Originally posted by Mezzanine85

Now now fanboys, I'm just stating my opinion. Honestly though, I was in closed beta for many months, and I literally stopped playing cold turkey about a month ago. The reasons for this were many. The game is just so bland and boring overall. Combat is stiff and unexciting, just plain unoriginal. Classes are uninteresting and not engaging. Animations are craptastic, seriously, it cannot be denied the way characters run is just unacceptable. The world design is so linear it kills me (this is a serious down side for me personally, as it was in AoC). Graphics are downright outdated,  though honestly this wouldn't be a factor if the gameplay were fun (Lineage 1 for example, which was 2d, kicked ass).

Now I'd really like to hear from some other long time Closed Beta testers, or just players in general. To me, this game is unoriginal, bland, and boring. I would never spend a cent on it.

P.S. the reason I'm even posting this is to save some people some money, is all. Also, to stop those who are super-hyped about it from being let down big time. It probably is not what you are expecting. Take it from a long, long term MMORPG player.

Everyone is different and game experience can be very subjective.

However, your P.S. is B.S. This is definitely a game worth buying and most people with out extremely narrow expectations for an MMO will definitely get their money's worth. Most may even find it's a game worth investing many months in.

I'm no fanboy. I'm a veteran with well earned cynicism toward games in the genre. I can't promise you I will be playing six months from now, the only way to know an MMO will hold you long term is to play and see how it goes. However, this game has none of the warning signs and glaring flaws that tell you it's a lost cause.

Playstyle is personal and how well a game matches your playstyle is very subjective. With the depth of content and the bredth of options for what you do with your ingame time, many people will find this to be a game that can provide compelling playtime beyond the first month.

My only disappointment is the seriously lacking crafting in game. I hope that will change over time. For me, it's just one less option for where I can spend my efforts. For some the lack of crafting will be a mojor detriment and for others it just won't matter at all.

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Mezzanine85

P.S. the reason I'm even posting this is to save some people some money, is all. Also, to stop those who are super-hyped about it from being let down big time. It probably is not what you are expecting. Take it from a long, long term MMORPG player.

I dont see this "super-hype" you reference, unlike the hype AOC had

 

the NDA is lifted - people are talking about the game, good and bad

 

people can see for themselves during the pre-order open beta or they can signup with Fileplanet

(all comcast users get Fileplanet subs for free)

Ooooh!  That's why I'm still a fileplanet member! 

Just the other day I was like "How is it I'm still a member after 2 or more years when I only paid for one month previously...?"  and now I know. 

Originally posted by Sentime

Just curious, has anyone actually see the game run with these high end graphics cause it smells like  hype atm?

I believe its recently been shown at gamingconventions at the high end and willbe shown high end at this years Games Days in Birmingham, Games Workshops big yearly gaming convention

Originally posted by mrwasted

Originally posted by Mezzanine85

1 The game is just so bland and boring overall. Combat is stiff and unexciting, just plain unoriginal.

2 Classes are uninteresting and not engaging.

3.Animations are craptastic, seriously, it cannot be denied the way characters run is just unacceptable.

4The world design is so linear it kills me (this is a serious down side for me personally, as it was in AoC).

5.Graphics are downright outdated, 

First of all i think your TOTALLY miss the point of being a beta tester. A beta tester is supposed to test the game out and find the flaws and help with advancement and improvement of the game until the final product is released. you on the other hand just played this game as a free demo to see if you liked it or not. You my friend are the kind of people that piss me off because i know there are many others out there that would have loved to beta to make the game better not get a free play out of it, and because you just wanted a free play you expect a final product not something unfinished, which is exactly what a beta is btw.

You're so right its not even funny. I think a lot of "Beta Testers" are just trying to get a free play out of the game.  I will be in OB the 7th but I will be on the bug hunt and If I end up liking the game I will buy it. MMO's are complex and there are so many things that can go wrong and with people just using beta to see if they like the game, Its  no wonder games are being released like crap.Im trying to step into the gaming industry as a tester, I wish I could have been in the CB of this game but I guess OB will have to do. 

But in a beta I have a philosophy, expect the worst and hope for the best, that way you don't get as disappointed if it is bad. But if their is a disappointment  you should give some feedback to the developers. Tell them what you like and what you don't like and help make the game better.

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Mezzanine85

P.S. the reason I'm even posting this is to save some people some money, is all. Also, to stop those who are super-hyped about it from being let down big time. It probably is not what you are expecting. Take it from a long, long term MMORPG player.

I dont see this "super-hype" you reference, unlike the hype AOC had

 

the NDA is lifted - people are talking about the game, good and bad

 

people can see for themselves during the pre-order open beta or they can signup with Fileplanet

(all comcast users get Fileplanet subs for free)

LOL thanks for that info man , i never knew i got free fileplanet.. WOOT =]

There is very little depth to the game, I agree on that. It is meant for PvP honestly. With just a bit of PvE to keep it interesting.

The game really requires a guild to be played correctly. You can get all the stuff done and not miss out on pq and such without one. I just imagine this game to be tons o fun with a proper guild.

Once again, graphics would not be an issue if the gameplay was enjoyable, as I have said many, many times.

Don't jump the gun in anger, it just makes you look like a fanboy.

Originally posted by Mezzanine85

Eh thanks for those who gave honest and mature replies. For those who didn't, well, you make me laugh on the inside ;D.

Anyways, I think one of the previous posters hit the nail on the head when he said that this game is not for everyone, and that the MMORPG community is hungering for a new MMO to play. I know I am dieing for a good one to come out, and honestly, WAR was not for me, and it won't be for many people. Many will like it though, I'm sure it will sustain at least a decent population. Like I said though, to me it is lacking.

As for the graphics, I said before, they wouldn't be an issue if the gameplay didn't suck to me.

And finally, as for Vanguard, I'm not playing it at the moment because of the population issues. The game itself has made a huge turnaround though, and you would know if you tried it within the last couple of months. I was in CB for that as well, all the way til' the end. Anyways, this is not a VG post ;D.

well we would know not to listen to you,. you would recommend vanguard, a game that failed tremedously with no population left. a none recommendation for a game still in beta and not even out. yeah we really are gonna listen to you brother.

Originally posted by Mezzanine85

Once again, graphics would not be an issue if the gameplay was enjoyable, as I have said many, many times.

Don't jump the gun in anger, it just makes you look like a fanboy.

im the biggest WAR fanboy on this board. who cares what you all think. i played it and thought it was the greatest thing.  therefore i made my opinion. i dont let people influence what i think are do through internet post. but vanguard...come on now, lol.

Originally posted by Mezzanine85

Once again, graphics would not be an issue if the gameplay was enjoyable, as I have said many, many times.

Don't jump the gun in anger, it just makes you look like a fanboy.

stating things the way you do makes you look like a hater.  combat has already been discussed, and mythic has said they are addressing it.  mythic is not funcom.  one thing about mythic is that you get exactly what they say you are getting. nothing more nothing less.  however, everyone is entitled to there own oppinion. i found the combat to be more interesting the higher level i got just like in any other game.  it's pretty simple though. WAR may not be your game.  i hope you find a game that lives up to what you are looking for goodluck

And your what ? vanguard fanboi i think you are .

give it a rest bud seriously

Keep the mature replies a'comin!

You totally don't look like fanboys. Really.

I had a look back at some of your past post it looks like no game can hold your intrest for more than 5 mins so thanks for the post but I have a REALLY hard time gettting my head around that you actually stuck with beta for months.

I would say you would be happier with with a game like WoW.

And the next time you sign up for a beta, perhaps you should look at it as your there to send in feed back to improve the game, not just to get a free game.

Posts like this amuse me greatly. People who are invited into beta, especially early in beta, are there to help build and shape a game. It is a privilege, and one that thousands of other people would have happily accepted.

The game hasn't shown it's "release" build yet. There will be no "miracle patch" as other games tout right before release to let people know all the ails of the world will be fixed, but there IS a series of smaller fixes/tweaks coming.

The OP has revealed they are making judgements about a game not just before release, but MORE THAN A MONTH AWAY from release in an earlier phase of beta. It is hard to take someone seriously who projects the issues of a game so far before the release without taking into consideration the current state of the game for release.

However, the OP has some very valid points. The graphics aren't cutting edge, but they are a very polished and more realistic version of WoW's (think the colorful aspect of WoW without the cartoony look). AoC has better graphics, as does Vanguard at high detail. However, we have NOT seen the final graphical client, so there may be a series of tweaks (lightning/shadows/etc) that raise the bar.

The world is linear yet very horizontal. It is intended that way.  It is NOT a sandbox game. You progress through chapters of "storyline" and tiers of war on your way to the endgame. See, unlike most games that talk about endgame and what it offers, WAR is honest - it is all about the RvR at level 40. The number of areas to fight, objectives to claim, and scenarios to experience all grow as you go through the tiers. The endgame isn't level 40, it is really the "fourth tier", which is levels 32 all the way to 40.

People still on the fence should take all this in stride and look for some sort of buddy/trial program in the future. I've enjoyed my time and beta and and looking even moreso to release, to be able to play with friends who didn't make the beta. My biggest counterpoint is that if there is one thing that WAr really is to me, it is just flat out FUN. :)

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Originally posted by vardar
I never understood the reasoning why a game in Beta would not use its full potential graphics, especially so close to release. Doesnt the company want to know if any other bugs or problems will arise when they release the 'real version' of the game? or is it just our belief that we think Beta is not the real graphic engine? What i mean is not early Beta, i mean Beta that is very very close to release.

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Things like dynamic lights, shadows, complex shaders, and high res textures can have a huge performance cost, but generally don't break other parts of the build. Game software usually allows users to turn on/off dynamic lights/shadows, or change a textures level of detail, or use a shader version that doesn't have reflection/refraction etc. to allow for a wide range of client systems.

However in the end, the game has a target system requirement, and betas are generally set to run the game with the specs that they market their game capable of. This helps focus on the things they want to test, like AI, server stability, network code and avoid discrepant feedback.

Also, during betas they typically run debug software which also slows the performance of the game down. Having most of these graphics options turned down alleviates some of the performance hit.

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Originally posted by Pipwicky
There is very little depth to the game, I agree on that. It is meant for PvP honestly. With just a bit of PvE to keep it interesting.
 
The game really requires a guild to be played correctly. You can get all the stuff done and not miss out on pq and such without one. I just imagine this game to be tons o fun with a proper guild.

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EXACTLY! Ok imagine for a moment that you are more of a solo type MMO player, and I know there are people that just don't join guilds. Warhammer is specifically geared for GUILD type combat. Sure you may be able to run around solo and just join random RVR zergs in the low levels, but when it comes to guild keeps and city sieges...you really are going to be forced to join a guild.

That is where the problem lies for some folks I think.

Also I agree with some of the points on both sides:

1. The RVR is pretty fun but a little "zergish".
2. We are hoping that the graphics get tuned up for launch, but they need a SERIOUS tune cause they don't look that good in beta.

3. The combat is slow and sluggish but it's doable.
4. The animations aren't that good but doable and no they won't be better at launch...you can't really just turn those off and on like a switch.

5. The PVE content besides the PQ's is lackluster and not really in-depth. Yes it's there to a point, but almost every other major MMO title beats WAR in the PVE department.

6. The RVR content is better in WAR than any other game so thats a big plus for the PVPers. Other than the zerging, made me feel like Starcraft all over again at times.

7. The gear looks pretty good from what I've seen in closed beta so far.

We'll see what happens at launch.

I don't understand why people are already signing off with WAR because of the graphics and animations.. they said that a heap of new animations and graphic scaling will be in at launch.

Aw, snap! We're all fanboys cause we enjoy WAR and the OP doesn't! Damn, I'm offended... Sad-sauce /emo.... cry cry cry...

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Originally posted by Narshe
I don't understand why people are already signing off with WAR because of the graphics and animations.. they said that a heap of new animations and graphic scaling will be in at launch.

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This is what happens when you let 100,000s of noobtards play a beta. Unfortunately the larger set of testers is required for the massive scale of an MMO.

Originally posted by Narshe

I don't understand why people are already signing off with WAR because of the graphics and animations.. they said that a heap of new animations and graphic scaling will be in at launch.

To add to the sentiment that I agree with Narshe on. I remember games way back when, when graphics was not an issue and everything focused more on gameplay. Nowadays everyone wants their game to have insane graphics and sound, which alot do, but their replay went from months in the past to a week or less today.

To be honest, I would gladly play a game with SNES or even NES graphics if it would have the gameplay and content to last a month or more over all these shiny and pretty one week wonder games we get nowadays.

Once again OP sorry you didn't find this game appealing. Good luck on your search for the game you may one day enjoy!

Cheers!