Originally posted by Fungo

It has probably been mentioned in one thread or another, but I think the dye system is really going to be a wonder.

The idea of seeing a huge guild all, with the same colors in their armor and banners, engaging in an epic battle.. that just seem awe inspiring to me.

The dye system was present in DAoC also. It wasn't ground shattering, but it was pretty cool to be able to color your armor the way -you- want it.

Well i have not even raid the post but.. what ever.

- Take the children, and keep the pver.
- WH is a rvr game, and its what count for rvr players, and they will stay. Becuse there is no rvr game out there beside WH and ( old DAOC ).

- And yes Wh looks alot like WOW, and yes Mytic has F... U. on some thing. But still they are the only ones that has ever made a game that keepd me going :)

Group mechanics? They have the open group system (groups for PVE, RVR, PQs) and Warbands (multiple groups).. easy as pie to get a group in this game and make friends.

Originally posted by laresloci

Originally posted by Fungo

It has probably been mentioned in one thread or another, but I think the dye system is really going to be a wonder.

The idea of seeing a huge guild all, with the same colors in their armor and banners, engaging in an epic battle.. that just seem awe inspiring to me.

 

Indeed, very interesting. i think that's kewl. Instead of looking like a bunch of people at a disco.

hai, you're forgetting that in WAR we get trophies too ;)

they are even MORE awesome than the armour dying imo

I played WoW from open beta to about a month ago.  So Fingis, how would you explain why I'll NEVER return to WoW?

PVP totally sucks in WoW.  I've been over this with you before.  Why on earth would you want to play that boring Arena e-peen flexing over and over again?  The classes are totally unbalanced, with certain specs and classes being far dominant over others.  You can BUY your way to gear if you have enough gold and convince a friendly rogue to get your rating up.

WoW PVP is about greed.  That's the only goal.  Its not even fun.  The BGs are just as boring and of course the gear isn't as good as arena.  World PVP has no purpose at all and no one does it anymore, which is a real shame because that is the only thing good about WoW PVP.  Face it, Fingis, WoW was made from the ground up for PVE and has duct-tape PVP.   I'm not sure why you feel this mission to bash WAR is so important to you, but I've likely played WoW as long or longer than you and I'm never going to play it again.  Just about everyone coming over to WAR with me feels the same.  That sort of destroys your "theorycrafting."

You might as well get used to the higher que times for your e-peena games.

WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzMSguepok

All of them are roughly lvl 10. And NOBODY looks the same.

It's kinda premature to say will WoW players return to WoW or not. They haven't yet come to WAR...

Originally posted by minutemaid

WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzMSguepok

 

All of them are roughly lvl 10. And NOBODY looks the same.

Also, if you want to see ORGANIZED combat, rather than simple zerging, watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv05Po3aGyE

This is what we'll see all over the place eventually.

Originally posted by minutemaid

Originally posted by minutemaid

WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzMSguepok

 

All of them are roughly lvl 10. And NOBODY looks the same.

 

Also, if you want to see ORGANIZED combat, rather than simple zerging, watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv05Po3aGyE

This is what we'll see all over the place eventually.

I think you overestimate the ability of the average player to cooperate.

why entertain this nonsense? This is like arguing that crack is better than heroin... Does it matter? Do your own thing.. The OP is one of those guys who only likes things that everyone else does and bashes those who don't like what he likes (which is what everyone else likes).. I bet he is a New England Patriot fan...

Originally posted by richmix

Originally posted by minutemaid

Originally posted by minutemaid

WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzMSguepok

 

All of them are roughly lvl 10. And NOBODY looks the same.

 

Also, if you want to see ORGANIZED combat, rather than simple zerging, watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv05Po3aGyE

This is what we'll see all over the place eventually.

 

I think you overestimate the ability of the average player to cooperate.

No. By organized, i am referring to guilds operations like the one in the video.

Is it just me or did this "fingis" guy completly CONTRADICT himself in what he said?

Where did the OP go?

Originally posted by Tolmo

Where did the OP go?

He probably realized how wrong/stupid his post was, after we enlightened him.

Originally posted by fingis

1. Lack of toon customization. Every class at a certain level, say level 11 rune priests look more or less the same. In WoW you can customize your toon with hundreds of different pieces of equipment.

Every 70 wears season 2 and 1 gear. Every twink wears the same gear, I log into wow and everyone currently looks the same. WAR has far more customization options than WoW. Did you even play? Hit P in game next time and take a gander....

2. Simple PvE. Vast majority of WAR quests are fedex or kill 4 vampiritic llama type quests. PQ quests are pretty much the same too, kill 3 waves and then kill the boss, loot.

Not a stupid time sink, makes for more enjoyable endgame and multiple alts.

3. WAR has a simple PvP combat system. There's no charge, blink, distract, fear, flare, stealth, etc in WAR. EQ1, a game made in 1990's has as many combat features as WAR. Solid toons are a noticeable WAR innovation.

So your saying WoW has a more robust PvP combat system? What matters in WoW is who gets the first opener. WoW greatly lacks skill but is a CC/Stunlock/Fear/gay fest.  This game has no CC or very, very little which makes the PvP far more epic in porportions to WoW.

4. No special things. There are no Warglaives in WAR. Nothing to strive for. In WAR, you are a cog in a machine.

You are very wrong, have you hit level 40 RR 80? Have you seen what the Epic endgame dungeons drop? Didn't think so, nuff time wasted on this question.

5. Unimaginative combat. You'll mostly spam your damage spell or spam your healing spell, nothing else to do.

Well you show your true skill from this comment alone.  I love steamrolling you guys on the battlefield.

The only thing going for WAR is the large scale combat. I'm waiting to see if the large scale combat is worth a subscrition to WAR. If large scale combat turns out to be a zerg fest with no strategy, just a bunch of people swarming around and the side with the most people wins, there won't be a reason to play WAR other than it's not WoW.

Every game has zerg fest even your baby WoW. Lrn2play, peace out!

Originally posted by fing

3. WAR has a simple PvP combat system. There's no charge, blink, distract, fear, flare, stealth, etc in WAR. EQ1, a game made in 1990's has as many combat features as WAR. Solid toons are a noticeable WAR innovation.

I enjoyed EQ's PvP way more than I enjoy WoW's, I guess because of server rules rather than the combat itself but still.

Originally posted by fingis

1. Lack of toon customization. Every class at a certain level, say level 11 rune priests look more or less the same. In WoW you can customize your toon with hundreds of different pieces of equipment.

Get a clue, guy. The only gear "choice" you have in WoW (especially at level 11) is between an ugly green and white robe named after whales, tattered-looking hobo gear named after birds, and other rainbow-colored, nasty outfits that no one in their right mind wants to wear for aesthetics. Did I mention puke yellow and neon green ugly capes?

There may be more clothing variety in WoW early on, but it's ugly and mostly useless, and no one in their right mind would call that crap a "customization option". WAR also has twice as many classes as WoW (for twice the basic looks), and you can dye your gear.

Quality over quantity.

2. Simple PvE. Vast majority of WAR quests are fedex or kill 4 vampiritic llama type quests. PQ quests are pretty much the same too, kill 3 waves and then kill the boss, loot.

WoW's quests are nothing more than this, either. Kill some animals, get some hooves, repeat. FInd me a single quest on ThottBot that is, at its core, anything more than "kill thing take thing stuff lmao", and I'll lop off my right arm with a butter knife.

Just because they make you run back and forth a few extra times and insert fluff text, doesn't change the essence of it.

4. No special things. There are no Warglaives in WAR. Nothing to strive for. In WAR, you are a cog in a machine.

Right. Because World of Warcraft has tons of special stuff to strive for that will set you apart from the other 6 million gold farmers and 3 million players.

Perhaps in the endgame, when you get special mounts, or if you win the lottery and get a unique weapon, you'll have something unique... otherwise, you're a cog. This includes titles.

6)  WoW players will return to WoW because they are addicts.  Some manage to break their addiction, but others are literally addicted.  Blizzard could release a "content" patch that requires one to grind rep every day for 2 months straight to get an extra +1 stat epic item and the servers would have queues the minute the servers were brought back up...people queing to grind.

WoTLK sounds like more of the same x2.  Achievements, rep grinds, pvp grinds, etc.  The whole achievement system is just frightening.  I intend to ignore it, but I know people who will probably lose their jobs, families, and/or health just to finish every achievement in the game.

I know people who tell me to my face they are bored to hell with the game...but they log in every damn night and play for 5-6 hours.  Incredible.

THIS is why WoW players will return to WoW.

Originally posted by ProfRed

Why WoW players Will Return to WoW from fingis's point of view = 'Because WoW is so good I would rather spend my time trolling the WAR forums than playing it.'

LOL,

man the mods have been very nice nice lately. this is clearly trolling. i seen tons of threads like this and the OPs are getting away with it. breakl out that ban stick mods. lol

the topics should read, "why do WOW trolls will return to the WAR boads"