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Jsteiner
Novice Member
Joined: 6/12/07
"The two riders were approaching and the wind began howl." -Jimi |
8/29/08 12:19:28 AM#2
I blame Tolkien. The ultimate solution to every problem: more space marines. |
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originalegg
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Joined: 10/09/06
Darkfall Releases - February 25th!!! Vaporware trolls = scum |
8/29/08 12:21:22 AM#3
*looks at post history* *troll identified* And the races listed for darkfall are not accurate. *moves on*
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8/29/08 12:32:29 AM#4
DF has wolfmen also, hehe. |
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indeed Alfar of Nagast , pointy eared malicous blue people ( Not dark elves!) "No trace of kindness exists in the world of the alfar, a race whose minds were shattered and then erratically rebuilt by a cruel and insane deity. To the alfar, pleasure is derived from the suffering of others, and the only impulse that can override their urge to torture and destroy, is a marrow-seated need to please their god-king." Mirdain of Mirendil, pointy eared sophisticated pale people that live in a forest clad homeland( Not high elves!) "The mirdain are a sophisticated and cultured people, who tend to prefer diplomacy to warfare, and subtlety to brute force. Theirs is an empire of influence and trade, and of intelligence networks which extend like sinuous branches from their forest-clad homeland."
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8/29/08 12:35:45 AM#6
Originally posted by originalegg
*checks if everything originalegg posted is true* *realises it is, and that we're dealing with a troll* *moves on while whistling and feeling sorry for the troll* |
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Jsteiner
Novice Member
Joined: 6/12/07
"The two riders were approaching and the wind began howl." -Jimi |
8/29/08 1:06:33 AM#7
I don't care if he's a troll or not - he brings up a good point. As I said, I believe that, while the lore behind 'fantasy' has always been a genre, Tolkien pretty much constructed a formula for fantasy settings that nearly all fantasy games strictly adhere to. One could argue that other Authors were similarly influental; Robert Howard (Conan), C.S. Lewis, and so forth. The genre was more diverse before the 1950's; Oz was considered a fantasy realm circa 1900, providing a watermark to compare modern fantasy settings to. The ultimate solution to every problem: more space marines. |
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I wouldn't consider myself a troll since I plan on playing both games. I'm just wondering if anyone else is as tired of the "staple races" as I am. |
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8/29/08 1:40:41 AM#9
Originally posted by fugue14
The problem is that people would miss those races if they weren't there. |
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8/29/08 1:47:22 AM#10
*looks at originalegg knowing that he would be here given its a darkfall post* *realizes that originalegg is the troll and walks away*
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originalegg
Novice Member
Joined: 10/09/06
Darkfall Releases - February 25th!!! Vaporware trolls = scum |
8/29/08 2:04:09 AM#11
lol someone has a crush on me (also check your pms - call me a troll as you want...but the people i call trolls get their threads locked and usually end up getting banned. 3 locked and 2 banned today gg) edit: and yea there is a point to the op, but they way he presented it with conveiniently forgeting what darkfall's races are is not the way to start a thread if you want a serious discussion. A wolfman-esque race is definitely a little different. Wether the qualities of some of the other races are similar to say dark or high elves...they have made the effort to differentiate them so they really arent just using the same old. its a fantasy genre, get use to it. ---sig---
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8/29/08 2:51:35 AM#12
Originally posted by Jsteiner
Yep, Tolkien coalesced much of western myth into literature and Robert Howard basically single-handedly invented the action-based Sword and Sorcery genre. Spot on.
And Gary Gygax codified it all into roleplaying games.
Writers and RPG designers have all pretty much just copied these guys ever since.
Edit: I tend to dismiss C. S. Lewis as more of a fantasy hack. In my view, he was mainly just writing thinly-veiled Christian propaganda for kids.
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I didn't forget the races in darkfall, I just didn't mention the wolf-man race, or the same "vulmane" race in vanguard. Though I've only seen it in vanguard so I would say the idea is still fresh. Still, that's the only unique race in darkfall. Slapping a new name on some elves isn't going to change much for me. As far as "its a fantasy genre, get use to it.", I can think of about fifty other usable fantasy races off the top of my head. While they can't remove anything from the standard package as someone might go on a killing spree because they can't play a dwarf. I think for every staple race they have they should have at least one original one. Daoc managed to do it. |
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daarco
 Apprentice Member
Joined: 12/19/06
I have Darkfall now! |
8/29/08 3:07:45 AM#14
Originally posted by fugue14
Its no secret we all are pretty bored with those races. But there a few MMOs that tryed something else, Saga of Ryzom for example. And i still thinks that most players choose human after all, and that they have in Darkfall. |
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TheHoweller
 Novice Member
Joined: 7/16/08
Grinding is the worst idea ever integrated into a game... I would much rather have fun. |
8/29/08 3:36:26 AM#15
Someone actually started a thread that began with the intent of humor, and others continued that intent?! Wow, these forums are making a change for the better! Yes, the standard races in MMOs are beginning to be "BLAH" but they have been expanded and changed before. Just learn to live with it like the rest of us have...Even though elves are happy tree-huggers and dwarves fart, far too often... ------------------------------- |
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8/29/08 10:26:22 AM#16
I think the reason they have the same types of races in fantasy games is because they are almost human so it allows you to identify with your character. If you could play a giant talking lobster or something like that I bet it wouldn't be a very popular choice. They could make more effort to invent some other bipedal nearly human type races like the squid faces in wow but I guess people just want what they already know.
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8/29/08 10:45:03 AM#17
Originally posted by fugue14
No Aragon - Member of B@D guild |
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8/29/08 11:03:35 AM#18
The forums must be pretty jaded if all valid points/criticism levied at not only DF, but most contemporaneous fantasy MMOs (add EQ2 and to some extent WoW to the mix) are considered trolling. He didn't mention all of DF's races, but he also didn't mention all the races in Vanguard, as they weren't relevant to his point. You can't deny what he said at face value, even if you don't agree with his opinion. He's not posting it to bait, anger or create controversy, at least the OP didn't convey that intention. I'm starting to believe that some people around here just use troll and "person whose opinions and views I disagree with" interchangeably. On the topic at hand: Personally I'm not really tired of those races, but I honestly would like to see more exotic ones. There was a project I followed that promised, among many other features, a myriad of playable races, including dragons, gryphons, dopplegangers, etc. And the mechanics behind some of them, while incredibly impractical, seemed interesting. In the end it just ended up being vaporware, not to my surprise, but I'd really like to see stuff like implemented in a game, albeit toned down for reality. |
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8/29/08 11:05:14 AM#19
Originally posted by Aragon100
No
Are you being serious Aragon? As much as I hear the talk of generic MMO's being thrown around. I would have thought you'd be one of the people, against staple races. Please note I am not saying Darkfall has staple races. My comment was in reference to fantasy MMO's in general. Very interesting, even now you still manage to throw curve balls, Aragon.
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8/29/08 1:02:37 PM#20
Originally posted by fugue14
Well, Warhammer FB has never made any intention to dismiss the fact that they use the "staple races" as their bread and butter. In fact their diversity tends toward the "evil" races, in that they have Dark Elves, but they also have (or used to) Chaos Dwarves, Chaos Daemons, Beastmen, Lizardmen, Skaven (Ratmen), Undead, Chaos (Basicly Norsemen), and recently added Ogres (which arn't exaclty "evil" but more neutral in the common sense of the term.) The "Good" Races have a little diversity, but humans are split into two "races" The Empire, basically Teutonic based, and the Bretonnians, Crusader based on the French. Then there are the Wood Elves, which are mentioned by Tolkien as well. Most of the "Staple" races in Fantasy based MMO's are going to be led by these 5 races, and if you ever played Ultima 1-3 before Ultima Online, these races were a part of those games as well. This isn't new to MMO games. It's not new to Video Games, it's been around for over Fifty years, so to say something like, "here we go again." or "I'm tired of these." is just the youthful generation's way of saying, "I want something else." without actually producing anything themself. Look, if you want something new, invent it. Otherwise, stop complaining about something because it exists. Darkfall did create the werewolf like race, but are they the first to do this? well not if you think about it. But at least they're including something "new" for all you people who want to say, "Stop doing the same thing over again." Yes, I love the "Staple" races, and I like something new too. But hell even Star Trek had Humans and Elves! (Yea, Vulcans are Elves and Romulans are Dark Elves, deal with it.)
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