Originally posted by COORS

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by COORS

Well, they may actually produce the video, I won't deny that possibility.

However, very little of what Tasos has ever said has been carried out. Just a couple months ago he stated there would be two or more articles in MAJOR gaming magazines in August. I've yet to see those articles in ANY major magazine. Where are they?

See what I mean. Tasos says lots of stuff. He promises everything IS coming SOON! But... Soon never seems to come. It is always postponed a little bit longer for one reason or another.

Very convenient to be able to make promises time and time again, and have fans just go along without question.

Well... In my opinion, the time has finally come to produce something.

No more.... just a while longer... in a few weeks... months... years...

You get the idea.

 

he said there coming out in august no he didnt

he said hell tells us when they come out.

quote

*We've started collecting in-game footage for a video update which is taking a while being low in the immediate priorities list, but moving along. There have been a couple of magazine interviews; we’ll let you know which ones when they come out. There are a couple of requests for online interviews which we’re doing as well. *
 

and what promises have taso broke?

all i remember is them giving us tmi on there plans and there plans get changed

 

Very convenient to constantly state your plans and then constantly change them. When do we actually get to the end here?

He said that MONTHS ago. So, where are the magazine interviews? You certainly aren't gonna count the Greek magazine's reporting about the Greek gaming conference? That's very old news.

My point is this. He eluded to having given magazine interviews. Most people would assume them to be with major magazines, by the way he spoke.

Where are they?

That's my point. No matter what he says nothing ever happens, and you just keep on defending his every word and believing it as gospel.

i dont beleive him until i see the magazines

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

A lot of us would like to see Darkfall (or a game with many of its theoretical features) happen; we've just grown ... extremely skeptical.

 

The reason we give you a hard time is because we see a certain blindness in the Darkfall loyalists. We see that your expectations have lowered to the point where you wait for months and years for tiny bits of information, bits which usually end up being just words.

 

The latest issue of the video is a good microcosm for the whole affair. Everyone knows it's easy to take video and edit it. Any idiot can get Fraps, Virtualdub and Audacity for free and start rolling. All they would have to do is put a big headline saying "THIS IS RAW GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE" and they wouldn't even have to bother with editing.

 

Nobody expects some cinematic-quality trailer; what people DO expect is some kind of proof of life. That the DF guys hem and haw and delay and promise for months over such a simple thing says a lot.

 

 

there perfectinist
 

What a stupid fucking reply to a VERY valid point.   I'm anxious for this video, but not enough so to lose my senses, downtoearth (your name should be changed to "outinspace").  Honestly, for your name, your posts are always a contradiction.  You're by far one of the most thoughtless dolts on these forums.  I don't believe you've ever made a single, solidified point in all 200+ posts.  You're an utter waste of time
 

Joker, well said.  Adventurine's pulling some stupid shit right now, for whatever reasons.  It sure isn't helping the people sitting fence.  It's actually making me play more Mount & Blade, trying to gain back some amount of fun from playing games.  MMOs are so bland, somewhat like "outinspace".

i was just saying ther perfectinist thats all no reason to get angry even that womans gamers said so

his point is valid but what mmo company does that?

and do ic are if i ever made perfect sense or made perfect valid points most of you guys dont either

Originally posted by downtoearth

his point is valid but what mmo company does that?

A company whose promised MMO is widely considered vaporware and/or a scam would want to do that. They'd want to give more solid proof that they have an actual game, or something approaching one. They'd want to generate good press and good word of mouth. They'd want to generate some buzz and attract investors and publishers.

They'd want not to be the running joke of the MMO community.

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

Originally posted by downtoearth

his point is valid but what mmo company does that?

 

A company whose promised MMO is widely considered vaporware and/or a scam would want to do that. They'd want to give more solid proof that they have an actual game, or something approaching one. They'd want to generate good press and good word of mouth. They'd want to generate some buzz and attract investors and publishers.

 

They'd want not to be the running joke of the MMO community.

it woudnt really matter if thats the case  sorry just give it up

Please, please let the vid link to a Rick Roll.

this friday or shortly after, aka 2009.

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Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

Originally posted by downtoearth

his point is valid but what mmo company does that?

 

A company whose promised MMO is widely considered vaporware and/or a scam would want to do that. They'd want to give more solid proof that they have an actual game, or something approaching one. They'd want to generate good press and good word of mouth. They'd want to generate some buzz and attract investors and publishers.

 

They'd want not to be the running joke of the MMO community.

You are wrong and you don't even realise why, which is fun for those of us in the know.

If this site is an indicator of an MMO community then youre wrong the community are playing MMOs not trolling here.

They have nothing to prove, you may not like that response but thats where we are at.

They expect to release a more comprehensive video, and expect to release it in August if other development priorities don't take presidence.  They have investors and a publisher and expect to release end of 2008 if again the development cycle allows. But that is what they plan to do.

Now please note it is what the plan and hope to do read these words let them sink in ... and then continue to troll because you post is just appauling . What I have stated is where DF is at now. 

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by COORS

Well, they may actually produce the video, I won't deny that possibility.

However, very little of what Tasos has ever said has been carried out. Just a couple months ago he stated there would be two or more articles in MAJOR gaming magazines in August. I've yet to see those articles in ANY major magazine. Where are they?

See what I mean. Tasos says lots of stuff. He promises everything IS coming SOON! But... Soon never seems to come. It is always postponed a little bit longer for one reason or another.

Very convenient to be able to make promises time and time again, and have fans just go along without question.

Well... In my opinion, the time has finally come to produce something.

No more.... just a while longer... in a few weeks... months... years...

You get the idea.

 

he said there coming out in august no he didnt

he said hell tells us when they come out.

quote

*We've started collecting in-game footage for a video update which is taking a while being low in the immediate priorities list, but moving along. There have been a couple of magazine interviews; we’ll let you know which ones when they come out. There are a couple of requests for online interviews which we’re doing as well. *
 

and what promises have taso broke?

all i remember is them giving us tmi on there plans and there plans get changed

I guess my confusion is that I wasn't waiting for 7 years for this and have just begun hearing the whispers about it.  Why the 'incognito' response?  Why tell us which mags once they've already been published?  Why not advertise?  Why not say, WOW, we got us an interview with wii magazine?  Where's the glamour or pats on the back if you keep your gem hidden from the world..who will appreciate you then? Who will appreciate 'it'?

In all my years of gaming...from Table Top to systems to PC....there has never been a release where someone just popped out and said...HEY...we've kept it under wraps for 10 years and feel we should now share it with you all.  There has been literature and artwork founded after a long decade rest...but not a game...especially not a MMO. 

I guess I just don't understand how this has seemingly grabbed the attention of a small group of gamers and continued to live within their hearts.  I don't understand it.....so......

If any of you DarkFall fans cares to answer....I don't expect flames...but if they happen to sneak in through the open window...I'll be sure to have a glass of water in-hand.

Originally posted by Isane

They expect to .... release a more comprehensive video,

and expect to.... release it in August if other development priorities don't take presidence.   and

expect to...  release end of 2008

if again.... the development cycle allows.

that is what they.... plan..... to do.

Now please note it is what the plan ........

 

This is the point. Expect, expect, plan, expect, if, plan, if, blah blah etc.

It's always words. They do have something to prove - that the game exists.

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

Originally posted by Isane

They expect to .... release a more comprehensive video,

and expect to.... release it in August if other development priorities don't take presidence.   and

expect to...  release end of 2008

if again.... the development cycle allows.

that is what they.... plan..... to do.

Now please note it is what the plan ........

 

 

This is the point. Expect, expect, plan, expect, if, plan, if, blah blah etc.

 

It's always words. They do have something to prove - that the game exists.

No that is the reality of development,. They do not have to prove anything to anyone other than people who are investing money ion them at the moment. They are in a dev cycle. The current market is begging for a game like this they know it and so do we.

You really don't understand they do not have to prove anything. I will say it agaion they do not have to prove anything.

If that is upseting then hard luck but it is reality.

Now you can discuss the consequences of this approach, they only have to do what they think is right and that is what they are doing.

Originally posted by tp1hobss

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by COORS

Well, they may actually produce the video, I won't deny that possibility.

However, very little of what Tasos has ever said has been carried out. Just a couple months ago he stated there would be two or more articles in MAJOR gaming magazines in August. I've yet to see those articles in ANY major magazine. Where are they?

See what I mean. Tasos says lots of stuff. He promises everything IS coming SOON! But... Soon never seems to come. It is always postponed a little bit longer for one reason or another.

Very convenient to be able to make promises time and time again, and have fans just go along without question.

Well... In my opinion, the time has finally come to produce something.

No more.... just a while longer... in a few weeks... months... years...

You get the idea.

 

he said there coming out in august no he didnt

he said hell tells us when they come out.

quote

*We've started collecting in-game footage for a video update which is taking a while being low in the immediate priorities list, but moving along. There have been a couple of magazine interviews; we’ll let you know which ones when they come out. There are a couple of requests for online interviews which we’re doing as well. *
 

and what promises have taso broke?

all i remember is them giving us tmi on there plans and there plans get changed

 

I guess my confusion is that I wasn't waiting for 7 years for this and have just begun hearing the whispers about it.  Why the 'incognito' response?  Why tell us which mags once they've already been published?  Why not advertise?  Why not say, WOW, we got us an interview with wii magazine?  Where's the glamour or pats on the back if you keep your gem hidden from the world..who will appreciate you then? Who will appreciate 'it'?

In all my years of gaming...from Table Top to systems to PC....there has never been a release where someone just popped out and said...HEY...we've kept it under wraps for 10 years and feel we should now share it with you all.  There has been literature and artwork founded after a long decade rest...but not a game...especially not a MMO. 

I guess I just don't understand how this has seemingly grabbed the attention of a small group of gamers and continued to live within their hearts.  I don't understand it.....so......

If any of you DarkFall fans cares to answer....I don't expect flames...but if they happen to sneak in through the open window...I'll be sure to have a glass of water in-hand.

Tasos was very consistent with what he said and at no point contradicted himself... Like those of us who have read his posts and know the above contradictions are just made up and laughable. Please try harder to troll.

It's supposedly a long video that shows off the game entirely, it's next week not this frieday like everyone thinks.

a "few weeks" turned into a few months.  

Originally posted by SpungeX

a "few weeks" turned into a few months.  

yea it was never promised for a few weeks tho and tasos said it was takign them longer than expected because its not high piroity so who who cares as long as the vid comes out

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by SpungeX

a "few weeks" turned into a few months.  

 

yea it was never promised for a few weeks tho and tasos said it was takign them longer than expected because its not high piroity so who who cares as long as the vid comes out

I would say it should be top priority.

Once you get video's out there, you can let the fans and the websites do their thing with it while you go back to developing the game. It can only ever be a bad thing if the video looks crap, otherwise every second it's available is another second someone might watch it and it builds interest in the game.

If you don't promote a game right, it'll fail. Darkfall is a joke now in mmorpg terms, 7 years and change for development of a game which no-one knows for sure actually exists. Prove it exists, silence everyone and put out the video, start the beta, do something right for a change.

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by tp1hobss

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by COORS

Well, they may actually produce the video, I won't deny that possibility.

However, very little of what Tasos has ever said has been carried out. Just a couple months ago he stated there would be two or more articles in MAJOR gaming magazines in August. I've yet to see those articles in ANY major magazine. Where are they?

See what I mean. Tasos says lots of stuff. He promises everything IS coming SOON! But... Soon never seems to come. It is always postponed a little bit longer for one reason or another.

Very convenient to be able to make promises time and time again, and have fans just go along without question.

Well... In my opinion, the time has finally come to produce something.

No more.... just a while longer... in a few weeks... months... years...

You get the idea.

 

he said there coming out in august no he didnt

he said hell tells us when they come out.

quote

*We've started collecting in-game footage for a video update which is taking a while being low in the immediate priorities list, but moving along. There have been a couple of magazine interviews; we’ll let you know which ones when they come out. There are a couple of requests for online interviews which we’re doing as well. *
 

and what promises have taso broke?

all i remember is them giving us tmi on there plans and there plans get changed

 

I guess my confusion is that I wasn't waiting for 7 years for this and have just begun hearing the whispers about it.  Why the 'incognito' response?  Why tell us which mags once they've already been published?  Why not advertise?  Why not say, WOW, we got us an interview with wii magazine?  Where's the glamour or pats on the back if you keep your gem hidden from the world..who will appreciate you then? Who will appreciate 'it'?

In all my years of gaming...from Table Top to systems to PC....there has never been a release where someone just popped out and said...HEY...we've kept it under wraps for 10 years and feel we should now share it with you all.  There has been literature and artwork founded after a long decade rest...but not a game...especially not a MMO. 

I guess I just don't understand how this has seemingly grabbed the attention of a small group of gamers and continued to live within their hearts.  I don't understand it.....so......

If any of you DarkFall fans cares to answer....I don't expect flames...but if they happen to sneak in through the open window...I'll be sure to have a glass of water in-hand.

 

Tasos was very consistent with what he said and at no point contradicted himself... Like those of us who have read his posts and know the above contradictions are just made up and laughable. Please try harder to troll.

I wasn't trolling and if I had an intent to do so, difficulty wouldn't have anything to do with it.
 

I'd say people still hold hopes for the game because of its promised feature list and design philosophy. That said, after this long and this much indication that it's vaporware, the only people who still really strongly support the game's existence (let alone quality) amount to a tiny handful of people who are in "Baghdad Bob" mode of total denial and spin.

Edit: I also agree with a point you raise which hasn't been discussed much that I've seen. That is the obsolescence factor. With software, you can't just develop and develop forever and keep making it better. As time passes your architecture becomes obsolete.

Innovations come storming along so fast in ANY software that you can easily end up in the "Daikatana" cycle if you take too long. For those unaware of that disastrous game, one of its major problems was in taking so long to complete that they ended up changing engines and rewriting the entire game (twice, I think) just to keep up with games that were releasing as the years went by.

Every rewriting just adds more delays as you undo work you already did, and the cycle of falling behind continues. Engines don't have a very long life in the gaming world. These days an engine starts to run out of steam within 5 years, easily. And the Darkfall guys wrote their entire engine from scratch, they claim....

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

I'd say people still hold hopes for the game because of its promised feature list and design philosophy. That said, after this long and this much indication that it's vaporware, the only people who still really strongly support the game's existence (let alone quality) amount to a tiny handful of people who are in "Baghdad Bob" mode of total denial and spin.

 

Edit: I also agree with a point you raise which hasn't been discussed much that I've seen. That is the obsolescence factor. With software, you can't just develop and develop forever and keep making it better. As time passes your architecture becomes obsolete.

Innovations come storming along so fast in ANY software that you can easily end up in the "Daikatana" cycle if you take too long. For those unaware of that disastrous game, one of its major problems was in taking so long to complete that they ended up changing engines and rewriting the entire game (twice, I think) just to keep up with games that were releasing as the years went by.

 

Every rewriting just adds more delays as you undo work you already did, and the cycle of falling behind continues. Engines don't have a very long life in the gaming world. These days an engine starts to run out of steam within 5 years, easily. And the Darkfall guys wrote their entire engine from scratch, they claim....

alot more than you think

Here's my prediction from Aug. 4 of this month: (see thread Will August be Sexy Time for DF?)

Tasos will provide some lame excuse as to why the video can't be released this month but will nevertheless make new claims that the game is almost ready for release and should be available by year's end. Fanboys will lap it up and cheer. Haters will be more convinced than ever. Forum wars will continue. Avertine will file for bankruptcy in December.

Just a couple more days...

Originally posted by downtoearth

 

alot more than you think

You misunderstand me a bit. I consider myself a sort of "supporter" of this game. In theory, anyway. I love the list of features they promise, and the promised design philosophies of open pvp, first-person perspective, and removal of a lot of the dumbing-down features common in MMOs now.

The problem is that I've never seen anything BUT promises. I see no evidence that they have an actual game to play, and if they do, that it's anything close to being ready for mass play or that it will contain the features they claim.

I also remain extremely skeptical about an engine written from scratch starting 5 years ago - an engine nobody has ever seen - being viable.

We shall see.