigil and Vanguard. 

And they don't have a batty lead developer who is going into space and taking player's DNA with them like Tabula Rasa. 

The one game that REALLY deserves the biggest disaster of MMORPGs still belongs to Dark and Light.    Remember how they kept charging players who tried to quit?    Then they get sued for stealing code?    

Sure AoC may have problems but there are bigger trainwrecks in the history of MMORPGs    It's important to keep the 'bottom of the barrel' at the right scale.   It serves as a calibration. 

Of course, that's not an excuse for Funcom in making a game with enough problems that it has be compared to those failures just so one can say it's not as bad as them.

No way.. Dark and Light is the champ of Epic Fail and probably will be for a long time.

Let's see.  AOC does deserve it's crap.  I honestly don't want the game to be a disaster, but then that would mean Funcom recovered and is now squeezing money out of people again.

The game is bad enough that it should be a disaster.  It makes me sad that a game like Auto Assault, made by the good company of NC Soft  failed.  Yet a game like AOC, run by the worst company ever, could possibly survive.

I don't want the AOC dead.  I want Funcom dead.  I wan't Funcom to get bought out by SOE.  Then I want SOE to fix Conan.  the fix will probably change everything in the game to something generic, but if Conan keeps its graphics, lore, and combat engine, I am all happy.  I don't care if the game is turned into a PvE game or all PvP.  Honestly if SOE took over right now, could they possibly make things any worst?

I'm angry that Funcom still keeps itself alive after 3 MMO launch failures.  Seeing them do the same mistakes and scams over and over upsets me.  Seeing a gem of a game ruined just really pisses me off.  I hate seeing peoples work wasted.  All the artist who started this project have been screwed.  Half of them can't even use this game as resume material because it was such a failure.  Seeing one of my favorite comic franchises disgraced by this company really pisses me off.  Now we got 2 crappy movies and a crappy game based around Conan.  <sigh>

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Lance08

AoC is the biggest disaster of the MMO world hands down.

 

Now, now.   Let's keep things in perspective.   Funcom did release a working (somewhat) game.    That puts them ahead of non-releases like Gods and Heroes. 

Core Mechanics Broken : Stats,Skills,Feats,Itemization

And Funcom remains an operating company after the game's launch.  That puts them ahead of Sigil and Vanguard. 

Sigil was bought out and sold out totally different thing, difference here no one woudl actually buy this off them and they know it.

And they don't have a batty lead developer who is going into space and taking player's DNA with them like Tabula Rasa. 

No true hes not using cheap marketing tricks, Funcoms Lead just out right lies, he delusional.

The one game that REALLY deserves the biggest disaster of MMORPGs still belongs to Dark and Light.    Remember how they kept charging players who tried to quit?    Then they get sued for stealing code?  

This i agree with to a extent but it doent come close to the hype and player mass dealth with here in comparison but yes this is a very smiliar case just on a much smaller level.

Sure AoC may have problems but there are bigger trainwrecks in the history of MMORPGs    It's important to keep the 'bottom of the barrel' at the right scale.   It serves as a calibration. 

Sorry i actually dont think so with everything taken into consideration this will go down in history as the beginning of the end for Funcom, regardless of them making new MMOs , we are the ones that own these companys they run off our world wide MMO community and word of mouth to be sustained and we the people have decided that this is SCANDAL. /Veto

Of course, that's not an excuse for Funcom in making a game with enough problems that it has be compared to those failures just so one can say it's not as bad as them.

Think again.

Originally posted by clamdip

"AOC deserves some crap YES, disaster NO "

No disaster Yes. I gave up after reaching lvl 70 and just couldn't see myself grinding anymore Villas. God what a drag, I had high hopes for this one. You hit lvl 20 and the game starts falling apart.

That aint true. Game is still good after level 20. It's just the mid-range and last levels that are a pain.

Secondly, If an MMO with lacking game play for certain levels is your definition of a disaster, then WOW, EQ2 (you name it) where disasters. Please name one MMO that had good content from lowest level to the highest just after release.

 

Originally posted by Urrelles

Let's see.  AOC does deserve it's crap.  I honestly don't want the game to be a disaster, but then that would mean Funcom recovered and is now squeezing money out of people again.

The game is bad enough that it should be a disaster.  It makes me sad that a game like Auto Assault, made by the good company of NC Soft  failed.  Yet a game like AOC, run by the worst company ever, could possibly survive.

I don't want the AOC dead.  I want Funcom dead.  I wan't Funcom to get bought out by SOE.  Then I want SOE to fix Conan.  the fix will probably change everything in the game to something generic, but if Conan keeps its graphics, lore, and combat engine, I am all happy.  I don't care if the game is turned into a PvE game or all PvP.  Honestly if SOE took over right now, could they possibly make things any worst?

 

I'm angry that Funcom still keeps itself alive after 3 MMO launch failures.  Seeing them do the same mistakes and scams over and over upsets me.  Seeing a gem of a game ruined just really pisses me off.  I hate seeing peoples work wasted.  All the artist who started this project have been screwed.  Half of them can't even use this game as resume material because it was such a failure.  Seeing one of my favorite comic franchises disgraced by this company really pisses me off.  Now we got 2 crappy movies and a crappy game based around Conan.  <sigh>

They only have 2 mmos, not 3.
 

And get ready for the next crappy Conan movie, as Funcom is apparently helping to finance Lionsgates new movie so they can tie the movie and game together.

"I havent played AOC for months."

"But in a longer perspective, AOC has really improved since launch."

Say what?

Originally posted by Slampig

"I havent played AOC for months."

 

"But in a longer perspective, AOC has really improved since launch."

 

 Say what?

Just go with the flow, common sense doesn't apply to this thread.

Originally posted by Slampig

"I havent played AOC for months."

 

"But in a longer perspective, AOC has really improved since launch."

 

Say what?

Well, I'm just playing the game casual trying out different classes. I really ment that I haven't done any serious playing (spending hours per day).

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Lance08

AoC is the biggest disaster of the MMO world hands down.

 

Now, now.   Let's keep things in perspective.   Funcom did release a working (somewhat) game.    That puts them ahead of non-releases like Gods and Heroes. 

And Funcom remains an operating company after the game's launch.  That puts them ahead of Sigil and Vanguard. 

 

Sigil is still in charge of Vanguard, they just have SOE funds now.

Sigil had SOE fund long before the ugliest launch in AAA MMO history. That is why SOE took it over.  Strangely, VG is a pretty darn good game now. I agree the the poster who wrote the post you quoted. AOC is NO WHERE NEAR the worst launch in MMO history nor the worst game, or the worst disaster. Look at God's and Heroes; did not even release and still got sued.

If you picked up a copy of AOC and started playing today without seeing all the hate or knowing what was missed it is a far better game than many, many MMOs. I am not a fanboi either, I like lots of other MMOs and cannot wait for WAR after being in the CB. That being said, I used to defend LOTRO against the haters as well.  AOC is not a crap game even though it has bugs and fixes that are still being worked on and the company phylosophy sucks.

I refuse to play on AOC PVP servers due to the community so I do not have much to add as far as what is good or bad with the open PVP. WAR RVR is far superior regardless.

I think EVERY MMO release out there has had a sub-set, be it large or small, that bashes the game because not all games will appeal to all people and the opposing forces, especially here, become a rabid mob either trolling, bashing or defending the game of choice. There is very little middle ground.

If you think that AoC is not considered a disaster game, then you standards are just way too low man. Or you probably never had any experience with the way Funcom threat their customers. Even scams like they stole money from peoples credit cards before their subscriptions ran out. Nah, you be a fool to not think that AoC is worse than worst piece of shit that have ever been made.

And this is not biased view, this the truth. You can check around the forums, and you will see that many people experienced the same things I did. I dont gain anything from lying, so why would I?

Originally posted by dougmysticey

I think EVERY MMO release out there has had a sub-set, be it large or small, that bashes the game because not all games will appeal to all people and the opposing forces, especially here, become a rabid mob either trolling, bashing or defending the game of choice. There is very little middle ground.

I can't agree more. Well said.

I don't know.  Dark and Light and Vanguard while semi popular, didn't have a market share like Conan.  800K is probably  D&L and Van's combined original signups.

Age of Conan could have been huge if they had done things right.  They opened close or better than WoW and if you consider the requirements for the computer to run it, it would have been huge.  Now instead it's a prime example of what not to do.

The shear numbers make AoC the biggest disaster of MMOs because the promise of what could have been.

Originally posted by Crusher

I wont deny that I'm in some way is disappointed in AOC. I was drawn into the hype and defended the
game on the forums. I even flamed in the WAR section, not evening knowing what I was talking about.

I havent played AOC for months. Not that I dislike the game, but rather that I'm sick of MMOs
and other games for the moment (I have pre-ordered WAR).

Funcom should get a kick in the butt for all there promises etc, I can agree with that.
Also the game engine seems to be written in spagetti-code. The devs change, fix or
add stuff in one section of the game, just to break another part of the game. That happens
easily when the foundation of the core code is hastly written and not object oriented.
Instead of using scripts, they are probably adding game logic directly into the code core.

Funcom aimed really high with AOC, and are now paying the price for it.

But in a longer perspective, AOC has really improved since launch. And the upcoming
features look great. Funcom doesnt deny that they are looking at the good stuff of other MMOs
trying to duplicate the features into there own game. This is in some way bad, since the
core of the game has to be modified in an extent It wasnt built orginally for.
But, on the other hand it's good thing since they dont let the game engine limit
what they can bring into the game.

AOC deserves some crap (I agree with that), but at the moment AOC it getting a really ridiculus
amount of crap that is not really fair. The game is not a disaster. The graphics and sound
is awesome, and I really like the inital PvE of the game. The PvP is a mess, which I hope
and belive they will fix. It just need some time.

At the moment I'm taking a break from all MMOs. I've pre-ordered WAR and will check it out
when it's released. But after being burned by the AOC hype, I don't have to high hopes
about WAR. Not that I belive it is unstabled, unbalanced, bad PvP, but rather that I frankly
have never played a MMO that lives up to the hype at release.

It takes years for MMOs to mature. WOW is great in it's own way, but lack the graphics and
sound of todays modern hardware. Same goes to EQ2, which has become a really nice.

At the moment, AOC has some aces in there deck of cards. The graphic in the game
is modern and will look great for years. Secondly, I find the melee combat system to
be plain awesome. I don't know any other MMO who can compete with those to
facts. Just give AOC some time (1-2 years), and It will be one of the bests MMOs
on the market.

This is the difference between a fanboy such as yourself and an unbiased gamer such as myself. You flame WAR without it even being launched in an unfair, uneducated, and pointless flame before the game has even been released. Beta's don't count; they are for testing and fixing. I flame on AOC after trying it for 30 days and giving Funcom a fair chance to at least deliver a halfway decent game. AOC is not only a crappy game, probably one of the worst MMO's I've tried outside of Horizons, it is also backed by extremely poor customer service and a company that is both dishonest and disingenuous to it's customers.
 

You bring up WoW. Why? What does WoW have to do with AOC? Fanboy's love to bash on WoW's graphics because it doesn't stress today's (or yesterdays for that matter) hardware. So what? Graphically they went a different direction than EQ2 and AOC. And guess what? It worked. They used ART to design their game, and succedded splendidly. A seamless world that is open to explore and colorful, and in many areas down-right beautiful, is what WoW is.

AoC's graphics are as disappointing as it's gameplay. Characters all look the same, animals such as horses and other mobs look downright ridiculous. As demanding as the game is on hardware, I expected awesome graphics. Compared to Crysis, Bioshock, Callof Duty4, Oblivion, FEAR, and even Halflife2, AOC's graphics are gimp. For an MMO that is as extensivly instanced as AOC is, I expected much better graphics. From weapons, to mob/character animations, to armor and even character graphics, AOC does not deliver.

Funcom delivered on nothing, and they do not deserve 2-3 years of time to get it right, and AOC will never be right no matter how many years they try to patch it up. It is a failure of monumental proportions on almost every level, backed by a company that has no direction and treats it's dwindling player base poorly. Bugs at launch I can take, and even expect. I can forgive that. But being lied to, treated poorly, and dealing with both a company and GM's that have no clear direction on where their MMO is headed I cannot take. Not to mention releasing a game that is not even half finished.

AOC is garbage, and Funcom deserves every bit of flak they are getting.

Originally posted by ackmhed

This is the difference between a fanboy such as yourself and an unbiased gamer such as myself. You flame WAR without it even being launched in an unfair, uneducated, and pointless flame before the game has even been released. Beta's don't count; they are for testing and fixing.

I think you got it wrong. I flamed WAR before, but now I'm actually looking forward to play the game.
But being burned by the AOC hype, I'm very careful in having to high hopes about WAR. It will have it's strong side (just like AOC), but also weak side. It's just a fact.

Originally posted by Ed2099

I'll take MMO disasters for $50 Alex.

What MMO release in 2008 lost half its player base in the first month after massive hype of non existent features?

Best post in this thread

AoC / FC deserves every bit of flack, and then some.

How do you go from the initial, hugely positive feel from the massive number of players on release, to the disaster we have now?  The majority of core issues that plague AoC are still the same from release (gameplay and technical).  Then there's the stuff that FC breaks from their own patching, which adds even more s**t to the big pile of s**t that FC needs to feed off of.

***IF*** this game gets fixed, I'd be intrigued to give it another shot.  But until then, feel free to fling poo at AoC and Failcom.

Two months ago i would have agreed with the OP. But 3 months of promises they never keep and patches that are so bad I wish they would just stop patching and roll the servers back 2 months is just terrible.

This game could have been so much more if it only had good management behind it. Its almost like they want this game to fail the way they do things.

And I dont mind dangling a carrot in front of us if we eventually get the carrot but this is just completely uncalled  for. How can any company release a PVP oreiented game with the main PVP core mechanics missing???

Ya, I have recently bought a time card for AoC (Didn't trust them with my CC) and I've been having some fun, might just be because I'm lv 16 though. I've basically only seen like 5 or so people in an area at a time. Might be bigger once I leave Tortage though. But even so this game isn't really that fun in my opinion. It's got talent yes, but it just seems like it's missing something. Maybe it's because I'm expecting after lv 20 that I'll be bored?

They show only interest in your money and hope some or alot believe there hype till the stock holders report that has to come showing desaster and my guess just not supporting it.