To be honest I really don't understand why they even bowed down to those that wanted an Open ruleset.

The game was designed 100% around Core rules.

I'd really like to hear people's reasons for wanting to play on an Open RvR server.

you arent going to find much beyond "i like to gank" or "open pvp is where the hardcore will be", both of which are fairly weak.

The only reason I'd like it is to kill order trying to do a parallel PQ.

I'll make a point regarding the open rules.  End game will make or break this game.   Open will provide more options at the end of the game. 

For example, an open ruleset will give people the chance to hit the enemy behind their front line and stop people from getting to the front line of the battle.  It gives you a way to cut off a supply line of enemy players who would otherwise be heading to reinforce a keep under attack.   Often time players trickle into the warzone, then get organized once they get there.  Pretty much it COULD add another layer of strategy to the flow of the war.

This being said I still have not yet decided if I am going to play on this rule set, but thre is a case to be made for it that does not involve killing people much lower level.

Don't forget unlocking tome entries. Can't unlock much when you're a chicken.

DAoC had open style PVP servers and it worked fine for the people that played there.  It gave them something else to do besides the regular servers and ensured that Mythic would get the revenue from those people who played on the servers.  It's all about having a choice.  The fact that there are people willing to play on 1 or 2 servers that you won't be playing on will not impact your game play what so ever.

Originally posted by kaishi00

Don't forget unlocking tome entries. Can't unlock much when you're a chicken.

Well this is my major concern about the Open RvR servers, I'll be playing on Core (as you no doubt gathered) and I already have it in my head that I'll be heading back down to the lower tiers (perhaps during off peak times) to grab those ToK unlocks that I missed when leveling or from another pairing etc.

Ok so maybe ToK unlocks and XP won't be everyone's cup of tea, but why remove the option?

It just seems to me that by playing on an Open server you're either severely restricting yourself or the chicken rule simply won't apply and it will be a gank fest.

You won't be able to help alts, new friends playing or anything like that with your main either.

There will come a time when the starting areas aren't so full (and this has already been pointed out as a flaw in the system) and as an alt you probably aren't going to be getting groups for all the PQs... Call in your buddy to help you out? Sure why not? They might get the loot for first highest contribution, but you'll get fast influence and some reward regardless. Not on an Open RvR server though.

I think eventually the Open RvR servers will be a detriment to this game.

open rvr servers are good.... it's like a cage for all the WoW players who played on PvP servers (who liked ganking) and for members of goon fleet in EVE, who like to cause this kind of anguish on newbs.

Originally posted by minutemaid

open rvr servers are good.... it's like a cage for all the WoW players who played on PvP servers (who liked ganking) and for members of goon fleet in EVE, who like to cause this kind of anguish on newbs.

 

Now, this is a good reason to have Open RvR servers.

They've already said multiple times that there will not be any server where you can go back as a Lvl 40 to gank lowbies.  All these gankers are spamming the boards for the FFA server so they can do that but it's not going to happen.

lol well tbh id prob be playing on the open server...i love hardcore pvp...even on AOC i chose the FFA servers. Not cause i enjoyed ganking but because i liked the feeling of a hightened probablity of danger :)

Originally posted by Hostel

They've already said multiple times that there will not be any server where you can go back as a Lvl 40 to gank lowbies.  All these gankers are spamming the boards for the FFA server so they can do that but it's not going to happen.

So then there will be nobody on an Open RvR server who can focus on ToK.

They also cannot assist their friends and guild mates in lower tier PvE.

These are two things that immediately spring to mind.
 

Originally posted by Kailash

lol well tbh id prob be playing on the open server...i love hardcore pvp...even on AOC i chose the FFA servers. Not cause i enjoyed ganking but because i liked the feeling of a hightened probablity of danger :)

Just flag for RvR all the time, I don't see how that is any different.

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by Kailash

lol well tbh id prob be playing on the open server...i love hardcore pvp...even on AOC i chose the FFA servers. Not cause i enjoyed ganking but because i liked the feeling of a hightened probablity of danger :)

 

Just flag for RvR all the time, I don't see how that is any different.

There you have your answer, why would you not make a server of poeple who would run around flagged RvR all the time? Beside that this if like asking someone why they do like core rule or PvE only. Most likely simply becouse they like it.

Xennith,

How would these two reason be weak? It simply is more hardcore and some poeple simply like to gank. That are valid reason really.

Originally posted by Coman

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by Kailash

lol well tbh id prob be playing on the open server...i love hardcore pvp...even on AOC i chose the FFA servers. Not cause i enjoyed ganking but because i liked the feeling of a hightened probablity of danger :)

 

Just flag for RvR all the time, I don't see how that is any different.

 

There you have your answer, why would you not make a server of poeple who would run around flagged RvR all the time? Beside that this if like asking someone why they do like core rule or PvE only. Most likely simply becouse they like it.

Xennith,

How would these two reason be weak? It simply is more hardcore and some poeple simply like to gank. That are valid reason really.

but it's impossible to gank due to the chicken rule so that kind of negates the danger factor and well, stops ganking.

So far as I can understand all the Open ruleset will do is limit the options you have in the game.

I just fail to see how it's more hardcore... People also aren't going to be bothered much about killing people outside RvR zones because there are no RvR objectives and it doesn't help with the progression of your realm.

Goon Squad is going to play WAR?  Hopefully they stick to the open servers.

Originally posted by kaishi00

Don't forget unlocking tome entries. Can't unlock much when you're a chicken.

I beleive the chicken rule still applies its just the flag default is always RvR. Open PVP does not mean open gankfest camping tier one.

Originally posted by Coman
Originally posted by Noggin
Originally posted by Kailash

lol well tbh id prob be playing on the open server...i love hardcore pvp...even on AOC i chose the FFA servers. Not cause i enjoyed ganking but because i liked the feeling of a hightened probablity of danger :)
 

Just flag for RvR all the time, I don't see how that is any different.

There you have your answer, why would you not make a server of poeple who would run around flagged RvR all the time? Beside that this if like asking someone why they do like core rule or PvE only. Most likely simply becouse they like it.

Xennith,

How would these two reason be weak? It simply is more hardcore and some poeple simply like to gank. That are valid reason really.
but it's impossible to gank due to the chicken rule so that kind of negates the danger factor and well, stops ganking.

So far as I can understand all the Open ruleset will do is limit the options you have in the game.

I just fail to see how it's more hardcore... People also aren't going to be bothered much about killing people outside RvR zones because there are no RvR objectives and it doesn't help with the progression of your realm.
 

No it is not impossible to gank you can join up your goon squad and gank equal lvl players roaming alone or in pug groups in the Pvp areas. What you mean to say is;" it would be impossible to kill players 20lvls lower than you". Therefore making you feel like an alpha male.

Originally posted by CyBloodreign

No it is not impossible to gank you can join up your goon squad and gank equal lvl players roaming alone or in pug groups in the Pvp areas. What you mean to say is;" it would be impossible to kill players 20lvls lower than you". Therefore making you feel like an alpha male.

I'm using the term 'gank' in that way, meaning to kill players many levels lower than you who are no challenge.

You make a valid point.

Yes, I was taking ganking in the more general rule of grossly outnumbering your prey.

People do need to understand this is a pvp game and there will be no shortage of pvp. The pvp zones get larger as you move up tiers and in tiers 3-4 alot of the pve content forces you to go ito the open realm pvp areas to acomplish. There will be no shortage of peeps to kill(unless server pop your on suck). Having an open rules ffa would make capturing capitals to easy because lvl 40's would just go to lower lvl areas and take all the objectives in a matter of hours. Wheres the challange in that wheres the struggle.

This comment was not directed at you personally.  Noggin

Originally posted by CyBloodreign

 lvl 40's would just go to lower lvl areas and take all the objectives in a matter of hours. Wheres the challange in that wheres the struggle.

 

This comment was not directed at you personally.  Noggin

All good CyBloodreign, thanks.

They'd just get turned into chickens if they did this.

So on an Open RvR server, you're confined to Tier 4.

This might not be an issue for the people who want to play Open rules I guess, but it seems like a heavy price to pay.

i seriously dont get it why would the open ruleset players be stuck on tier 4 only? care to explain.

Since in several threads here and on other WAR related boards I've yet to see anyone say that they want to gank lowbie players, I think the chicken rule shouldn't bother anyone.  If you want the increased danger, just right click on your level 1 character's status window on a core ruleset server, and turn on the RvR flag.  If you want other people to play with the same limitation, play on an Open RvR (aka always flagged) server.  If you absolutely must do every quest and ToK unlock, then I just guess you have to make a choice about whether you can have everything in a game the way you want it in opposition to the way that 85% of the players who like the chicken mechanic want it.  If it is that important to your game playing enjoyment, feel free to play a game that is less restricting. 

Asking Mythic to create 4-5 different software baselines so that every style of player can have the game their way is counter productive to maintaining a quality game where 85% of the potential audience agrees with the rule set.  The whole set of DAoC drama about the "Mordred" server being broken with each game update proves that such small audience specialty servers distract a company's dev team from the job at hand, and end up alienating those hyper choosy players anyway. 

If you absolutely must have a game that allows you to gank, twink, and powerlevel friends, there are plenty of other products on the market that give you the "freedom" to unfairly compete with other players.  I just keep hoping that WAR is not one of them.

I hope this helps.

Originally posted by rav3n2

i seriously dont get it why would the open ruleset players be stuck on tier 4 only? care to explain.

Sure.

You're constantly flagged for RvR on an Open RvR server.

When you enter the lower tiers you would turn into a chicken.

I guess you're not unable to enter the lower tiers, but with 1hp and 1 attack that does 1 point of damage as a chicken, why would you leave Tier 4 for that?

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by rav3n2

i seriously dont get it why would the open ruleset players be stuck on tier 4 only? care to explain.

 

Sure.

 

You're constantly flagged for RvR on an Open RvR server.

 

When you enter the lower tiers you would turn into a chicken.

 

I guess you're not unable to enter the lower tiers, but with 1hp and 1 attack that does 1 point of damage as a chicken, why would you leave Tier 4 for that?

And how do we know that as soon as you enter the lower tier you will be turned into a chicken and not just on the same area as you would be forced to turn RVR "ON" on the Core ruleset?