Originally posted by jackman1118

Originally posted by fingis

 

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Originally posted by mackdawg19
Level based game = gear dependency. When you put stats on gear that effect a character, of course it effects gameplay.

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Exactly, and in a PvP game min maxing in rampant. My advice is to get in a good twink guild or else be steamrolled.

 

 

uhmmmm, they would level out of the tier and stop steam rolling you after a while.. thats the beuty of this game. I dont have to go kill 50,000 boars to level up and get boar intestines..

this thread is all about low level tiers and how gear affects them, but once they level out of the tier then what? its not like they start at level 1 with that gear and are steam rolling you all.. you have the same oppurtunity to get the same gear WHILE leveling, unlike WoW where you have to stop leveling for weeks to get the same gear as twinks...

no no, the real question (thats already been answered in a post in this thread) is if the level 40 PVP gear is 100x better than the level 30-39 pvp gear... if it is then thats where there is a problem. I for one dont mind getting steam rolled when im level 1, its when im 40 and have to spend months and months to compete like in WoW that I start to not enjoy the game.

(and if  i can pvp to 40, i should have enough RR to buy the 40 gear anyways, without having to farm it with no other rewards)

I don't think I am allowed to answer this question but if somebody could remind me what I can't comment on under the Elder NDA I might be able to give some insight.

The reason like its been said is due to the places where the gear is obtained.  Tier 1 gear is designed for Tier 1, and Tier 2 is designed for Tier 2.

It's the same reason when my Chosen hit level 12 in the middle of an RvR fight I got hit for over 6,000 damage as a chicken.  The rank and gear is clearly designed for each tier.  It's the same reason why WoW twinks use quested gear that is over the normal level caps.  This has already been shown as an oversight.  Expect to fight people in equal gear in the future. =)

 I think they timed the skills such that if your very skilled you can kill people in excellent gear when your Mildly well geared before gear becomes a factor. The less skill you have the more you need good gear. Which frankly goes without saying. I also think they capped the damages and timed the skills such that your skill doesnt have to be awesome or excellent to reach the cap. Basically they made the battlefield mostly even and friendly... Well ok Bloody and deadly but still a fair field hehe

 Mind you all this is my opinion. Personally experience will vary

Originally posted by Whitelight23

Originally posted by jackman1118

Originally posted by fingis

 

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Originally posted by mackdawg19
Level based game = gear dependency. When you put stats on gear that effect a character, of course it effects gameplay.

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Exactly, and in a PvP game min maxing in rampant. My advice is to get in a good twink guild or else be steamrolled.

 

 

uhmmmm, they would level out of the tier and stop steam rolling you after a while.. thats the beuty of this game. I dont have to go kill 50,000 boars to level up and get boar intestines..

this thread is all about low level tiers and how gear affects them, but once they level out of the tier then what? its not like they start at level 1 with that gear and are steam rolling you all.. you have the same oppurtunity to get the same gear WHILE leveling, unlike WoW where you have to stop leveling for weeks to get the same gear as twinks...

no no, the real question (thats already been answered in a post in this thread) is if the level 40 PVP gear is 100x better than the level 30-39 pvp gear... if it is then thats where there is a problem. I for one dont mind getting steam rolled when im level 1, its when im 40 and have to spend months and months to compete like in WoW that I start to not enjoy the game.

(and if  i can pvp to 40, i should have enough RR to buy the 40 gear anyways, without having to farm it with no other rewards)

 

I don't think I am allowed to answer this question but if somebody could remind me what I can't comment on under the Elder NDA I might be able to give some insight.

You cant talk about stuff on the beta fourms or things that have been added to elder server after NDA dorp I think. If you had a experience with it before the NDA drop I think its ok to talk about it as I have seen post of people talking about end game RvR on WHA fourms and they don't talk about city sieges but they talk about fortresses a lot.

on my lvl 11 , RR 9 witch elf i whent to the second zone to buy my next gear for renown rank 8 because i worked hard to get RR8 and should have my next set of gear reguardless of what tier i am in, and yes i did pwn in scenarios after i got the gear my over all damage went from 100's to 250's , i still died the same amount of times but i got alot more kills and had dps off the charts.

The level 39 Renown 22 gear is very nice and cheap for the level. But I have picked up some nice gear from PQs that is better than the renown gear in some aspects. I have a group consistently with a player who also has farmed the hell out of PQs and loaded himself up on purples. We were both the same class and the difference between our stats wasn't overly concerning. Where as I was very high in my primary stat, he had higher overall stats. When we added the total bonus to all abilities across the board he had ranked in with about 60 points above my total with the focus across the board. In Scenarios we would come within 2k to 3k damage of each other as well.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by Emotions

they already said that gear won't be a huge difference so it will be more skill based.

did you actually read my post? tsk tsk tsk, its a bad habit to reply when you dont read it all.

" (9) Renown rank gear
- Unfortunately, a new bug (well an old bug we fixed and then managed to break again) which allowed Rank 10 RR 6 players can go to Tier 2 to get better gear and then come back to Tier 1 and own scenarios. We are currently working on a fix. " -official statement

Shows that gear made all the difference in these scenarios between players who have it, and players who dont.

So obviously players with better gear have the upper hand, regardless of skill.

I understand your point.  Now understand mine please (dont share it but understand it... or try to).

No, gear doesnt make much difference. Altough it does help.  The same as level.  If you read my old post I had said that someone nuking a low and naked enemy, will kill it in few nukes but still it wont be one shot kill (of course, there are exceptions but that are exceptions not common thing like in other games).

Now... why gear is non important in WAR?  First, is easily getable.  Second, all can get similar gear.  Third, you can get ok gear just by RvRing.

The good news... this is no grindfest, so you level enough fast to not feel frustrate days and days because you face higher level.  This is not a raidfest, so you dont need to raid for hours jsut for the chance of getting one piece of gear.

If someone get the best gear in game, get the talisman that helps him/her best, that person will be strong.  But still that person wont go around one nuking enemies of the same lvl in non the best gear in game and/or the perfect talismans.

You may not believe all this (you dont have to share my opinion on this matter) but I do hope you understand my opinion.

People always bitch when they realize that they'll have to do some work to get what they want. This phenomenon is not restricted to MMO's.

Gear always plays some roll in pvp, but mythic usually does a good job of balancing it.  I think gear will give you an edge, but it won't be the deciding factor like in some other games.

Originally posted by fingis

 

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Originally posted by Whitelight23
 In the case that happened this weekend had more to do with Players getting a full level 10 set

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You're wrong White, people in level 6 reknown gear were the twinks who were mowing through us.

The people who managed to get lvl 10 gear were extermely rare, I never saw one.

When I got my lvl 6 reknown gear, my dps tripled. Just my staff alone had more int than my entire pve set i got from quest rewards.

I swear Fingis, I see more nonsensical posts from you than anyone else out there.  Level 10 gear and rr 6 gear are the same damn thing.  Yes people weren't supposed to be able to get this gear, but it was also extremely easy to get.  The people able to get to level 10... was everyone.  I made a black orc at 9pm sunday night and got him to level 10 before going to bed...  I also seriously doubt you had "an entire pve set."  Yeah getting that rr 6 gear made you a ton better, yeah its going away, and maybe, just maybe you should cut down on the tears because you got owned so hard this weekend.

Gotta keep in mind too that RR gear is balanced around RvR brackets, meaning that, when the game goes live, if you are able to get this vastly superior gear, you will also turn into a chicken when entering the zones where it can be terribly useful. Remember that you can get loot from kills in RvR, so it will be next to impossible to have utterly crap gear at any point of the game. Ergo, gear matchups will be fairly even across the board. Of course, sometimes players will have slightly better gear, giving them a slight upper hand, but the magnitude of that advantage will be quite small.

    If people want games where the gear doesnt matter why even bother with MMOs?? Why not just go straight to some FPS game?? Gear has to matter a little or else players lose interest...There has t obe some goal for them to look forward to......

Originally posted by Theocritus

    If people want games where the gear doesnt matter why even bother with MMOs?? Why not just go straight to some FPS game?? Gear has to matter a little or else players lose interest...There has t obe some goal for them to look forward to......

The good old "go play a fps"..  like Potbs there is no real gear advantage, its all about skill and it's a MMO!! 

There is some importance in gear of course but it isn t a HUGE advantage. It helps of course but won t define your charecter like some other games. The thing is so many people hated COX because thre was nothing in regards to charecter advancement outside of levels. I like the feel of my char upgrading itself through gear, a progression. Theres nothing wrong with it and gives people something to strive fr. It is not going to make or break you if your gear is a step down from the next guy, and attaining very good gear isn t too hard.