In war you can pvp all day and lvl. in wow if your in battlegrounds you are not lvling. Plus war pays homage to pvpers by giving them great gear. In wow pvp gives you good but not the best gear.

Heck, I still CODE for a MUD!! It's active (for a mud) with 300-400 players. Hah, yes, I know, such large numbers compared to today's MMOs. But, like I said, for a MUD, it's good.

I do think that we have superior control over the gameplay, since we don't have graphical limitations to deal with. It's just that now, players want graphics and we can't deliver, no matter how hard we try to compensate with a better experience. Ah well... The era must end some time.

Originally posted by Onecrazyguy

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by Onecrazyguy

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by tuppe99

I agree that it will be a success. But it will not keep it's subs. There will be a dedicated group of PvPers that will keep WAR going for many years and expansions will also improve it, but to what extend we will have to wait and see.

I believe subs will follow the same trend as AoC but with a much larger player base.

 

AOC had allot of problems. thats why the sub number went down so quick,

WAR will do well... probably take place in the number 2 spot with a stable 500k-800k+ subs .

 

It won't be #2 with only 800k subs... Guild Wars has that beat.

 

how do you compare a f2p to a p2p?

 

GW is not f2p at least last time I checked. Their business model is you pay for every expansion but no monthly fee. The f2p games have no fee at all for basic game play.

 

I've been a GW player for nearly four years now (has it really been that long?). I love the game, but have just gotten bored with it currently. Though, as it doesn't have a sub attached to it, my account is still active and played on occasion.

I'm not a heavy PvP player, but I love a lot of the concepts that the GW team brought into their game. The top teams' ability to compliment eachother in choices of skills/spells is fantastic. It allows for some really creative and crazy builds. Of course, this relies on the fact that one can only choose 8 (of hundreds) skills to take into battle at any one time. This was probably one of the smartest decisions about the game. I wish it could be similarly implemented into other MMOs, but I don't think that's quite feasible.

I'm looking forward to trying WAR's PvP incarnation to see if it finally fits me. WoW's doesn't, and GW's is somewhat lacking in that it's consistently so orgranized. You cannot randomly encounter PvP outside the specific arenas.

I just hope that WAR combines some of the intense strategic elements present in GW with the open MMO-ness of other games in the genre.

*crosses fingers*

Originally posted by tuppe99

Almost all the other features of WoW seem to be superior to WAR's:

1.) Almost open world, with flying mounts where I can land wherever I want in Outland (and Northrend from level 77)

And ONLY in Outland and a few other expansion zones. They don't work in zones before that.

2.) Amazing PvE that is going to get a huge boost in WOTLK

Not all that amazing. Good yes, but I have played other games that are comparable or better.

3.) An economy with an AH

There is no economy in WOW except for a few basic components. Other games, like EQ2 and even LOTRO have real economies. WOW's economy is a joke compared to almost any other major MMO. War may not be any better, but it cannot be much worse. And quite honestly, the AH concept and implentation sucks, and is one major reason why the economy sucks. Too much hassle to sell anything.

4.) A  huge world comparing to other MMOs

Compared to SOME other MMO.

5.) Professions that finally became meaningful

When will that happen? I think that was supposed to happen in 2.3? Well maybe next expansion. When fishing is the most exciting tradeskill in a game, you have a problem.

 

Why, because WAR will provide WOW players a much improved pvp system they been looking for. WOW miserabley fails at pvp. WOW does have better pve but in time I would imagine pve can do well in WAR when more content gets added over a period of time.

Originally posted by ulberon

Also, crafting is much more interesting and detailed than in wow.

Crafting in Tetris or Hello Kitty is more detailed and interesting than WOW, so not sure that is much of a comparison :D

  LOL  why dont all the wow fanbois who dont like war, just give up and leave and go back to wow.  Let the people who want to try war try it for themselves, personally i saw live videos from a guildmate and i love the game play and the graphics.  Let people do what they want to do with their own money.

And the hate goes on. 

If you'll all remember (and let's face it, most of you probably weren't even aware of what MMOs were back then), WoW took all kinds of heat before it's launch because it did nothing new or innovative.  WoW was successful because it took the best of all the other games from the time and did it better.  Through the beta, WAR has struck me as following this ilk.  There are a lot of people on the fence about playing WAR because everyone that has played the game has also done a poor job of explaining why it's so good (myself included).  WAR isn't the most innovative game out there, but it emulates the best and does everything better.  WAR will draw crowds. $.02

I already left WoW a while ago , dont even need WAR to make me stop playing this boring game .

Originally posted by jusagamfrek

And the hate goes on. 

If you'll all remember (and let's face it, most of you probably weren't even aware of what MMOs were back then), WoW took all kinds of heat before it's launch because it did nothing new or innovative.  WoW was successful because it took the best of all the other games from the time and did it better.  Through the beta, WAR has struck me as following this ilk.  There are a lot of people on the fence about playing WAR because everyone that has played the game has also done a poor job of explaining why it's so good (myself included).  WAR isn't the most innovative game out there, but it emulates the best and does everything better.  WAR will draw crowds. $.02

WoW did a good job of PvE but a beyond horrible job of PvP.  It never even came close to the DAOC system.

Originally posted by jusagamfrek

And the hate goes on. 

If you'll all remember (and let's face it, most of you probably weren't even aware of what MMOs were back then), WoW took all kinds of heat before it's launch because it did nothing new or innovative.  WoW was successful because it took the best of all the other games from the time and did it better.  Through the beta, WAR has struck me as following this ilk.  There are a lot of people on the fence about playing WAR because everyone that has played the game has also done a poor job of explaining why it's so good (myself included).  WAR isn't the most innovative game out there, but it emulates the best and does everything better.  WAR will draw crowds. $.02

Blizzard is notorious for capitalizing on other peoples ideas, there was a thread around here somewhere that lists every single Blizzard game and where they stole the ideas from. Food for thought.

why should anyone leave a game for another game, when the 2 games is so immensly different?

isnt it really possible to play them both? or is everyone extremly primitive, and can eather like metal or techno music, but not both? makes 0 sence.

im gonna play them both, no reason to leave something else, if you like what you got.

Originally posted by Hoobla.Dan

Funny enough, one of the things I'm most looking forward to in WAR is the Tome of Knowledge. I'm really hoping that it's totally awesome.

WotLK has achievements coming up, but I don't think it's the same.

Same here about Tome Of Knowledge, I really enjoyed the brief moment I could spend in CB and ToK really stood out for me aswell the humor involved thru out the game, AND.......i felt WAR had a much darker look where WOW looks more fluffy sort of speak ( in hopes people understand what I meant with this)

one good reason, just visit the green skins areas and talk to the NPCs.

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by jusagamfrek

And the hate goes on. 

If you'll all remember (and let's face it, most of you probably weren't even aware of what MMOs were back then), WoW took all kinds of heat before it's launch because it did nothing new or innovative.  WoW was successful because it took the best of all the other games from the time and did it better.  Through the beta, WAR has struck me as following this ilk.  There are a lot of people on the fence about playing WAR because everyone that has played the game has also done a poor job of explaining why it's so good (myself included).  WAR isn't the most innovative game out there, but it emulates the best and does everything better.  WAR will draw crowds. $.02

 

Blizzard is notorious for capitalizing on other peoples ideas, there was a thread around here somewhere that lists every single Blizzard game and where they stole the ideas from. Food for thought.

Stole? How uninformed some people are. You do realise Blizzard still pays money to Games Workshop for a number of copyrights?

And technically, if its not copyrighted, there can be no stealing. Which is why, I guess, Mythic actually copyrighted the Public Quest feature. Smart gits!

And just for habit: Copyright!

Originally posted by Krazco

why should anyone leave a game for another game, when the 2 games is so immensly different?

isnt it really possible to play them both? or is everyone extremly primitive, and can eather like metal or techno music, but not both? makes 0 sence.

im gonna play them both, no reason to leave something else, if you like what you got.

QFT....

and the fact that this simple common sense point seems to somehow go over the heads of most people on these WoW "versus" WAR forums.

Congratulations on your reasoning skills.     That seems a rare thing.  I suppose it's because there is no world map to show anyone where to go "skill up" these elusive and exotic skills.

I personally left WoW a month or so after BC came out.  The game just alienated all the players that worked hard to get their gear in raids and what not.  After getting my last piece of Tier 2, I wait to hear about the expansion only to discover Blizzard is catering to all the whiners that complain about not being able to raid.  So to fix it all?  Gimp everyone by implementing a new system which everyone got used to for a couple of years and make alot of my gear pretty lame.  Epics replaced by greens and so on and so forth.  I didn't feel like doing all that over again.  What's the point?  The next expansion is just going to screw over everything this expansion established.  It just wasn't the same game anymore.  That and the playerbase was bat shit retarded. 

Originally posted by tuppe99

I know, you are all getting tired of these WAR vs WoW posts, but really, even though I am getting tired of WoW myself, I still have not seen anything to suggest that WAR will be a step up from WoW. Except for RvR.

Almost all the other features of WoW seem to be superior to WAR's:

1.) Almost open world, with flying mounts where I can land wherever I want in Outland (and Northrend from level 77)

2.) Amazing PvE that is going to get a huge boost in WOTLK

3.) An economy with an AH

4.) A  huge world comparing to other MMOs

5.) Professions that finally became meaningful

In WAR's favour: PvP and that is about it.

Or are there more WAR features that will blow WoW out of the water that I don't know about? (not in the beta, only going on what I read here).

Please understand that I am not a WoW fanboy, in fact I desperately want to leave it for a superior MMO. Just have not seen one yet.

Do you have to have a low IQ level to post topics in this forum?

Originally posted by tuppe99

I know, you are all getting tired of these WAR vs WoW posts, but really, even though I am getting tired of WoW myself, I still have not seen anything to suggest that WAR will be a step up from WoW. Except for RvR.

Almost all the other features of WoW seem to be superior to WAR's:

1.) Almost open world, with flying mounts where I can land wherever I want in Outland (and Northrend from level 77)

2.) Amazing PvE that is going to get a huge boost in WOTLK

3.) An economy with an AH

4.) A  huge world comparing to other MMOs

5.) Professions that finally became meaningful

In WAR's favour: PvP and that is about it.

Or are there more WAR features that will blow WoW out of the water that I don't know about? (not in the beta, only going on what I read here).

Please understand that I am not a WoW fanboy, in fact I desperately want to leave it for a superior MMO. Just have not seen one yet.

no im not getting tired of war vs wow posts because i enjoy making you look like a sped.

1) who gives a damn how great the world is when there's nothing to do

2) ya the PvE is great if you actually like PvE. so basically you hate it or you are legally retarded with an IQ of 80.

3) hurray for an economy. i've always wanted to go pick flowers and sell them to other people

4) re-read number one if you have the memory span of a fish (good idea for the OP)

5) whoa dude. meaningful professions? by that do you happen to mean a useless, expensive piece of gear that can get replaced by a day of PvE or PvP?

"in war's favor: PvP and that's about it" can be re-read as "in war's favor: the entire game", because virtually the whole selling point for the game is PvP/

Originally posted by tuppe99

I know, you are all getting tired of these WAR vs WoW posts, but really, even though I am getting tired of WoW myself, I still have not seen anything to suggest that WAR will be a step up from WoW. Except for RvR.

Almost all the other features of WoW seem to be superior to WAR's:

1.) Almost open world, with flying mounts where I can land wherever I want in Outland (and Northrend from level 77)

2.) Amazing PvE that is going to get a huge boost in WOTLK

3.) An economy with an AH

4.) A  huge world comparing to other MMOs

5.) Professions that finally became meaningful

In WAR's favour: PvP and that is about it.

Or are there more WAR features that will blow WoW out of the water that I don't know about? (not in the beta, only going on what I read here).

Please understand that I am not a WoW fanboy, in fact I desperately want to leave it for a superior MMO. Just have not seen one yet.

Just one sentence:

Real RVR for every level. With benefits for all levels and all levels participate. Starting level 1 yes.