Go check out the Darkfall forums.  As shocking as it is they have released an extensive gameplay video and are accepting Beta signups as of today.  The graphics are DECENT,  not great, but the gameplay is incredible.

Don't forget that Darkfall is even more wide open and sandboxy than Pre-CU SWG was.  It is 100% skill-based.  Go check out the Darkfall forums and watch the videos.

I've purposely stayed away from paying any attention to Darkfall because I didn't want to fall into any hype. But I have to say I'm pretty impressed with the videos - particularily the cavalry charge in the last portion (part 6 on youtube). I really like the "gritty" feel of this game, however I would have liked to have seen more insight into the UI and any non-combat related roles.

This video certainly piqued my interest.

   There it goes, it's not starwars but it's the best we are gonna have to deal with I guess.  Thank god 2 no more of this Cookie Cutter BS! 

Yea I've been looking at it since yesterday and been being filled in by a couple of friends of mine who are also former SWGers and it sounds as good as it may get.

sounds good but its still not Star Wars :(

what the hell does darkfall have to do with swg and its sandbox feel? nice way to lure people into your post. good job on subterfuge.

Im still DLing the vid but if you want a sandbox skill based Sci fi themed game check out Ryzom Honestly the game is great well atleast till Darkfall releases :)

Originally posted by nakuma

what the hell does darkfall have to do with swg and its sandbox feel? nice way to lure people into your post. good job on subterfuge.

Wow, you're a smart one!

Darkfall is a skill-based sandbox game.  Since the only other sandbox out right now is EVE Online, and it is 100% ship-based, Darkfall appears to be a nice option for sandbox fans.

Pre-CU SWG was a sandbox and is no more...

Are you able to put 2+2 together yet?  Sandboxes?  You know, as in this is going to be a sandbox game? 

Go troll somebody elses thread.  You certainly aren't intelligent enough to railroad mine.

Originally posted by Thunderous

Originally posted by nakuma

what the hell does darkfall have to do with swg and its sandbox feel? nice way to lure people into your post. good job on subterfuge.

 

Wow, you're a smart one!

Darkfall is a skill-based sandbox game.  Since the only other sandbox out right now is EVE Online, and it is 100% ship-based, Darkfall appears to be a nice option for sandbox fans.

Pre-CU SWG was a sandbox and is no more...

Are you able to put 2+2 together yet?  Sandboxes?  You know, as in this is going to be a sandbox game? 

Go troll somebody elses thread.  You certainly aren't intelligent enough to railroad mine.

I also think this thread is perfectly appropriate for the vet boards. Many miss the sandbox element from the game that was more than anything else, and a game that offers that same amount of freedom is something lots of vets would be interested in reading about.

I've seen videos of Darkfall, even gameplay ones, not that impressive, combat seems a bit worse than AoC and it's yet another fantasy game.

But those who definitely want the sandbox, probably will go there, regardless of what genre it is.

having a skill based system is just a part of what a sandbox is, and just a fraction of what made preCU so great.

can it boast anything else?

Originally posted by PreCU

having a skill based system is just a part of what a sandbox is, and just a fraction of what made preCU so great.

can it boast anything else?

Well, FFA PVP, with full loot comes to mind.  Ability to build your own houses, guild citiies etc, and destroy others.  Reported to have deep crafting (haven't seen much on that yet),

Players belong to various factions, there is ship to ship, ship to shore combat including boarding, city bombardment, mounted combat, vehicle combat, Keep attacks, defenses, player reknown (or villiany) etc etc.

If DF delivers what they promised, it will be the best sandbox game to come out in a long time.

But no, it will not ever be SWG Pre-Cu...that game's gone, time to consider looking forward to a new game.

Looks like it might actually be real, just a shame it's got 2 things going against it, 1) It's yet another tired old orcs vs dwarves vs elves vs human, mage vs warrior vs hunter etc, crap.... and 2) from the video it looks complete garbage.

Just saw the Darkfall trailer and it looks shit.

The graphics are like Everquest with poor animations low polygon models and nasty textures and the game has no visual flare, just very generic. Also I never saw any proof of any gameplay mechanics working, just aload of smoke screens because what they showed was just characters in a world and you can stage a PVP fight and make it look like something its not. For example they showed a keep PVP type thing but tbh they could have just had a PVP fight in a random building which has no impact on the world and they're making out its more than it is.

All the time I was watching it I thought...

Dark and Light 2

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Originally posted by Kyleran

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Originally posted by PreCU

having a skill based system is just a part of what a sandbox is, and just a fraction of what made preCU so great.
can it boast anything else?

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Well, FFA PVP, with full loot comes to mind. Ability to build your own houses, guild citiies etc, and destroy others. Reported to have deep crafting (haven't seen much on that yet),
Players belong to various factions, there is ship to ship, ship to shore combat including boarding, city bombardment, mounted combat, vehicle combat, Keep attacks, defenses, player reknown (or villiany) etc etc.
If DF delivers what they promised, it will be the best sandbox game to come out in a long time.
But no, it will not ever be SWG Pre-Cu...that game's gone, time to consider looking forward to a new game.

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a lot of it depends on the details. How much can players really effect their environment? That's the question.

I played a facsimile of precu just the other day.

I loved SWG for its atmosphere, non-combat game play (all of it, not just crafting), character development & customization, the community and because i could live out some kind of childhood dream and "live" in the Star Wars universe. I don´t see these components in Darkfall.

Even tho i dislike fantasy, after reading this post i looked into it,i may just give it a try, something i had not considered before. Good job OP.

Originally posted by Thunderous

Go check out the Darkfall forums.  As shocking as it is they have released an extensive gameplay video and are accepting Beta signups as of today.  The graphics are DECENT,  not great, but the gameplay is incredible.

Don't forget that Darkfall is even more wide open and sandboxy than Pre-CU SWG was.  It is 100% skill-based.  Go check out the Darkfall forums and watch the videos.

Currently not playing SWG, but I did a year ago and the game still felt more sandbox then any other MMO that came after SWG atleast MMO that looked appealing to ME.
 

A sandbox MMO to me is a game where you are able to creat your own content, SWG atleast when I returned last year for about 8 months still had these options, you where not forced into one role, which most games only have the combat role, but then again greed is what hurts this genre. And skill-based can be a sandbox feature but isn't a demanding feature for a game to be a sandbox, player created content is and I have not looked into darkfall to know if it has player created content, if it has then yeah I might consider it a sandbox, shame it's not appealing to me due to the way it looks.

And sorry if people feel SWG isn't a sandbox game then big change is that they never will understand sandbox games. I don't care about the bugs or broken things (afcourse I do care but not in the way I feel the game is still a sandbox) one thing stands and SWG is or was for me the most sandbox experiance from all MMORPG I have played, and yes pre-cu SWG was supiriour to what I felt when I returned but that doesn't trow out the fact that the game still had all means to creat player made content.

Originally posted by Reklaw

Originally posted by Thunderous

Go check out the Darkfall forums.  As shocking as it is they have released an extensive gameplay video and are accepting Beta signups as of today.  The graphics are DECENT,  not great, but the gameplay is incredible.

Don't forget that Darkfall is even more wide open and sandboxy than Pre-CU SWG was.  It is 100% skill-based.  Go check out the Darkfall forums and watch the videos.

Currently not playing SWG, but I did a year ago and the game still felt more sandbox then any other MMO that came after SWG atleast MMO that looked appealing to ME.
 

A sandbox MMO to me is a game where you are able to creat your own content, SWG atleast when I returned last year for about 8 months still had these options, you where not forced into one role, which most games only have the combat role, but then again greed is what hurts this genre. And skill-based can be a sandbox feature but isn't a demanding feature for a game to be a sandbox, player created content is and I have not looked into darkfall to know if it has player created content, if it has then yeah I might consider it a sandbox, shame it's not appealing to me due to the way it looks.

And sorry if people feel SWG isn't a sandbox game then big change is that they never will understand sandbox games. I don't care about the bugs or broken things (afcourse I do care but not in the way I feel the game is still a sandbox) one thing stands and SWG is or was for me the most sandbox experiance from all MMORPG I have played, and yes pre-cu SWG was supiriour to what I felt when I returned but that doesn't trow out the fact that the game still had all means to creat player made content.

What are you talking about?  SWG NGE is a linear-based game, it is nothing of a sandbox.  Player-created content?  The story-teller is about it, and it is very limited and generic.  How are you not forced into roles?  The SWG classes are some of the most restrictive in any online game I have ever played...

The SWG sandbox died when you lost the skill-based system and classless gameplay.  You just flat don't understand what a sandbox is, that much is obvious.

As for Darkfall, it is 100% skill-based and has a 100% player-driven economy, you don't have to be a class at all, you can do anything you want.  You have player-built cities, housing, and vendors.  There are no PvP limitations at all.

It is 100% open and player-driven.  Calling the NGE a sandbox is comical and you lose all credibility with your motives.  The NGE is restrictive in almost every way.  The elements remaining from the Sandbox like the economy are dumbed-down.  You are forced to choose a class and a profession.

Seriously, SWG is so far from a sandbox game it's absurd to even confuse it with one.

Originally posted by Thunderous

 

What are you talking about?  SWG NGE is a linear-based game, in your opion, it isn´t mine, I know you are a person who simply dislike it when someone tells you something different, and you already have proven to have a very narrowminded way of thinking so no worry´s

 it is nothing of a sandbox.  Player-created content?  The story-teller is about it, and it is very limited and generic.  How are you not forced into roles?  The SWG classes are some of the most restrictive in any online game I have ever played... the reason is your very limited view upon these type of games.

The SWG sandbox died when you lost the skill-based system and classless gameplay.  You just flat don't understand what a sandbox is, that much is obvious. haha sure what ever you say man

As for Darkfall, it is 100% skill-based and has a 100% player-driven economy, you don't have to be a class at all, you can do anything you want.  You have player-built cities, housing, and vendors.  There are no PvP limitations at all. Hope you are right and I will definitly play it, but I alreayd know the name will soon change into Darkfail, definitly not by me but if the game is really what you say it we already know it will not be a large succes and we will see bash after bash at the game. Player driven economy, seriously people don´t have the patient to sit that one out, I do have hte patient, but I already know we will see topics saying player driven economy sucks we will see this within weeks of the game released due to the many unexperiance people.

It is 100% open and player-driven.  Calling the NGE a sandbox is comical and you lose all credibility with your motives.  The NGE is restrictive in almost every way.  The elements remaining from the Sandbox like the economy are dumbed-down.  You are forced to choose a class and a profession. Yeah yeah by now most people already have seen your limited scope on things, no need to continue ot proof that scope.

Seriously, SWG is so far from a sandbox game it's absurd to even confuse it with one. The way you might have played the game might have been a linear experiance, I for one don´t need my handhold.