Originally posted by HensenLiros

WAR copied Tolkien actually.

But Tolkien copied WoW.

Thats an amazing feat, since he died long before development on WoW started.

Originally posted by TalRasha

Originally posted by HensenLiros

WAR copied Tolkien actually.

But Tolkien copied WoW.

 

Thats an amazing feat, since he died long before development on WoW started.

Tolkien is not dead.  He's just time travelling.  That also explains how he could copy WoW.

i am so tired about war vs wow crap.. i don't get it why people make this kind of threads anyway, it is not like somebody is forcing them to go play war instead of wow so what's the point to discredit war and write dumb things like "OMG!!!!111oneoneone WAR is a wow rippoff"

Originally posted by TalRasha

Originally posted by HensenLiros

WAR copied Tolkien actually.

But Tolkien copied WoW.

 

Thats an amazing feat, since he died long before development on WoW started.

 Either it proves my point that WoW fanboys are delusional and twisted or that's the worst sarcasm ive ever encountered,either way 2x fail for HensesLiros.

I heard that Blizzard asked for  the rights to make a Warhammer  mmorpg game, but they dirent give them, soo they builded World of  Warcraft.....

Edited :D

Originally posted by WSIMike

Did WAR copy WoW...

For the hundredth time... No.

Warcraft, the IP, was created from the remains of a deal Blizzard was working out with Games Workshop to make a game based on Warhammer. They changed some details, altered the look a bit and called it Warcraft.

This is explained, and not difficult to find with a simple Google search. As someone mentioned earlier, Blizzard themselves acknowledged this.

The look/style of the artwork in Warhammer - the look of the orcs, goblins, etc. etc. is straight from the Warhammer canon. I remember seeing those orcs and goblins and such years ago when I'd go to comic and gaming stores and see the books.

On all accounts, Warhammer predates Warcraft and this is brought to bear when you get into the "did one MMO copy from the other" bit...

As for whether WAR the MMO is a clone of WoW the MMO... again... No.

For one, there are *too many people* who still seem to believe - all these years later - that somehow Blizzard invented the MMO genre. They did not. Other MMOs had several years' head start on them. I say this because there are some who believe that simply by virtue of being a MMO, it's automatically a WoW clone.

Next, the whole "well their interfaces are the same, so they stole the interface". No, they did not... that basic interface had been around in other games pre-dating WoW as well.. that includes the hotbar(s), mini-map/compass in top-right corner, skill trees, etc. etc. (see Asheron's Call 2, for one example). WoW just happened to be the first MMO most people became familiar with to use it.

The whole "well the graphics styles are too similar... so they clearly stole that from WAR"
Wrong again... Like I said earlier, the art style used is representative of the style used by Games Workshop themself for Warhammer... which Blizzard later came long and basically altered to create Warcraft.

The "WoW clone" thing might hold water with other games... but with Warhammer, it's simply not so. As others have said.. it is quite the other way around.

If not for Warhammer, it's possible Warcraft would have never existed.. at least not as we know it today.

 

See above! I've been saying that, for as long as the "WoW clone war" has been raging

And as a matter of fact today: Andy Chambers (the creative master mind together with Rick Priestley and with Art Direction from John Blanche behind Games Workshop) is today Creative Director of Blizzard.

The connections are many and anyone like Coffee trying to refute this fact are just making themselves look silly.

And ultimately - who cares since we all just want to play good games? When it come to myself I am happy Andy is with Blizzard today since it means that from Diablo III onwards he will put his ideas into the Blizzard products. And that is 100% positive.

Originally posted by Guida

I heard that Blizzard asked for  the rights to make a Warhammer  mmorpg game, but they dirent give them, soo they builded World of  Warcraft..... I dont know if is 100% true : its a rumor

 Err get your facts straight,blizzard tryed to get the rights to the Warhammer and Warhammer 40k universe,they didnt manage to but the games were already in developtment (SC and WC),soo they changed some stuff and renamed soo the lawsuit wouldnt punch them too hard.

 But since Warcraft (RTS) was a ripoff of WAR universe,WoW is a ripoff aswell.Want proof ?

Look at the Blood elf arhitecture in WoW and then in WAR (exactly the same),look at the WoW dwarfs and the WAR dwarfs: they both live in a big underground city,they both like beer/brew ,they both are tech advanced,afaik WAR dwarfs are the only ones portraied (for the first time atleast) ,as technologicly advanced,having guns and copters in a fantasy setting.

Originally posted by magnuts

Originally posted by WSIMike

Did WAR copy WoW...

For the hundredth time... No.

Warcraft, the IP, was created from the remains of a deal Blizzard was working out with Games Workshop to make a game based on Warhammer. They changed some details, altered the look a bit and called it Warcraft.

This is explained, and not difficult to find with a simple Google search. As someone mentioned earlier, Blizzard themselves acknowledged this.

The look/style of the artwork in Warhammer - the look of the orcs, goblins, etc. etc. is straight from the Warhammer canon. I remember seeing those orcs and goblins and such years ago when I'd go to comic and gaming stores and see the books.

On all accounts, Warhammer predates Warcraft and this is brought to bear when you get into the "did one MMO copy from the other" bit...

As for whether WAR the MMO is a clone of WoW the MMO... again... No.

For one, there are *too many people* who still seem to believe - all these years later - that somehow Blizzard invented the MMO genre. They did not. Other MMOs had several years' head start on them. I say this because there are some who believe that simply by virtue of being a MMO, it's automatically a WoW clone.

Next, the whole "well their interfaces are the same, so they stole the interface". No, they did not... that basic interface had been around in other games pre-dating WoW as well.. that includes the hotbar(s), mini-map/compass in top-right corner, skill trees, etc. etc. (see Asheron's Call 2, for one example). WoW just happened to be the first MMO most people became familiar with to use it.

The whole "well the graphics styles are too similar... so they clearly stole that from WAR"
Wrong again... Like I said earlier, the art style used is representative of the style used by Games Workshop themself for Warhammer... which Blizzard later came long and basically altered to create Warcraft.

The "WoW clone" thing might hold water with other games... but with Warhammer, it's simply not so. As others have said.. it is quite the other way around.

If not for Warhammer, it's possible Warcraft would have never existed.. at least not as we know it today.

 

 

See above! I've been saying that, for as long as the "WoW clone war" has been raging

Yes I totally agree that WoW is a stright rip off of Warhammer...

I remember playing this Warhammer MMO that looked exactly like WoW (in many ways) even had abilities that blizzard stole word for word descriptions of... (white lion specficly had one pet ability that blizzard stole word for word to use on their Hunter).

And this was like 30 or 40 years ago!!!

those bastards.

Just in Warcraft 1.. blizzard didn't yet have the ability to exactly copy the textures.. and didn't up till about Warcraft 3.

Hey, in my earlier post when i said warhammer 40k was accused of copying off of starcraft i meant that there is a rumour  that in retaliation of blizzard creating warcraft warhammer 40k stole the zerg hydralisk and created the tyranid ravener.

Originally posted by Sikhander

And as a matter of fact today: Andy Chambers (the creative master mind together with Rick Priestley and with Art Direction from John Blanche behind Games Workshop) is today Creative Direction of Blizzard.

The connections are many and anyone like Coffee trying to refute this fact are just making themselves look silly.

And ultimately - who cares since we all just want to play good games? When it come to myself I am happy Andy is with Blizzard today since it means that from Diablo III onwards he will put his ideas into the Blizzard products. And that is 100% positive.

I am refuting the whole "Blizzard had a deal with Gameswork shop" "Gameswork shop sued blizzard" "Starcraft was ment to be a WH40k game".. all those tall tales which dont have a shred of evidence anywhere. Yet people still think its the gospel truth. now unless you can provide evidence of the facts you say then your the one looking silly.
 

And Andy chambers is working on Starcraft 2. not WoW.

Originally posted by demolishIX

Originally posted by Guida

I heard that Blizzard asked for  the rights to make a Warhammer  mmorpg game, but they dirent give them, soo they builded World of  Warcraft..... I dont know if is 100% true : its a rumor

 

 Err get your facts straight,blizzard tryed to get the rights to the Warhammer and Warhammer 40k universe,they didnt manage to but the games were already in developtment (SC and WC),soo they changed some stuff and renamed soo the lawsuit wouldnt punch them too hard.

 But since Warcraft (RTS) was a ripoff of WAR universe,WoW is a ripoff aswell.Want proof ?

Look at the Blood elf arhitecture in WoW and then in WAR (exactly the same),look at the WoW dwarfs and the WAR dwarfs: they both live in a big underground city,they both like beer/brew ,they both are tech advanced,afaik WAR dwarfs are the only ones portraied (for the first time atleast) ,as technologicly advanced,having guns and copters in a fantasy setting.

Thats not proof.. i want a link to an artical or some archived news from the time. saying "Blizzard approched GW".. cant do that.. try again. and BTW WC was released 1994 and SC in 1998 they were not in development at the time.

Originally posted by demolishIX

Originally posted by Guida

I heard that Blizzard asked for  the rights to make a Warhammer  mmorpg game, but they dirent give them, soo they builded World of  Warcraft..... I dont know if is 100% true : its a rumor

 

 Err get your facts straight,blizzard tryed to get the rights to the Warhammer and Warhammer 40k universe,they didnt manage to but the games were already in developtment (SC and WC),soo they changed some stuff and renamed soo the lawsuit wouldnt punch them too hard.

 But since Warcraft (RTS) was a ripoff of WAR universe,WoW is a ripoff aswell.Want proof ?

Look at the Blood elf arhitecture in WoW and then in WAR (exactly the same),look at the WoW dwarfs and the WAR dwarfs: they both live in a big underground city,they both like beer/brew ,they both are tech advanced,afaik WAR dwarfs are the only ones portraied (for the first time atleast) ,as technologicly advanced,having guns and copters in a fantasy setting.

Well, Who Invented Dwarfs? Games Workshop? NO lol soo its the profile of a dwarf, They like beer/brew etc etc "what about the gnomes etc etc"

Here's how it breaks down in a nutshell.

1.  Germanic mythology is created in ancient times.

2.  Tolkien likes it, and decides to make up some awesome fictional stories based on some of it, making up the Lord of the Rings books.

3.  Some guys in Britain are running a business bringing D&D over from America, so that British geeks could enjoy it.  Then they get an idea: take some J. R. R. Tolkien, a little Michael Moorcock, and some Rob E. Howard, and make a gritty, dark fantasy wargame.  Warhammer Fantasy is born.

4.  Blizzard releases the first Warcraft in 1994.  Gamers who have actually played something that isn't plugged into a computer or console note that it looks a bit like Warhammer Fantasy artwork, shrug, and start playing.

5.  World of Warcraft goes into development around 2001.

6.  Mid 2004, Games Workshop announces that their MMO Warhammer game is getting canned.  In late 2004, the license for a Warhammer MMO becomes available, around the same time that World of Warcraft goes online.

7.  Early in 2005, Mythic picks up the Warhammer license.

speaking of ideas being used over and over
 
clockwork gnomes
Everquest had them back in 1999

and now WOTLK will be introducing their own version of a clockwork gnome
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Originally posted by demolishIX

Originally posted by TalRasha

Originally posted by HensenLiros

WAR copied Tolkien actually.

But Tolkien copied WoW.

 

Thats an amazing feat, since he died long before development on WoW started.

 

 Either it proves my point that WoW fanboys are delusional and twisted or that's the worst sarcasm ive ever encountered,either way 2x fail for HensesLiros.

If you checked almost any post of my post history you would ignore the first possibility there. Secondly, it's just the type of sarcasm that doesn't appeal to your british humor, and even if it did, the sarcasm has a history behind (an user said that on a "WAR is a WoW-clone" topic some weeks/months ago, sorry if you didn't catch that), so it wasn't completely directed to you. If you want nice sarcasm just google "british sarcasm fun" and you'll be more than happy, I bet.

Cheers.